Drue Taylor
Day 3 · September 10, 2026 · 0:28:36
Key points Drue Taylor is a 36-year-old former power yoga instructor and massage therapist from Alberta who testified virtually because travel could leave her bedbound. She says she was pro-vaccine and received her first Moderna dose in April 2021, developing racing heart, dizziness, and sinus tachycardia within hours. She testifies she faced pressure from Alberta Health Services and a cardiologist to take a second dose despite her severe symptoms. She says her symptoms were amplified after the second dose, causing fainting, vomiting, and being bedbound for over a year. She recounts being diagnosed by Dr. Raj with POTS, vasovagal syncope, and suspected mast cell activation syndrome, all attributed to the vaccines. She says she now faints one to three times a week, requires heavy medication, compression, and 10,000-14,000 mg of sodium daily. She describes a frustrating vaccine injury program experience with a $45,000 payout under appeal, and is launching a compression clothing line.
Speaker 1
0:01 So our next witness is going to be a virtual witness, Drew Taylor. 0:07 Drew, can you hear me? Speaker 2
0:10 Yeah, I can. 0:10 Can you hear me? Speaker 1
0:11 Yes, we can hear you. 0:12 So that's a very good start. 0:14 Do you have a Bible there? 0:17 Okay, good. 0:18 So put that in your right hand. 0:20 Drew Taylor, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? 0:26 So help you God. Speaker 1
0:30 Now, 0:31 I just want to get some things out of the way. 0:34 So you've been verified as vaccine injured and even the vaccine injury support program agrees that you're vaccine injured. 0:42 Is that right? Speaker 1
0:45 And you did not have COVID until years after what we're going to talk about. 0:52 And you wanted to come here in person. 0:54 We scheduled you to come here in person, but actually your doctor, Dr. Ahmed, sent me a letter saying, 1:02 dated August 29th, 2026, explaining that literally it was not a good idea medically. 1:10 And the concern is you could be in bed for weeks over this or even longer. 1:19 It could take such a physical toll on you to travel from Alberta to here. Speaker 2
1:25 Yeah, I actually haven't been able to fly or travel really at all since becoming injured. 1:31 Any disruption to my very, like, normal could absolutely put me back into a serious flare where I'm bedbound for weeks to months, unable to do anything except just survive. Speaker 1
1:44 Yeah, and I know from speaking with you that you were in tears over this. 1:49 I want to introduce you to the inquiry. 1:51 You were 36 years. 1:53 You have two kids, Autumn and Liam, and your husband, Mike Scuba. 1:59 You were a yoga instructor, and in fact, you were what was called a power yoga instructor, which is, most people can't even do that. 2:10 You were very fit, you were very active. 2:13 You were a professional massage therapist for both humans and horses, and you would do five to eight 2:21 clients a day extremely healthy. 2:26 And then you had a journey with the vaccines that have changed that. 2:36 Can you share with us your journey? 2:38 My understanding is on April 24th, 2001, it started with the Moderna vaccine. Speaker 2
2:46 Sure. 2:48 I was actually very pro-vaccine. 2:51 I was excited to get this. 2:53 I fully thought it was safe and effective as the government had said it was. 2:59 So I was ahead of my age group to get this first vaccination because I was part of the healthcare system and I did have patients that I was seeing and treating. 3:08 So I wanted to be safe for them. 3:11 And I do regret, obviously. 3:14 But after the first... 3:17 vaccination within hours, I felt like my heart was going to flip or burst out of my chest. 3:24 I couldn't sit up without a massive dizzy rush. 3:28 I had new pain in my like neck and head. 3:32 I could hear my heart rate in my like, I could hear my heart rate. 3:36 It was beating in my neck. 3:38 I went to the ER and they caught sinus tachycardia when I was standing. 3:42 It was about 130 just standing and 3:46 compared to a normal one while I was sitting. 3:49 And after that, they did a bunch of tests. 3:55 Everything came back normal. 3:56 They did an echo, they did a heart monitor, and everything was fairly normal. 4:01 And I was waiting for Dr. G, the Royal Alec. 4:04 He's a cardiologist. 4:06 He had seen me and said that he thought that, you know, this sounds like POTS. 4:10 At that point, I was having like 4:13 I don't know, probably 30 to 50 plus symptoms. 4:16 And directly after the vaccine, it took me about a month to be able to have that appointment, maybe a little bit longer before I saw Dr. G. And within that time, I wasn't working. 4:27 I was sweating, like not just sweating, like a little bit, like 4:31 If you've ever gone in, let's say, into a hot yoga room and you come out and you're just drenched. 4:37 I was drenched just sitting up and getting up and moving around my house. 4:42 And this is I was extremely active before this. 4:44 I could run a 5K without stopping. 4:46 No problem. 4:47 And all of a sudden for this after the vaccine, I can't. 4:51 I couldn't move without pain, without my heart going crazy, without sweating. 4:55 And then I was also freezing at the same time. 4:59 So Dr. G thought it might be POTS. 5:02 And to his opinion at the time, he said that you can't have POTS without fainting. 5:08 At that point, I had not fainted. 5:10 I'd only experienced presyncope regularly. 5:14 we had to wait for the tilt test. 5:16 So I was, I had Moderna in April. 5:18 We had to wait. 5:19 I ended up getting that tilt test finally in November. 5:22 So there's a lot of time that went by. 5:24 I was still very symptomatic. 5:26 I did, I was about, I was, I think it was like two months after the vaccine, I started to take on like human clients again. 5:33 I've never unfortunately been able to work with horses again. 5:37 And I didn't that between the first and the second vaccination, but taking on one person again, 5:43 compared to the eight people that I could take on in a day, that one client I would have to, and I was a very therapeutic type of massage therapist. 5:51 I was very much so I'm going to move your body for you so that I can manipulate your joints and be able to heal you. 5:58 It's a very physical work. 6:00 And I would have to sit down and do relaxation massage where I'm barely moving. 6:05 you know, putting any pressure. 6:06 I'm not putting much thought into it because I was just drenched with sweat. 6:10 I couldn't make it through the first session that I did. 6:13 Um, so my client had to go home. 6:17 Anyways, um, the tilt test finally came and Dr. G said it was inconclusive. 6:25 So I was experiencing symptoms throughout the test. 6:28 It was an inconclusive test. 6:30 And, um, 6:32 at this test the there was a resident cardiologist as well as a nurse that when you're doing a tilt test for those that don't know it it's where they have you lying down so they can get your base and they can get like a basis in your base heart rate your base blood pressure and then they tilt you up you're strapped to a table so that way this is passive it's not you standing up it's them sitting you up and um then after a certain amount of time they'll take sorry they'll take a um 7:03 they'll take measurement when you've been up and then they'll lay you back down, get your bases again, and then they'll add a medication which is supposed to replicate like a vassal dilation. 7:15 So what happens when heat is brought into like a normal 7:19 a situation like going outside for the heat. 7:20 It's supposed to be like that. 7:21 Dr. G and the nurse had told me that they, for this test had used liquid adrenaline. 7:26 I'm not sure exactly what medication is, what, what, what it was because it wasn't the same as what in the future Dr. Raj had decided to use. 7:34 Anyways, 7:35 Dr. G had done this. 7:37 I was again symptomatic on the table and afterwards he said it was inconclusive and that I needed my second vaccination because of a previous blood clot that I had when I was 19. 7:49 He was concerned that I was going to have blood clots if I got COVID. 7:54 The test was inconclusive. 7:55 He said I didn't have POTS, which I know for a fact now you can have POTS without passing out. 8:01 However, he said I did not have POTS. 8:02 I did not pass out. 8:03 If I had 8:04 If I had thoughts, I would have absolutely passed out. 8:08 He also told me that he had spoken with a specialist about my case and that this said specialist also said that I needed the second vaccination. Speaker 1
8:20 Can I just slow you down there? 8:22 So you are having severe heart problems so much so that you're consulting this cardiologist and they're doing a test. 8:34 your whole body would shake. 8:36 You couldn't have a shower without sitting down. 8:38 You can't work. 8:39 You're now using a walker inside, as I understand it. 8:44 You can't do, you're basically already disabled. 8:47 What I find interesting is, is that two specialists, because there are people that need their lives saved, but two specialists are consulting about whether or not you should take a second vaccine, and you haven't even asked them that question. Speaker 2
9:01 Well, isn't it interesting? 9:02 Because he actually lied about this said specialist. 9:06 I actually had a lawsuit going against Dr. G, and I had to forego it. Speaker 1
9:10 Let's not go there now. 9:12 Let's just stay at the time. 9:13 So one specialist, a cardiologist, you basically become disabled as a young woman, right? 9:20 Like how old were you at this time? Speaker 1
9:24 Okay, so you're 32 years old. 9:26 You're basically now disabled from a vaccine. 9:28 Absolutely. 9:31 Without you asking, do you think I should take another vaccine, two specialists have consulted and they're telling you to take the vaccine. 9:40 Also, have you got calls yet from Alberta Health Services? Speaker 2
9:44 Yes, thank you. Speaker 1
9:46 The amount of pressure to get you to take another vaccine after you're disabled is shocking to me. 9:52 It was. 9:52 So share about this. Speaker 2
9:54 It was before the tilt test, actually. 9:56 So this was AHS had a nurse contact me before I was even able to get Dr. G to decide if I had POTS or to decide if this tilt test was going to be positive or not. 10:06 AHS called me and they said that they had looked over the ER visit that I had had where I had tachycardia. 10:13 And in the ER, the nurses there did say it was directly after vaccination. 10:18 They did say it was an adverse event. 10:20 This AHS nurse that called me said they deemed it wasn't an adverse event and that whichever specialist she had been working with had also agreed that I need the second vaccination. 10:31 And I told her, like, we're actually investigating me right now, and a cardiologist has said I shouldn't get the second vaccine until he tests me for PODs. 10:40 So how is it that you're on the phone with me, a nurse at AHS for a specialist who I don't know and never seen, calling me to tell me that I need a second vaccine when we haven't even had proper time to investigate? 10:51 And it was an adverse event. 10:53 It was hours, within hours of taking that vaccine. 10:56 And I've never, ever had a reaction to any other medication. 10:59 Again, I was excited to get it because I've never had a problem with vaccines before. 11:03 So for this AHS person to contact me to just tell me that 11:08 Take the second one. Speaker 1
11:10 What's interesting is then with the AHS specialist, so it means, Drew, that it was so important for you to get that second shot that we now in Alberta Health Services have, let's not do cancer surgeries or heart surgeries, let's have our specialists all talking about Drew Taylor and how important it is for Drew Taylor to get her second shot when you haven't even asked them whether or not you should get a second shot. 11:38 It's fantastic and not in a good way. 11:41 So you're getting all this pressure to get a second shot and you do because of the pressure, right? Speaker 2
11:49 Well, not just the pressure. 11:51 I did ask Dr. G for an exemption and he absolutely denied it. 11:56 And the specialist he supposedly spoke with, as far as I know, doesn't exist. 12:01 I went through medical records. 12:02 You're supposed to keep your records for up to 10 years. 12:04 The specialist that he consulted with, this conversation, it never happened except to with me. 12:10 So I did go ahead and get a few weeks later the second vaccine. 12:14 I was pressured. 12:16 My family is in the States. 12:18 And unfortunately, at the time, my mom was really worried. 12:22 What if something happens to my grandma? 12:23 What if something happens to them? 12:25 And at the time, you couldn't cross the border without taking both vaccinations. 12:29 And unfortunately, my grandma did end up passing, but I was too sick to go because it was after the second vaccination where I started fainting. 12:36 And I've not flown or traveled seriously since the traveling that I have done. 12:40 I'm sick on. 12:41 So... 12:42 Unfortunately, yeah, due to the pressure, I did take it. 12:45 And within 24 hours, every symptom I felt before was amplified. 12:50 I felt like I was going to pass out before. 12:53 After the second vaccination, I would be in my bed. 12:56 I would sit up and immediately get this heart rush. 13:01 And I'd be like, okay, I have to go to the bathroom. 13:03 I'm not going to just sit here and go in my bed. 13:05 So I get up to go to the bathroom. Speaker 1
13:07 And by that point, I'm fainting immediately. 13:10 I'm on the ground. Speaker 2
13:11 There's nothing. 13:15 And you get back up and you feel it again, like everything. 13:18 Your head hurts. 13:20 You've got to puke. 13:21 You've got to piss. 13:22 You've got to everything. 13:23 Every part of my system wasn't working. 13:26 I could feel my heart trembling. 13:28 I would have trembles. 13:31 My heart rate was going exceeding 200, going to the kitchen, walking to the kitchen. 13:43 Yeah, just a very difficult time after the second vaccination. 13:47 I didn't know what to do. 13:51 I was frantic. 13:52 I did contact my family doctor. 13:54 I told him what happened. 13:55 He immediately, after the first vaccination, my family doctor, Dr. Ahmed, also agreed. 14:00 This is a vaccine injury. 14:02 He, after the second one, told me to rest and this is very serious. 14:08 And 14:10 he didn't know what to do because we had already, we already contacted, there was the cardiologist at the Sturgeon Hospital and then the cardiologist at the Royal Alec. 14:18 And he, my doctor, we sat there together. 14:21 Like, I don't know what to do. 14:22 He didn't know what to do. 14:24 He's like, I don't know who to reach out for, Drew. 14:26 I've already, I've already asked these specialists. 14:28 They've already tested. 14:29 Like, what do I? 14:30 And so I looked up the POTS organization and, 14:35 standing up for POTS. 14:36 And I actually contacted them and they told me to go to Dr. Raj and have my doctor send an emergency referral. 14:44 And not only did my doctor send an emergency referral, I called Dr. Raj probably three or four times leaving voicemails while I'm crying because I wanted him to see me and I wasn't living my life. 14:57 I went from perfectly healthy and 15:00 owning a business and running my family and helping to bed bound and not able to even get to the kitchen. 15:08 So the second ER trip that I took to the university hospital, the cardiologist there and the neurologist there also sent in an emergency referral. 15:22 And thankfully Dr. Raj took me on within a couple of months. 15:27 He did full autonomic testing on me and in Calgary at his autonomic investigations clinic. 15:36 And he found POTS, leaning hyperandrogenetic. 15:40 And he found vasovagal syncope and suspected mast cell activation syndrome. 15:47 And he agreed that... 15:50 This all of my conditions were triggered from the vaccinations. 15:55 It was really clear in my history. 15:57 Sorry, go ahead. Speaker 1
15:58 Well, I'm just so you're you faint constantly like this is still a problem today that you if I'm not on medication. Speaker 2
16:07 Yes. 16:07 And unfortunately, I like my medicines. 16:11 I take them three or four times a day. 16:12 They work for about three hours for me. 16:15 So if I'm like, it's difficult because if I'm, it's eight o'clock and I'm still wanting to be awake till 10, I can't be on medicine because that's got to, they work until 11 and I can't lie down with them. 16:26 So there's times where I'm like, okay, my meds wear off, but I still want to exist as a person in my house. 16:31 And I do faint. 16:33 I faint right now about one to three times a week. 16:37 And this is generally when medicine has worn off. 16:39 I 16:40 To be able to not faint and to be able to speak with you even today, I'm on blood pressure medication, heart medication. 16:48 I'm on mast cell stabilizers. 16:50 I've had a gallon of water already today, and I require 10,000 to 14,000 milligrams of sodium to be able to keep my blood flow and hydration maintaining. 17:04 Because when I stand, unfortunately with POTS, as you've heard probably today, it's 17:08 Our blood flow does not go to our heart and our head. 17:11 So compression, salt, water is the treatment alongside beta blockers. Speaker 1
17:16 Right. 17:16 So just, you know, back to when this first happened, my understanding is, is in addition to like fainting all the time until they figured out your medications, you literally bed bound for a year, but you were also throwing up constantly. Speaker 2
17:30 Oh, yes. 17:31 This is actually still an issue. 17:33 So especially the first about year and a half, I was bed bound even after starting the plan with Dr. Raj. 17:39 Like this is not these conditions. 17:41 POTS, postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome, is not an easy condition. 17:46 It is very complex and complex. 17:48 Even Dr. Raj had said, you know, his patients are very, they're in line, seems to heart failure, what we deal with every day. 17:56 So yes, I was throwing up constantly. 18:01 I'm now allergic, like I have sensitivities anyways. 18:04 None of these are true allergies with mast cell, but I react strongly now to gluten, dairy, soy, sugars, preservatives. Speaker 1
18:12 And I just want to focus on some other things because we're getting tight on time. 18:19 Right now, basically, if you're going to go outside, you have to walk with a cane. 18:24 You can't go to the store without a wheelchair. 18:26 I'm right about that. Speaker 2
18:28 No, I can walk right now as long as I have compression, as long as I am okay, but I am limited. 18:35 So I can go for maybe a small walk, and then I have to sit down and deal with presyncope. 18:40 So if I'm walking for 10 minutes, that's fine. 18:42 I can do that, except then I have to sit down and deal with my heart pain, and I still have to catch up. 18:49 By catch up, I mean I have to... 18:53 recover from any physical activity that i do i've not yet gone to an event without a wheelchair and typically like an event as in like if my uh like there was a 19:04 What was it? 19:05 Weird Al was in town recently. 19:07 My husband had bought tickets a long time ago. 19:09 We only got to the event and then basically had to leave. 19:12 It was just too bright, too loud. 19:14 But for us, even just like getting there is enough. 19:17 Like, but before I would have been able to enjoy the whole concert symptom free, no problem. 19:21 Now I leave an hour and a half early, like way too early. 19:26 And for the next week, I'm actually bed bound again because I chose to try to do something. 19:32 Everything for me has a consequence. Speaker 1
19:35 Right. 19:36 Are you able to shower by yourself? Speaker 2
19:38 I am, but I'm not able to shower without immediately sitting down still. 19:42 And I do, one of the fainting episodes I had that was severe my first year, I actually ended up with my own little Harry Potter scar. 19:52 I cut my head from the top of my head to the middle of my forehead. 19:56 I don't know exactly how, but I was in the shower and fainted for that one. 19:59 It's still an issue. Speaker 1
20:02 When you, before your second dose, when you were still doing massage therapy and people started getting vaccinated, you saw some changes. 20:14 And the main thing you saw was unusual menstrual bleeding. 20:18 Can you just quickly share about that? Speaker 2
20:20 Yeah, actually. 20:22 So for the very few clients that I did see again after the vaccine, I would say a majority had the majority of my clients did have the vaccine and a good majority of them had issues. 20:33 So not only was some of my patients like they were bleeding for like three months. 20:38 They would come to me and they were still like bleeding. 20:41 And then there was the opposite too, whereas they wouldn't start their period anymore. 20:46 And they were like, this is weird. 20:48 I know it's vaccine related, but who's going to actually admit that? 20:51 And I actually have a client who ended up with a blood clot in his leg. 20:55 And he's still to this day suffering, constantly back and forth with the doctors and specialists. 21:02 And we know it's vaccine related, but none of the doctors want to touch it. Speaker 1
21:07 So the last thing I wanted to ask you is, you're actually in the process of setting up a business making clothes for injured people. 21:17 And so can you share with us, and it's compression clothing, because there's so many people like you that you've learned through social media that there's actually a demand. 21:29 And you see, this is actually part of the story that there could be so many people that need compression clothes, like young people that need compression clothes. 21:37 Can you just kind of share with us what you're doing and how this came about? Speaker 2
21:41 Sure. 21:42 So, well, the vaccine injury program was supposed to essentially replace my income, but they have yet to do that. 21:48 So I've had to find my own way to survive. 21:51 My husband has multiple sclerosis and my kids are young. 21:55 So obviously the help that we're getting is not enough to support the family. 21:59 So I've definitely been on social media. 22:01 I do have a stage name on social media. 22:04 However, I... 22:06 have found through going live on TikTok for the last few years. 22:10 So thousands, thousands of people are suffering from postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome or like it. 22:17 And the need for compression is quite high. 22:20 So yes, I am in the works of making a dress line and that's full leather so that we can keep our style, but it's full medical grade compression underneath. 22:30 So that way you don't have to worry about spending $300 for medical grade compression, which I'm supposed to have full compression from toe just past bra line. 22:39 And honestly, my arms blood pool as well as a symptom. 22:42 So I prefer to have full sleeves often that are compressive. 22:46 And yes, I can't wait to be able to do this more. 22:50 But this community needs to have some kind of hope and some kind of light. 22:54 And I think that 22:55 taking away our fashion or is, is like, obviously it's not just the first thing that we think about when we're sick, but when you're constantly sick and you know, you can't even leave your house. 23:06 I feel like it's important to remember to take care of ourselves, obviously. 23:10 And part of that is feeling good and feeling like you look good. 23:13 So why not create a medical line of compression that also has style? Speaker 1
23:18 Yeah. 23:18 Thank you. 23:19 Those are my questions. Speaker 3
23:21 Okay. 23:22 Hi, Drew. 23:23 Uh, 23:24 Good to see you. 23:25 I got a couple, I got, we're going to ask a couple of questions from some of the MPs that are here. 23:29 I got Arnold Beerson who's from Alberta. 23:31 He's going to, he's going to ask a question. 23:32 Then I have a question afterwards as well. Speaker 4
23:36 I just, you just alluded to the vaccine injury program. 23:39 Can you just expand on your experience with that? Speaker 2
23:41 Yeah, it has been a ride. 23:46 So it took a year and a half of back and forth to be accepted into the vaccine injury program. 23:53 The initial payout was $45,000 for me, and I have been in the appeal stage because the vaccine injury program claims that I can go up a flight of stairs and two flights of stairs with no issue. 24:06 That's not true. 24:08 So I've been trying to appeal this with my lawyer and we still haven't gotten anywhere. 24:13 This has been years and they were supposed to replace my income, which the original payout wouldn't have even replaced my income for that year as a professional massage therapist who owned her own business. 24:23 So yeah, my experience is really frustrating. 24:27 I think I've had about 14 or 15 different managers and yeah, 24:32 it's really difficult as someone with brain fog, like even dealing with the sound system today, if I'm not used to doing something, my brain, it's, it's, it's much more difficult for me to be able to do things that they purposely make this extremely difficult. Speaker 3
24:45 Thank you. 24:50 So Drew, I want to ask, you know, you, you, you have pots. 24:54 Could you explain to the people in the audience? 24:57 Like we've heard that term a couple of times today. 25:00 I mean, so just explain in terms of what it actually means in terms of lifestyle, in terms of what you can and can't do. 25:07 I know you explained some of the symptoms, but just in terms of how it shows itself up to you. Speaker 2
25:14 Sure. 25:14 So anything seated up or standing requires effort. 25:21 So essentially, if you have to wear compression to be out of bed, if you have pots, it helps 25:28 get the blood flow back from your legs back up to your heart and your head. 25:31 So you have to wear compression and typically medical grade. 25:35 The amount of water that you need is also very high in electrolytes and sodium. 25:39 And this is also to help the blood flow back to the heart. 25:41 So a lot of us like myself, we need excessive amount of sodium. 25:46 So 10,000 to 14,000 milligrams for someone like myself who is constantly like without medication going to be fainting. 25:56 So for a normal person too with POTS, when say like the amount of sensitivities is pretty extreme. 26:04 So someone with POTS can't just go to the grocery store, for example, like the lights are going to affect them. 26:10 The people around are going to affect them. 26:12 And then standing in line is going to affect them. 26:14 You feel almost drunk. 26:17 And I haven't had a drink since 2019. 26:20 You feel the symptoms just having POTS. 26:24 You get really dizzy, almost like it can be the room spinning, but it can also just be like a general dizziness. 26:30 And this is a chronic symptom. 26:32 So most of us, I would say, have that. 26:34 A lot of us have GI issues. 26:37 A feeding tube has been brought up by my doctor. 26:40 I still have GI issues, but I have found good protein. 26:44 It's a vegan. 26:44 A lot of us can only have certain foods every day, certain things, because if we change that, then we're back throwing up. 26:52 We're back. 26:53 So 26:54 our regimen as someone with POTS, like it has to be pretty consistent. 26:57 We have to absolutely do our care plan every single day. 27:00 Otherwise we won't, I wouldn't be able to even do this. 27:05 It, yeah. Speaker 3
27:07 Melissa, thank you. 27:08 Thank you very much. 27:09 Oh, go ahead, Mr. Dolan. Speaker 5
27:12 Yeah, thank you very much for sharing your story. 27:18 And, you know, I have to catch a flight here in a few minutes, but, you know, so I've been listening to 27:23 obviously not all the different experiences people have been having. 27:28 And it's, it's heart wrenching. 27:29 It's heart wrenching. 27:30 I must, I must admit. 27:32 And I want to say thank you to MP Allison and Sean, just for bringing this out, you know, because to validate what people have been suffering. 27:45 And I think a lot more people are suffering than they even know that they're, they're going through things. 27:49 I'm not even sure that, you know, what the reasons are. 27:52 And, and so, 27:53 I just want to say thank you to yourself and to all those, everyone else here even tomorrow that have done, taken the effort to sacrifice the time to come here to share this. 28:08 And, you know, we want to get the message out and have a way forward and hopefully better, you know, 28:19 recompense also for some of these problems. 28:22 But again, just want to say thank you and thank you to the folks for hosting this. Speaker 3
28:30 Drew, thank you very much.