Dr. Crystal Luchkiw
Day 3 · September 10, 2026 · 0:43:05
Key points Dr. Crystal Luchkiw, a family physician, hospitalist, and palliative-care doctor, testifies on behalf of her brother Scott Gorey, a 48-year-old parliamentary aide who wanted to testify himself. She says Scott needed the vaccine to keep his job and received his first dose in April or May 2021, despite their discussions about emerging safety concerns. She says he had a syncopal episode about four weeks later, but hospital staff declined to check his heart, calling vaccine involvement "highly unlikely." She says a cardiologist cleared him for a second dose that he received before results revealed significant heart impairment, noting his 2019 echocardiogram had been normal. She recounts him collapsing at a baseball game in front of his children, being revived, and being found with severe myocarditis and 10% heart function. She describes his decline through repeated defibrillator shocks, kidney failure, denial of a heart transplant, and his eventual choice of comfort care, dying July 4. She argues the system abandoned core principles of do-no-harm, informed consent, and autonomy, and says her own license was suspended for refusing to comply.
Speaker 1
0:05 Thank you. 0:07 Thank you, Miriam. 0:09 Our next witness is Dr. 0:11 Crystal Lucci. 0:13 Did I pronounce that right? Speaker 1
0:16 Lucci. 0:17 I'm sorry. Speaker 2
0:18 That's okay. Speaker 1
0:18 Will you please take the Bible in your right hand? 0:22 Crystal, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Speaker 1
0:31 I'm just going to lead you a little bit. 0:34 but you are here to testify for your brother, Scott Gorey. Speaker 2
0:37 Yes, correct. Speaker 1
0:39 And Scott actually spoke about wanting to testify at this inquiry. 0:45 Can you tell us about that? Speaker 2
0:46 He did. 0:48 Scott was 48 when he passed away. Speaker 2
1:02 He was a parliamentary worker, an aide. 1:06 He was my brother. Speaker 1
1:07 But I'm just wanting to lead you through some things. 1:10 I'm going to let you go in a second. 1:12 Okay, I'm sorry. 1:12 But the point I was trying to make is he actually spoke to you. 1:15 He wanted to testify personally at this inquiry. Speaker 2
1:18 Yeah, so in the hospital, I guess he was going through some of his health issues. 1:24 He did bring this to my attention. 1:26 I wasn't aware of it. 1:28 And said when he gets out of the hospital, this is what he would like to be doing and sharing his story at the Allison Inquiry. Speaker 1
1:38 Right. 1:39 And he died on July 4th. 1:40 So you're here testifying for him. Speaker 1
1:45 And Scott was a parliamentarian. 1:49 He worked on Parliament Hill here in Ottawa. Speaker 1
1:52 And the parliamentarian. 1:54 last MP worked for was MP Blaine Calkins, who's in attendance here today to listen to you. Speaker 1
2:04 And we know that Scott never had COVID because he was tested many times through this. Speaker 1
2:10 And we also know that this is a vaccine injury because the doctors have confirmed it, and even the Vaccine Injury Support Program has confirmed this is vaccine injury. Speaker 1
2:20 So can you tell us about your brother? Speaker 2
2:24 Yeah, he was a larger than life, big friendly giant. 2:33 He would wrap you in stories for hours and he just loved life. 2:40 He loved being a father. 2:44 It was his pride and joy. 2:46 He loved being a son to my parents. 2:51 He loved his family. 2:52 He loved his friends. 2:53 He was loyal. 2:54 He was amazing. 2:55 He was very active. 2:59 He volunteered. 3:02 Just an incredible human. 3:07 And we miss him very much. Speaker 1
3:10 And he had two children when he passed, Caleb, who is age 10, and Olivia, who is age eight. Speaker 1
3:18 And he had a spouse. Speaker 1
3:21 So, Mylene. 3:23 Yeah. 3:26 And you were very close to Scott yourself. Speaker 2
3:29 Very close. 3:30 We were inseparable, unconditional love, no questions. 3:36 Always had each other's backs. 3:38 There for everything. Speaker 1
3:41 What's one of your fondest memories about Scott? Speaker 2
3:46 Probably at my wedding. 3:52 We had a golf tournament during the day and he went out golfing with all of 3:55 the groomsmen and we were in each other's weddings and he had a couple of drinks and had a blast. 4:05 And then during the ceremony, as I was walking down the aisle, he was a bumbling mess. 4:12 And it was very cute to see a big burly man as I'm walking down the aisle, crying like a baby. 4:20 There was, he would be embarrassed if I told that story, but, um, 4:25 he would also love it too. 4:28 And when my daughter was born, it was the first grandchild in our family and first niece or any babies in our family. 4:38 And again, Scott was six foot four, six foot five, like he was really big. 4:44 And this little tiny baby in his arms, it was just beautiful. 4:50 Yeah. 4:52 We have a lot of great memories. Speaker 1
4:54 Can we pull up, David, some videos of Scott just so we can see who we're... Oh, yeah. 5:01 So can you share with us what's happening in this video? Speaker 2
5:05 Yeah, so we're out west in Alberta for my uncle's wedding, and that's my brother, Scott, my mom in the middle, and that's me. 5:15 We had a blast at that, during that trip. 5:19 Yeah. Speaker 1
5:20 David, can you pull up the next photograph? Speaker 2
5:23 And that's the picture I was kind of just describing. 5:26 That was the day or the next day after my daughter Berkeley was born. 5:32 And you can see, right, the human connection. 5:38 And I think that's what's really missing in all of these policies and all of this stuff we're going to talk about. 5:45 But that right there is the human condition. 5:49 It's what life is about. 5:52 and who gets to determine and who gets to intervene and who gets to change the lives of these people. Speaker 1
6:07 It's interesting that when I first saw this photograph, I had assumed that this was one of Scott's own children, just the way he's so affectionately holding and so engaging. Speaker 2
6:18 He loved so big. 6:20 He loved so hard. 6:22 with all of his heart, with everything about him. 6:25 And there was no question, you can tell, he's embracing my daughter as if it was his own too. 6:33 And we were a very close family. Speaker 1
6:38 Can we go to the next photograph, David? 6:41 Tell us about this photograph. Speaker 2
6:43 So this is Scott with Caleb and Olivia. 6:49 And 6:51 That was a little bit after his injury. 6:59 And they're quite young, you can see, five and three. 7:05 And he had the best hugs and the best snuggles. 7:12 And those kids absolutely love him. Speaker 1
7:16 It also looks like he's got bear paws. Speaker 2
7:21 He does. 7:21 He was, again, a really larger than life human being. 7:28 And those hugs just dropped you right in. 7:35 He was really incredible. Speaker 1
7:37 He described him to me as a big teddy bear. Speaker 2
7:39 Huge teddy bear. 7:40 Yeah. 7:42 And his daughter, she had him wrapped around her little finger. 7:48 and still does. 7:50 And Caleb was just the light of his life. 7:53 And he loved being a father to them. 7:56 And he loved being a husband to his wife. 8:01 They were building a beautiful life together. Speaker 1
8:03 I want you to share with us, um, is I guess, journey with the vaccines and, and what followed, um, 8:18 So can you just jump into that and share that with us? 8:21 Sure. Speaker 2
8:23 As I do that, everyone listening, I'd just like you to imagine that you have some lenses, like my glasses here, that you can put on. 8:34 And imagine what it would be like to experience from Scott's perspective, from the lenses of how this would all feel and what it would be like. 8:48 And also from his children's perspective, because they were present for some horrific things that happened. 8:59 So Scott, as he was a parliamentary aide, so he, we had lots of discussions and he needed to get the vaccine to maintain his employment. 9:09 And he... Can I just interject? Speaker 1
9:12 So you and him had discussions. 9:15 You're a medical doctor. Speaker 2
9:17 I am a medical doctor. 9:18 I'm a family doctor. Speaker 1
9:20 Family physician, hospitalist, palliative care. 9:23 You're a medical doctor. 9:24 And so you're saying you're having discussions with him. Speaker 1
9:27 That's from the perspective of a sister who has his best interest in heart. 9:33 But you also have the background as being a medical doctor. Speaker 2
9:36 100%. 9:36 Okay. 9:37 Yes. 9:39 So this is... 9:43 He gets his first... 9:45 after we've had discussions about there were already safety concerns. 9:51 And he got his first vaccine in April or May of 2021. 10:01 And approximately four weeks later, he died. 10:07 called me and he had had a syncopal episode, which means he passed out, completely passed out unconscious at home while he was cooking in his kitchen and his stove, his oven glass broke and he did not know how long he was unconscious for. 10:31 He had nothing leading up to it, no signs that something was going to happen. 10:37 just lights out and he hit the floor and he had some injuries. 10:42 He called me and I told him that he needed to call 911 because a true syncopal episode in a young, healthy person active like he was, is cardiac until proven otherwise. 10:57 And so he did. 10:59 And I asked him because again, safety signals were already emerging in the scientific literature 11:06 related to myocarditis. 11:09 I asked him to make sure that they would check either a bedside ultrasound of his heart or an echocardiogram to have a look and make sure that there is no myocarditis or pericarditis present. 11:23 When he got to the hospital, they did some blood work and an ECG, and they would not have a look because it was highly unlikely. 11:36 That was the term that was used a lot, and he heard it over and over again, that it was highly unlikely to be related to the vaccine. 11:47 So he was sent home, referred to an outpatient cardiologist, and about six weeks later, he had that appointment, and they did do an echocardiogram. 12:00 He hadn't got the results yet. 12:02 And he asked the cardiologist because we had obviously been having many conversations. 12:09 He asked the cardiologist if he was safe to get the second injection. 12:16 And we've heard from Deanna McLeod how the toxicity increases with each dose. 12:25 And so the cardiologist told him it was highly unlikely to be related and he's safe to get the vaccine. 12:31 So he got his second dose two weeks after his cardiologist appointment. 12:37 And we did find out after the fact that there was evidence of significant impairment in his heart function on his echocardiogram. 12:54 But we didn't find that out until after the Speaker 1
12:57 Can I just interrupt you because we actually know he had a healthy heart before that first shot. 13:02 And can you share with us how we know this as a fact? Speaker 2
13:05 Yeah. 13:06 In 2019, Scott was going through some difficult life circumstances and things. 13:14 And he had some heart palpitations and went to the hospital. 13:18 He had an echocardiogram then because they wanted to make sure everything was okay. 13:27 And it was completely normal with a very good functioning heart with normal anatomy and no damage. 13:40 And it turned out to be just anxiety and stress related from his life circumstances that he was going through at that time. 13:49 So we bring forward to September 10th, which is today. Speaker 3
13:57 Sorry. 14:04 Scott was playing baseball. Speaker 2
14:21 He loved to play sports and baseball. Speaker 3
14:24 And he was on a co-ed recreational team. 14:34 And his kids were with him. Speaker 2
14:38 Their game finished and he was getting ready to pack up. 14:42 The next team needed somebody to help stay in scorekeep. 14:45 So Scott being Scott, thankfully he did. 14:50 And he put the kids in the car and got them settled to wait until he was ready to go. 14:58 And he helped scorekeep at the beginning of the game, the next game. 15:03 And while he was 15:05 sitting on the bench. 15:08 The reports from the people who helped him that day said he turned gray, he slumped over, and he fell on the ground. 15:20 And he was unconscious. 15:23 Nobody could feel a heartbeat. 15:26 Someone had to run, I don't know how far, but it looked very far when I saw the field, kilometers, a kilometer. 15:38 to get a defibrillator while they were doing CPR and calling 911. 15:43 His children are in the car. Speaker 3
15:47 They're watching this happen to their dad. Speaker 2
15:54 So he is successfully revived and has free circulation and 16:06 the paramedics take him to the Ottawa Heart Institute where they found that he had very severe, severe myocarditis with a heart function of 10%. 16:23 And he was admitted to the cardiac ICU. 16:28 He was there for seven days. 16:31 He had to have a defibrillator 16:37 inserted. 16:42 And he did that during that hospital stay. 16:50 Now, that kind of injury and toxicity to biological tissue, there's permanent damage. 17:05 And that 17:06 permanent damage wasn't made any better by the defibrillator. 17:12 So think about an electrical circuit. 17:14 The heart is an electrical unit. 17:18 And that there's all these breaks from scar tissue that formed from the severe inflammation, myocarditis of the muscle tissue. 17:31 That's, 17:32 the difference between pericarditis and myocarditis. 17:35 Pericarditis is from the outer lining of the heart. 17:40 Myocarditis is the heart muscle itself and the infiltration that happens in that muscle and the electrical conductivity that has to try to pass through there. Speaker 1
17:53 We've got some time constraints, so rather than go into medical details, can you focus on the journey? 18:00 Thank you. Speaker 2
18:02 Well, they're important because to understand what Scott went through afterwards, you do need to understand the extensive damage that occurred and how that occurred and why he suffered the way he did after. 18:17 So after he got home, he had a boatload of new medications that he had never been on, and he had to rebuild his capacity to be able to 18:32 do daily functions and things like that and care for his children. 18:39 He did, but he never regained any kind of normal capacity. 18:43 He was never able to return to normal activity fully. 18:48 He did try to return to work because that was a really big part of his life that he loved. 18:56 And he was able to for a little. 18:59 However, with all of the damage that did happen to his heart, he suffered many different episodes of what's called ventricular fibrillation or ventricular tachycardia, which is just a shockable rhythm and his pacemaker and defibrillator, it would be activated. 19:24 He had many of these episodes where his children 19:28 were present, they could hear it. 19:30 I want you to imagine what that would feel like inside of your chest. 19:35 These are the human costs of the decisions that are made. 19:40 And he was terrified, absolutely terrified. 19:43 He couldn't live a normal day without wondering if that was going to happen again. 19:52 And he did have a day where it went off 31 times in a row, 31 times. 20:00 And he was unconscious again and in hospital again. 20:06 And then the remainder of his heart that was still at that time preserved was no longer preserved. 20:16 And then he started to develop issues with 20:22 volume and fluid balance because as a pump that is not working anymore his kidneys started to get congested he ended up in hospital multiple times and instead of being able to raise his children and play baseball with his son and watch his daughter's cheer he was alone in hospital getting poked and prodded and he was getting worse 20:53 We knew he needed a heart transplant and he had been attempting to work with the Ottawa team here, but he was treated extremely disrespectfully and his condition was minimized. 21:14 His diagnosis, which was, he had already been approved and through the vaccine injury program. 21:22 It was irrefutable. 21:26 He met with the organ transplant team and the doctor told him that the first thing that they needed to do was revisit the diagnosis. 21:41 Instead of treating him for the condition that he had and the severity of the injuries, 21:51 and the end organ damage that was happening, she wanted to revisit the diagnosis instead of seeing him as a person. 21:59 So he suffered a lot of discrimination throughout his journey. 22:08 And a person can feel when they're cared for and when they're being judged. 22:15 And I think for Scott, that was one of the biggest things that 22:21 It was one of the hardest things. 22:24 Was constantly having to defend himself when he didn't do anything wrong. 22:30 And he's the one suffering. Speaker 3
22:33 Not the medical system. 22:35 Not that doctor. Speaker 2
22:40 So he was denied any kind of possibility through Ottawa for various reasons that had nothing to do with 22:52 his heart or whether he could receive a heart transplant. 22:56 It was BMI and frailty and they wanted him to do things that would not have helped whatsoever and he couldn't have done anyway because he couldn't get to some of the cardiac rehab they wanted or it wasn't going to change his overall condition and he needed a heart transplant. 23:21 So he came to Barrie in May to visit us and he knew he was in big trouble. 23:30 He could barely walk. 23:34 He was having trouble breathing and he got some blood work from in Ottawa before he came and he got the news that his kidneys were failing and he needed to go to the hospital. 23:48 He did not want to go 23:50 But he agreed to go. 23:53 And that was on my birthday. Speaker 3
23:56 So he got admitted to... 23:57 He got admitted to the hospital in Barrie. 24:15 Where he had 20... Speaker 2
24:19 two to 24 kilos of extra fluid in his body. 24:27 Most of it accumulated in his abdomen, not in his lungs, fortunately. 24:31 But the path of least resistance is wherever that water will go and that fluid. 24:43 And he really wanted to get home. 24:46 Everyone wants to focus on 24:49 what the acute issue is, of course, obviously, but we also wanted at that time to pursue a heart transplant. 24:57 Scott needed to know if it was actually an option. 25:04 And we had tried to pursue the option of Toronto General as a new consult, unbiased, to see. 25:18 And so 25:20 After a lot of advocacy and difficult conversations with the doctors and nurses, we were finally transferred. 25:31 Scott was in cardiogenic shock, meaning his blood pressure was 40 over 20. 25:38 He was on blood medications just to keep him alive at that point in time. 25:46 The fluid was going nowhere. 25:47 We couldn't 25:49 The doctors couldn't get anything off of him. 25:53 And so we were transferred down to Toronto General, where again, the most aggressive measures that they tried were doing nothing. 26:04 So we got news that he needed dialysis. 26:08 And Scott did not want dialysis. 26:13 But the question was, if he gets dialysis, could he still continue? 26:19 qualify for a heart transplant. 26:22 And at that point in time, there had been so much damage to all of the blood vessels leading into and out of his current heart that he couldn't have received a heart anyway. 26:35 So at that time, he chose not to pursue dialysis, which would have only given him a little bit more time anyway. 26:48 and he was suffering. Speaker 3
26:51 He was in hospital away from his kids with tubes everywhere, uncomfortable in a hospital bed, not surrounded by family. 27:12 So he made the decision to 27:18 Just pursue comfort care. 27:22 And I had the conversation with him that helped him choose that. 27:30 Because I'm a palliative care doctor. 27:33 That's what I do for a living. 27:35 Or I did. 27:39 And I don't know if you can imagine what that, how difficult that was. 27:48 or what that felt like. 28:06 I think if there's anything that I can leave you with about that, if we're not 28:19 Focusing on what's best for the human in front of you. 28:24 What are we doing? 28:24 You can have public health all you want. Speaker 2
28:36 Public health is made up of individuals. Speaker 1
28:38 Crystal, can I interrupt you? 28:40 We're getting short on time and I know some of the MPs want to speak. Speaker 3
28:44 Absolutely. 28:50 Take a minute. Speaker 4
29:00 Mr. Motz. 29:12 Scott was a big man. 29:14 He made me look pretty small. Speaker 5
29:21 Thank you for your testimony today. Speaker 6
29:27 I couldn't help but be aggravated with Scott's experience and your experience and his family's experience. 29:40 From your perspective as a medical doctor, a palliative care doctor, and hearing the testimony of you and others, what would 29:50 just as look like for you, Scott's family, for your family, with respect to the medical system, with respect to even government policy? Speaker 3
30:09 That's a great question. 30:14 And thank you for your comment. Speaker 2
30:19 Justice looks very, I mean, these aren't new things that we need to figure out. 30:25 What we need to do is figure out a way that we do not stray from the very principles of human decency to maintain human dignity. 30:40 The principles are very simple. 30:43 No matter what is going on in the world, I was trained as a doctor. 30:46 There was never a time I was trained 30:49 To say if a pandemic or an epidemic breaks out, you breach all of your fundamental principles and you follow these orders. 31:02 Never. 31:03 And nor would I. 31:06 Do no harm. 31:08 But some harm and not some harm to some people to benefit others. 31:14 No harm. 31:18 Informed consent. 31:20 I couldn't provide informed consent. 31:22 My brother didn't get informed consent. 31:25 How could he? 31:26 We didn't have enough information. 31:29 And when information was coming up about safety and concerns, I'm not allowed to talk about it. Speaker 3
31:39 Doctors like me are cut off. 31:46 Autonomy. Speaker 2
31:48 We respect every single human being's autonomy that is capable and competent to make a decision. 31:58 Nobody needed to make that decision for Scott. 32:00 Nobody needed to force anybody to take this. 32:03 If it was so good, trust me, humans will flock to it. 32:10 We know what's good for us, right? 32:13 And non-judgment, 32:18 As a doctor, I can sum up my job for you very, very easily. 32:25 I provide the most current and up-to-date information for whatever issue we're facing. 32:35 I give you all of the information. 32:37 You make your decision and I support your decision. 32:42 I do not judge you. 32:43 I do not tell you you made the wrong choice. 32:45 I do not tell you 32:47 that I am going to get rid of you as a patient. 32:53 No threats, no coercion, no force. 32:58 Humans don't need that. 32:59 And we've lost touch with the very fundamental basic principles. Speaker 1
33:06 And I'm so sorry to interrupt you. 33:07 I just know that the MPs want to interact with you. 33:10 And we're so short on time. 33:12 I want them to actually. 33:13 So if you can. Speaker 5
33:17 I've got Mr. Calkins and then Mr. Dawson. 33:22 I think I'm ready now. 33:25 Thanks for being here, Kristen. Speaker 3
33:28 Thanks for having me. Speaker 5
33:31 Scott worked for me for almost a decade. 33:35 And I don't have any expert knowledge that I could impart here other than just to say he was a great friend. 33:45 He was fiercely 33:47 Loyal. Speaker 5
33:48 I mean fiercely. Speaker 7
33:50 Oh, I know. Speaker 5
33:51 And in that decade, he worked with me. 33:55 He served the people of central Alberta that I represented with grace and dignity. 34:02 And I'll just recount a couple of stories. 34:05 So while he worked for me, he also had a friend, Spencer. 34:08 I don't know if you know Spencer. 34:09 Anyway, so Scott does make Glenn Motts look small, and Glenn Motts makes me look small, and I make most people look small. 34:16 But 34:17 Scott didn't make Spencer look small. 34:20 And I remember walking through the halls of this place with both of them dressed up in their black suits, white shirts, sunglasses, and ties. 34:27 And it was like the Red Sea parted everywhere I went because I had the best security team I could ever want. Speaker 2
34:34 That's amazing. Speaker 5
34:35 But more importantly, it was Scott's political acumen and his just sensibility. 34:42 He's a sensible man. Speaker 5
34:44 And every bit as much as he was fierce... 34:47 when he needed to be fierce. 34:48 He is every bit what you described. 34:50 Loving, big old teddy bear. 34:53 Loved sports. 34:54 Even though he was a large guy, he was otherwise healthy, strong, capable, and very confident in himself. 35:01 And there's no doubt in my mind these shots killed him. Speaker 2
35:07 It's already very clear. 35:13 It's very clear. 35:14 And it's irrefutable. 35:15 There's been 35:17 about 10 different doctors that have all signed off on it. 35:20 And he's gone through the vaccine injury program. 35:23 He's been compensated to some degree. Speaker 3
35:33 That was, it was a toxin. 35:35 It was toxic for him. Speaker 7
35:38 Thanks, Krista. 35:40 Mr. Dawson. Speaker 5
35:41 And Mr. Pearson. 35:42 Thanks for being here to tell Scott's story. 35:45 But how has it affected you 35:47 in your profession? 35:50 Going through the process of how things played out, knowing what you know. Speaker 2
35:59 So I'm a lot like my brother, and I'm fierce and soft and tender. 36:10 But I'm not willing to stray from my moral compass. 36:14 And Deanna mentioned that there was a legal change and patients weren't aware. 36:21 Well, guess what? 36:22 Physicians weren't actually aware either. 36:25 I have never been informed that I had to switch my care from the patient in front of me to the collective. 36:36 And I would not do that because that's not a physician's duty. 36:43 So I wouldn't participate in harm. 36:49 And I had some confrontations and objections with my College of Physicians and Surgeons. 36:58 And that started in 2020, well, 2021. 37:04 And my license was restricted. 37:14 I couldn't write vaccine exemptions. 37:17 And then it was suspended two weeks later without even finding out if I followed that. 37:24 And it's been suspended ever since because I've been trying to so-called fight legally this administrative giant. 37:38 And I've gotten nowhere with lawyers, without lawyers. 37:42 And I'm still suspended. Speaker 5
37:46 How do we stop this? 37:48 And where do we go from here? Speaker 2
37:53 It's a really great question. 37:55 And I think we need to start having some very real, raw, authentic conversations about what public organizations 38:11 protection really is and what it's not. 38:15 And I think we need, people need to be held accountable for the choices that they made that harmed people disproportionately to any kind of protection that could have been gained. 38:27 And I think that needs to happen now. 38:31 It was always a good time, but I mean, now and every day moving forward because we can't change the past. 38:40 And I, 38:40 would be more than happy and willing to have conversations with administrators, with regulators, with anyone, but they will not have the conversation. 38:50 So how I, I don't know the process of, of parliament and I'm a doctor. 38:56 I love being a doctor. 38:58 I want to get back to my patients. Speaker 1
39:00 That would be awesome. Speaker 2
39:02 But I don't know all of the red tape and all the hoops and 39:09 I don't play games, right? 39:11 I'm real. 39:13 And real life is very different than administration of medicine and using health crises as ways to remove the rights of individual people. 39:25 That can't happen. 39:28 Individual people look around and hear the stories. 39:33 They're sensible. 39:34 Scott was sensible. 39:36 I'm sensible. 39:37 And we can have 39:38 different views and opinions and perspectives, and they can all be true. 39:46 And nobody's harmed. 39:47 We have to stop harming. 39:50 We have to stop the harm now. Speaker 1
39:51 So, Crystal, I don't want to have to tell a witness that's ill and has traveled far and is going to be suffering and they can't testify today. 40:00 So if you could keep your answers short, because I know the MPs need to interact with you. 40:04 They need some healing. 40:05 Sorry. Speaker 7
40:09 Thanks, Mike. 40:10 Well, a final comment for Mr. Burson. Speaker 8
40:12 Yeah, well, Crystal, thanks for sharing your brother with us. 40:16 Many of us got to know him quite well around here. 40:19 Just short, if you can do it in a brief amount of time, you just talk a little bit about Scott's reaction to getting the settlement through the vaccine injury program. 40:31 I had a conversation with him about it. 40:34 He seemed somewhat relieved in the fact that 40:37 It was acknowledged that he was injured, but that was about the end of his relief. Speaker 2
40:42 Yeah, the vaccine injury program was very difficult to navigate. 40:50 Frustration after frustration. 40:51 He was not treated very well either during that process. 40:58 But I think for everybody who's had a vaccine injury, 41:06 The vast majority of them have been treated really unwell, poorly. 41:12 There's a lot of stigma now. 41:13 It's a stigma associated with it. 41:16 And so that validation gave him relief. 41:23 But the settlement or the reimbursement was not even close to what could cover anything for him or his future 41:36 that he's not here for his children. 41:38 It wasn't, it was shekels for his sacrifice. 41:43 And I think that that was also a slap in the face. 41:47 So at the same time that he felt a pang of relief, he also felt, you know, the thrust of disappointment and neglect. Speaker 7
42:03 Thank you. 42:04 And thanks for the questions. 42:06 Dr. 42:07 Crystal, you and I have had lots of conversations and I know your heart. Speaker 7
42:12 I know your story and I know that Doug Shipley, which is who your brother was working for most recently, wanted to be here today. 42:20 He had a trip planned months and months in advance and he sends his regret. 42:26 And I know that you've been talking with his office with him. 42:30 So I want to thank you once again, Crystal, for 42:34 coming here. 42:35 And I think it really speaks volumes to the fact that you would come here and tell Scott's story because Scott wanted to be here himself. Speaker 2
42:45 He did. 42:46 And it's one way that we can honour Scott. Speaker 7
42:50 100%. 42:51 So thank you for being here. 42:52 And I know you brought your aunt today. 42:55 So I thank you for coming as well. 42:59 Thanks so much. 43:00 Thanks, Christal.