Patricia Leidl
Day 3 · September 10, 2026 · 0:20:34
Key points Patricia Leidl, 64, a former director of communications at the World Health Organization who wrote the first draft of WHO's "State of the World's Vaccines," testifies about her injury. She says she was extremely fit, having done a 26-km hike shortly before her second shot, and took the vaccine to travel for a job in Europe. She says about a week after her second shot she collapsed with a racing heart, swelling, all-over neuropathic pain, a migraine, and light sensitivity, and was diagnosed with POTS. She says she was repeatedly told in emergency she had long COVID, though she did not actually contract COVID until two years later. She describes bloating from 130 to 200 pounds, boils from neck to knees for six months, postmenopausal bleeding after 12 years, breast swelling, and hearing loss with tinnitus. She says she has bilateral Achilles tendinopathy and brain fog, and has spent roughly $250,000 on treatments not covered by the medical plan. She argues she represents a large cohort told they have long COVID, that she lost friends and career prospects, and criticizes B.C.'s law restricting physician speech.
Speaker 1
0:01 So our next witness is Patricia Liddle. 0:05 Patricia, can you take the Bible in your right hand? 0:09 Patricia Liddle, do you swear? 0:10 Liddle. 0:11 Liddle. 0:11 I'm sorry. 0:12 Thank you for correcting me because names are important. Speaker 2
0:14 Yeah, I get Liddle all the time. Speaker 1
0:16 Right. 0:17 So Patricia Liddle, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? 0:25 So help me God. Speaker 2
0:26 I do. 0:27 So help me God. Speaker 1
0:28 Okay. 0:30 I'm going to lead you a little bit as I do most witnesses on their background. 0:37 But I did want to point out, you're going to talk about being injured, but you didn't have COVID until years later. 0:42 So this is something that happened after. 0:46 You are currently 64. 0:48 You are a former director of communications with the World Health Organization. 0:53 You were working for what was then their HIV department. 0:57 You have worked in communications for the U.S. Agency for International Development. 1:03 You were an advisor for the United Nations Population Fund in New York. 1:08 You were curiously, you wrote the first draft. 1:11 So you were the writer for Infectious Disease and the Vaccine Department at the World Health Organization when they put together a World Health Organization book called The State of the World's Vaccines. 1:23 You wrote the first draft of that. Speaker 2
1:25 That's correct. Speaker 1
1:26 And what your health before you were vaccinated. 1:33 So prior to your second shot, you had just done an extreme 26 K hike and you, you live on Vancouver Island. 1:42 Like it's not flat. 1:43 It's not flat. Speaker 2
1:44 It's very roadie. 1:46 It was, it was a pretty extreme height hike, I should say. Speaker 1
1:49 And you, you hiked, you cycled, you were just an extremely fit and active person. 1:55 And, 1:57 And why did you take the vaccine? 2:00 You've got a lot of background in vaccines. Speaker 2
2:02 Yeah, at the time, I was kind of suspicious about the narrative around COVID because I was listening, as everyone else was, to the death toll being announced by CBC every day. 2:14 And I knew that the death rate needed to be contextualized in terms of percentage per 100,000. 2:21 So if you actually do the math, the death rate was very, in fact, similar to seasonal flu 2:28 However, I was at that time unemployed. 2:31 I was between contracts and I was up for a job in Europe and I needed to get vaccinated in order to travel. 2:40 And I was offered the position. 2:42 I won't name the employer because it's not appropriate. 2:46 So I went ahead for the first shot and it was completely uneventful. 2:51 And I thought, okay, well, you know, I would go in for the second shot. 2:55 I was also on a list. 2:57 Because I had a pre-existing condition of high blood pressure, which is familial, I received the second shot five weeks later. 3:06 And I went ahead and did it. 3:07 Even though I had some doubts, I thought, maybe I'll get a sore arm, maybe I'll break out in hives. 3:12 You know, that's a possibility. 3:14 I did not expect what happened next. 3:20 And what happened next was about a week after the second vaccine, I got up out of bed. 3:26 And I collapsed. 3:28 And I collapsed with a racing heart. 3:32 I felt my face. 3:33 I had suddenly gotten very swollen. 3:35 My hands were swollen. 3:36 My feet were swollen. 3:39 Every single nerve ending in my body seemed to be shrieking with pain. 3:43 I had a migraine. 3:46 And I am not prone to migraines. 3:48 And it was a sunny day. 3:49 It was, you know, June the 17th. 3:51 Very warm weather at that time, just preceding the heat dome that others have mentioned. 3:57 And I could barely see because of the light in the room. 4:01 It was just scorching my retinas. 4:04 And I ended up crawling to the phone, and I got a friend to call, take me to emergency. Speaker 1
4:11 So when you say you collapsed, I mean, you literally collapsed on the floor. Speaker 2
4:15 I fell over. 4:16 I got out of bed, and I fell over. 4:19 And it was my tendons, but it was also just this unexpected... 4:23 pain and which I can, you know, in retrospect, I realized was a central nervous system, neuropathic kind of pain, but I had never experienced anything like it before. Speaker 1
4:34 OK, so you you get to the phone. Speaker 2
4:36 I get to the phone, get a friend to take me to emergency. 4:40 And by that point, I hadn't quite figured out that maybe there was a relationship with the vaccine. 4:46 They did several tests. 4:48 They found out that, in fact, I had POTS, which I had never heard of before. 4:53 And they sent me home with some medication, some pain and medication like Tramadol. 4:59 And I can't remember what the other medication was. 5:03 It was to try and slow down about my heart beating. 5:05 And I went home and it just continued. 5:09 And what followed was a series of visits to emergency wards. 5:16 I did, after a few days, realize that I was 5:20 suffering from the effects of a vaccine because it couldn't have been anything else. 5:24 I had been perfectly healthy the week before. 5:27 I kept on being told in emergency, oh, well, you've got long COVID. 5:30 Well, you know, I hadn't had COVID. 5:33 I didn't actually get COVID until two weeks, pardon me, two years afterwards. 5:38 And, you know, just what continued was this sort of terrible cycle of going into emergency, being, you know, told that I, at one point I was told that I 5:48 was suffering from some sort of mental ill health episode, even though at that point I had also swollen up. 5:56 So I went from being about 130 pounds within the space of two months, I went bloated up to 200 pounds. 6:04 I was like, I puffed up like a cane toad. Speaker 1
6:08 You also got boils. Speaker 2
6:10 I also got boils. 6:11 And you know, my memory is not great at the moment. 6:13 It was a bit of a blur, but I developed boils from neck to knees. 6:18 And so I was this grotesque, unrecognizable version of myself. 6:22 I could not walk. 6:23 You know, the previous week I'd done this 26K hike up in Strathcona Park. 6:29 It was, you know, an extreme hike. 6:31 It was on the extreme scale. 6:33 And then a week after, I could barely walk a block without having to sit down and weep with pain. 6:40 And then I... Speaker 1
6:41 I want to go back to the boils because when we were having earlier discussions, when you literally described you had these for six months. Speaker 1
6:50 And you used the term today and you used it in an earlier interview, unrecognizable. 6:55 Like you would not recognize yourself because of these boils. Speaker 2
6:59 Well, they were from my neck to my knees. 7:02 So fortunately, just mostly on my torso. 7:05 I do have photographs. 7:06 I didn't really feel like sharing them, you know, in a public venue. 7:10 But... 7:11 I was recognizable in terms of, you know, how large I had gotten so quickly. 7:16 And I was being told that, you know, when I went into emergency yet again, I had a physician, emergency room physician surveyed the boils. 7:28 I told him what had happened and he treated me with extreme contempt and prescribed a tube of cortisone cream, which was about this big. 7:38 And these boils were confluent boils. 7:41 You know, they were substantial boils. 7:44 And I got a cream, you know, a prescription for cortisone cream. Speaker 1
7:50 Now, at that time, you had been 18 years past menopause. Speaker 2
7:56 At that time, it was 12 years. Speaker 1
7:59 So 12 years. 8:00 But something happened. 8:01 Your period started again. Speaker 2
8:02 My period started, yes. Speaker 1
8:04 And that ran for four menstrual cycles. Speaker 2
8:06 Yeah, and I wouldn't really call them cycles because there was nothing particularly, they were quite random sort of bleeding. 8:15 And my breasts became very swollen. 8:18 I went up about three sizes, which has not normalized. 8:23 Again, another surreal encounter with a physician, a GP who specialized in women's health. 8:29 And I think this is really important to note because I spoke to her because I went in to get it, you know, 8:35 you know, I needed, you know, I was potentially at risk for cancer or some other complication. 8:42 And she said to me very early, she said, oh, well, you know, that's happening to everyone. 8:48 The train has left the station on that one. 8:50 And this was specifically about the vaccine. 8:53 So this physician who specialized in women's health was telling me with apparently great unconcern that many of her patients were presenting with the same 9:05 Absolutely strange symptoms, which as somebody who had worked on a publication about vaccines, I had never heard about as ever, you know, being the result of any vaccine. Speaker 1
9:18 But you mean the postmenopausal bleeding? 9:22 Yes, and also the breast swelling. Speaker 2
9:25 And I also heard from other friends of mine that that had happened to them as well. 9:29 This was not an uncommon reaction. Speaker 1
9:33 Right. 9:34 You also had bilateral Achilles tendinopathy? Speaker 2
9:39 Yes, I've continued to deal with that. 9:42 It is improving. 9:43 I've spent a fortune on physiotherapy, prolotherapy, something called PRP, hydroluoronic acid injections, lumbar injections, spinal injections. 9:55 I work with a pain clinic in Vancouver that has been very helpful. 9:58 And I'm more mobile than I was the last time I testified. 10:03 So that is something. 10:06 But it's cost me, I figure I've spent about $250,000 trying to get well. Speaker 1
10:15 Right. 10:15 And you spoke about brain fog. 10:18 Can you describe that to us? Speaker 2
10:21 Yes. 10:22 The migraine that I mentioned earlier lasted for about a year. 10:26 And what I also failed to mention was that I lost my hearing on my right side. 10:30 So all of this occurred all at once. 10:33 So I woke up that morning. 10:35 I was deaf. 10:36 I couldn't walk. 10:37 I'm, you know, there's such a constellation of symptoms that I actually forget what happened. 10:43 But, you know, exhibit A, my hearing aid. 10:48 I'm almost completely deaf in the right ear. 10:51 And as long as the hearing loss has come tinnitus and brain fog, 10:56 So my memory is very faulty. 10:58 I used to have a very good memory. 11:00 I think my friends could probably testify that I was quite smart. 11:07 And over the last five years, I have noticed a real deterioration in my cognitive function. Speaker 1
11:17 What's been the experience mentally and emotionally with what you've gone through? Speaker 2
11:22 Well, 11:23 It's first of all, there's the loss of function. 11:26 My life has become very small and I would say quite unsatisfactory. 11:32 I get up in the morning, I make coffee, I go to bed, I get up, I walk the dog, I go back to bed, I get up, I do some errands, I go back to bed. 11:46 And this is what it has been day after day, you know, throughout the last five years. 11:53 many of my friends have chosen to back away from the friendship because they, even when I became unrecognizable and I couldn't walk, they chose not to believe me. 12:07 So, and they, you know, I also come from a journalism background, so many of my associates and former colleagues decided basically to disassociate with me. 12:18 I'd become somehow... 12:20 socially contaminated because I insisted that what had happened to me was a result of the vaccine reaction, which was in fact confirmed by several doctors. 12:31 A report was sent to Health Canada before the clamp on doctor freedom of speech or physician or healthcare freedom of speech really came down in BC. Speaker 1
12:48 And just tell us about that. 12:50 what the law in BC, as your understanding is? Speaker 2
12:53 There's something called the Health Care and Occupations Act, which passed a few years ago and was operationalized in April the 1st. 13:01 And that basically criminalizes any physician or health care worker who speaks and who basically spreads misinformation, which is very much in the eye of the government or deemed by what the government chooses it to be. 13:17 And that also involves the delicensing of said healthcare professionals and six months potentially in jail. 13:27 And that is now the law in BC. Speaker 3
13:32 Patricia, thank you very much for your testimony. 13:34 Any colleagues have any questions? 13:35 I know I have some. 13:37 So I just like, you know, one of the things that we hear over and over again is the additional costs in terms of trying to get help medically. 13:46 You mentioned a quarter of a million dollars. Speaker 2
13:48 I have spent a quarter million dollars. 13:51 What types of things? 13:52 I have spent it on hyperbaric oxygen therapy. 13:57 I have spent it primarily on physiotherapy supplements. 14:02 A lot of the treatments that I've received are not covered by the medical plan. 14:08 I do have some additional insurance, but basically I'm spending this out of my own funds. 14:15 Fortunately for me in my previous work, I did receive danger pay. 14:19 I worked in Afghanistan and a few other places, so that has represented a cushion. 14:25 But other people I know have not been nearly as fortunate. Speaker 3
14:31 Mr. Motz, and then I'll go over to Mr. Dahl. Speaker 4
14:34 Thank you for your testimony today, Ms. Lytle. 14:39 You kind of alluded to it a little bit. 14:40 I just want to dig a little deeper. 14:42 Early on, 14:45 Did you ever find it necessary to refrain from discussing the injuries you were experiencing and the symptoms you had for fear of repercussions, whether it be your employment? 15:00 You talked about you losing some friends. 15:03 Was that something that you experienced? Speaker 2
15:06 It's something I thought about because I realized I testified at the National Citizens Inquiry and I realized that I probably would never get hired again. 15:16 for anything, but I felt that it was very important to tell the truth, that there was too much gaslighting going on, that I myself experienced personal humiliation and considerable degradation while I sought care. 15:30 And I just, I think it was just pure cussedness. 15:35 I was not going to let this happen to me. 15:38 And I felt it was a responsibility to speak out, even if it meant losing friends, 15:44 or having to deal with the inevitable eye roll, switch the topic of conversation. 15:52 It just became to me very, the more that happened, the more determined I was to speak out. 15:59 And I understand that my injuries are not as severe as some of those that have testified at this inquiry, but I also believe that I represent a large cohort of the population who've been told that they've got long COVID, 16:14 or that their maladies are associated with aging or some other issue. 16:21 And I think there are many, many of us. Speaker 3
16:26 Thank you. 16:27 Dr. Torre, I do thank you for that because you did mention, doctors mentioning a lot of other ladies coming up with similar symptoms and challenges, but not everyone's willing to talk about it. 16:39 So I guess the challenge is that people don't want to talk about it because 16:43 They're afraid of the reaction that people are getting. 16:46 You're extremely articulate and knowledgeable. 16:49 And yet somehow when we start talking about vaccine injuries, it's like none of us that are talking don't have a brain anymore, right? 16:56 We're not allowed to talk about this stuff. 16:58 And it blows me away. 17:00 someone is articulate and someone has got the great CV like you, involved with the WHO, that you would have anyone that would challenge what you have to say. Speaker 2
17:11 Well, thank you. 17:12 That's very kind of you. 17:13 But there's been a mass abrogation of critical thinking, to say the least. 17:19 And I find it fascinating that I am somebody who worked for four decades in human rights, specifically women's rights, 17:28 People that I had known for decades suddenly lumped me or defined me as some sort of right wing nut because I have a vaccine injury and I'm vocal about it. 17:40 And I think it just speaks to the sort of dystopian kind of environment that we've moved into that people are so willing, you know, that it takes so little to divide us. 17:52 You know, entire families were divided, communities were divided, people just 17:57 allowed fear to determine reality. 18:04 And I'm just very grateful for this opportunity to speak here. 18:07 And even though I must say the last five years have been extremely isolating and my faith in human nature was somewhat shaky to begin with, it's kind of destroyed now, but I am meeting some of the best people I've ever met throughout these last five years. 18:23 So there has been a silver lining. Speaker 3
18:28 Thank you. 18:28 We appreciate you sharing your testimony. 18:30 Mr. Dole, this is the last time. Speaker 5
18:32 Thank you, Patricia, for your courage and for standing up and sharing your story. 18:39 I'm a member of Parliament from British Columbia and so very much aware of what is happening provincially as well as nationally. 18:47 You can just talk a bit more about your work 18:55 in who, I believe with vaccines too. 18:58 I'm not sure if you had some papers on that and what's happened to you. 19:02 Was it in sync with your research or was it just a... Speaker 2
19:05 It was, quite honestly, it was just a contract. 19:08 It was, I mean, I worked at WHO for quite a few years, but initially I started off doing contract work. 19:15 And between that, you know, work in, you know, the human security report and then work for the United Nations Population Fund, then back to WHO, 19:24 But vis-a-vis the book that I, the first draft that I wrote on the vaccines was called the State of the World's Vaccines. 19:32 It was in 2002. 19:35 And even then, as I was writing the book, I was writing a section on the coronavirus and how there could never be a vaccine that would be effective against a coronavirus because it mutates too quickly. 19:48 And so I was very surprised when 19:51 suddenly there's a vaccine for a coronavirus, and most vaccines take typically between seven to 15 years to come to market. 19:59 This one came within six months, involving a novel coronavirus, a novel mRNA platform, and then on top of this, this virus that presumably mutates too quickly for a vaccine to be effective. 20:18 But I myself, like many others, trotted down and dutifully put out our arms. 20:23 And, you know, here we are. Speaker 3
20:26 Thanks. 20:27 That's all the time we have. 20:28 Appreciate it. 20:28 Patricia, thank you so much. Speaker 2
20:30 Thank you for this opportunity. 20:32 Thanks.