Dr. Charles Hoffe
Day 2 · September 9, 2026 · 0:40:19
Key points Dr. Charles Hoffe, a family and former ER doctor in the small, mostly First Nations community of Lytton, B.C. since 1993, testifies as a witness doctor. He says COVID fear was overblown, his ER was the quietest ever, and his community had no patients requiring hospital care for COVID before the ER burned down in June 2021. He argues that COVID cases and vaccine injuries surged only after the vaccine rollout, citing the Cleveland Clinic study suggesting more shots correlated with more COVID. He says he saw neurological injuries in patients, including burning pain, weakness, dizziness, and cranial neuropathies such as one 38-year-old with five cranial nerve palsies. He says neurology departments at three major hospitals refused urgent referrals once he identified the cause as vaccine injury. He recounts writing an open letter to Dr. Bonnie Henry about deaths and disabilities among his first 900 Moderna patients, and being reprimanded and reported to the College. He says vaccine-injury reports he filed were returned as "coincidences" without investigation, and the College dropped its charges only after eight expert witnesses backed his defense, calling the process a deterrent.
Speaker 1
0:00 So our next witness is Dr. Charles Hoff. 0:05 Charles, I didn't ask you if you're open to swearing on the Bible or whether you'd like to... Speaker 2
0:09 I would like to swear on the Bible. Speaker 1
0:11 If you'd take the Bible in your right hand. 0:15 Dr. Charles Hoff, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Speaker 1
0:23 Now, you're a medical doctor. 0:26 Can you describe for us where your practice is and 0:31 Kind of describe your practice and how long you've been there. Speaker 2
0:35 I'm a family doctor and former ER doctor. 0:40 I live and work in Lytton, B.C. 0:43 It's a small, mostly First Nations community in the southern interior of British Columbia. 0:49 And I've been there since 1993. Speaker 1
0:51 So don't make me do the math. 0:55 How many years is that? Speaker 2
0:56 So that's 23 years. 0:57 Okay. 0:57 Okay. Speaker 1
1:00 So you and you're are you the only doctor? Speaker 2
1:03 I'm the only doctor that lives in that town. 1:05 There are some others that come in periodically that sort of cycle through it. 1:09 But no, I'm the only I'm the town doctor. Speaker 1
1:12 OK, so you're the town doctor. 1:14 And in this like Lytton really is. 1:19 Out of the way, like, isn't it like three and a half hours to. 1:24 It's about four hours to Vancouver, three hours to Kelowna, two hours to Kamloops. 1:29 Right, but Kamloops and Kelowna themselves are small cities. 1:33 Yes. 1:33 Okay, so you're the doctor, 33 years. 1:40 Can you tell us what happened when COVID hit? Speaker 2
1:44 When COVID hit, obviously there was a lot of hype from the legacy media that 1:53 And I was initially quite afraid. 1:56 I heard that there were doctors and nurses in China who were dying trying to save these desperately ill people. 2:03 And so the first thing that happened was that the regional health authority divided our ER into two parts, a COVID section and a non-COVID section. 2:14 They made a negative pressure room where we were going to be putting people on ventilators. 2:19 And we were expecting the tsunami of 2:22 desperately ill patients to come in. 2:24 We had to practice suiting up in hazmat suits and taking them off in the right sequence and, you know, and running drills, basically getting ready for all of these desperately ill patients. Speaker 1
2:34 So one thing that's interesting is, you know, we had Senator Johnson here yesterday and he's talking about the Fauci diaries. 2:42 I mean, this is the guy that really for the world set the stage and anyone can read these diaries. 2:50 They've been released. 2:51 to the public. 2:54 And it's clear that, you know, Fauci is discussing with other people how this is really no worse than a bad flu season. Speaker 1
3:03 And we have every few years we have a bad flu season. 3:06 So really, there was nothing unusual. 3:09 This is going to be a bad flu season, according to the expert. 3:12 And I think you'd agree with me. 3:14 We now know that if the government hadn't done anything, we would have had a bad flu season. 3:19 But what does it do psychologically to healthcare workers like yourself when you're being told, no, this is it. 3:26 This is like the 1918 flu. 3:30 This is like you guys are going through drills where you're going into hazmat suits. 3:36 You're building a negative pressure room. 3:39 What does this do to the psychological makeup of the healthcare people that are now expecting this, I think you said, tsunami of COVID cases? Speaker 2
3:48 it was clearly designed to create fear. 3:53 And fear in the 3:56 in the medical community, in the whole community. 3:59 And our ER was literally the quietest that it had ever been. 4:04 People were too afraid. 4:05 People were sitting at home with chest pain and serious things that should have come into the ER. 4:10 And they were too afraid to go to the ER because they thought that's where all the dying COVID people are. 4:17 And so in DR ERs all over the country, 4:22 The staff were twiddling their thumbs waiting for the tsunami. Speaker 1
4:26 And I'm just going to stop you there because that's going to shock people. 4:31 Because the mainstream media was basically telling us that ER rooms were full. 4:38 Yes. 4:38 Like we saw those stories. 4:40 And I know from other proceedings I've been in and other doctors that I've questioned under oath that they've said the same things as you. 4:50 that their ERs were empty. 4:51 They've never been so slow. 4:53 And I know I personally had to go to the ER twice during COVID just actually because I got wounded and then got infected. 5:03 And so they had to cut it open and redo it. 5:06 And I walked in and there's no one there and I'm treated right away. 5:09 And the second time they actually, can some med students come and can we film this? 5:16 wound care, because we have nothing to do. 5:19 I've never experienced that before, where twice I walk into ER and it's empty, and I'm the only one there, and there's nothing happening. 5:30 There's no other patients. 5:32 There's nothing happening. 5:33 And that's what you experienced. Speaker 2
5:35 That is exactly what I experienced. 5:37 And the crazy part was... 5:41 In Lytton, where I worked, and apparently it was right across the world because I have family in South Africa, and they told me it was the same. 5:46 At 7 o'clock in the evening, people would come out and they would sort of parade past these ERs, honking their horns, you know, and thanking these frontline heroes that are saving all these lives. 6:00 And I would go and stand there while all these community members were driving by with signs, you know, thank you, heroes. 6:08 And I felt like a complete fraud because we hadn't had a single COVID patient, not one. 6:15 And in fact, you know, so our ER happened to burn to the ground 18 months after the start of the pandemic. 6:24 And by that time, we still had not had one single patient in our town that needed any care for COVID whatsoever. 6:33 And so I felt like a complete fraud because I was the hero that had done nothing. Speaker 1
6:37 So how far into the pandemic was it? Speaker 2
6:40 That it burned. 6:41 So the pandemic started beginning of 2020 and it all burned on the end of June 2021. 6:47 So it was pretty well done. Speaker 1
6:49 And not a single case. Speaker 2
6:52 Not even just in the ER. 6:53 In the entire community, there hadn't been a single. 6:56 There'd been people with COVID, but it was just a bad flu. 7:01 Nobody needed hospital care. 7:02 Nobody. 7:03 No, it was absurd. Speaker 1
7:07 Okay. 7:07 So I think that's going to shock some people. 7:10 Yeah. 7:11 So now things change, though, when the vaccine comes out. Speaker 1
7:18 Can you share what your experience with the vaccine was? Speaker 2
7:22 Yes, that's when the ER started to get busy because, you know, as Senator Johnson mentioned yesterday, one of the side effects of the vaccine was that you would get COVID. 7:34 You know, it literally, and of course, these people who got COVID, 7:39 COVID, within two weeks of their vaccination, was still considered unvaccinated. 7:45 You weren't statistically considered vaccinated until two weeks after your second shot. 7:52 So they would quote this as unvaccinated people with COVID. 7:56 Meanwhile, the reason why they had it was because their immune system was suppressed by their COVID shot, and they were more likely to get COVID. 8:05 And so that's when all the COVID 8:09 cases really started needing care was once the vaccine rollout started. 8:15 And it wasn't just people with COVID, but it was also the vaccine injuries. Speaker 1
8:20 So again, I think that's a point that will shock people. 8:24 And I know that when Senator Johnson was here yesterday, he was also talking about that, how there's evidence that the more shots you had, and we're going to have a witness testify with 8:37 brand new research using Ontario health data, showing I think about six months into the pandemic, it seemed that the vaccine was causing COVID or a side effect of the vaccine is you're more likely to catch COVID 8:54 And I think the first study that came out that I became aware of was the Cleveland Clinic. 8:58 Correct. 8:59 Can you share, you're familiar with that? 9:00 I'm quite familiar, yeah. 9:02 What did that study show? 9:03 And can you explain what the Cleveland Clinic was and how they collected that data? Speaker 2
9:06 Yeah, so that Cleveland study was, I mean, there's since been a number of other studies that have retested that. 9:13 So that was research done, I believe it was to test the effectiveness of the COVID booster that was designed for the Omicron variant. 9:24 variant. 9:26 And so this was a study on 51,000 healthcare workers in Cleveland. 9:34 It was basically a study designed to show how effective this booster was. 9:39 And so they this was health care workers. 9:42 And so not all of them had had the vaccines because they weren't mandated there. 9:47 So some had had none. 9:48 Some had had one shot. 9:49 Some had had two. 9:51 And at that point, the Omicron one was there. 9:53 Some people had had four shots. 9:56 And what they found was a direct correlation that the people that were getting COVID the least were the unvaccinated. 10:04 And literally the more shots you had, the more often and the more likely you would get COVID and the people that had it the most, were getting COVID the most, were the most vaccinated. 10:16 In other words, the people that had had the Omicron booster. Speaker 1
10:24 One of the things that's interesting about 10:26 And as you say, and I'm aware that there are other studies. 10:30 In fact, I don't think there's a study that shows anything different. 10:33 And this inquiry is going to have some original research using Ontario data to show the same thing. 10:40 There's a portion of the population that everyone understands there's deaths around us and injuries. 10:46 And I mean, here we've had all this testimony today about that. 10:51 But a large number of people believe that, well, yeah, but it's caused by long COVID. 10:56 So thank goodness we had the vaccine to protect people from long COVID. 11:00 They might be shocked to learn that no, actually the vaccine, the major side effect is that you're more likely to get COVID. 11:06 So if long COVID is the cause of this, then by that logic, long COVID is a vaccine injury. Speaker 1
11:12 Let alone, we also know that likely it's more vaccine injury than long COVID anyway. Speaker 2
11:19 But the other thing that this shows is that the vaccine rollout prolonged the pandemic. 11:26 by making people more likely to get COVID. 11:29 So rather than this being our way out of the pandemic, it did the exact opposite. 11:35 Because more people got COVID, the more boosters you got, the more likely you would get COVID. 11:42 And so, I mean, there's so much data from it. Speaker 1
11:46 I want to bring this back down to your experience, though. 11:50 So people are coming in for COVID in your community, but it's just 11:54 nothing that requires hospitalization or anything different than how you treat a flu. 12:00 What type of injuries were you seeing from the vaccine and what did you do about it? Speaker 2
12:04 Well, so initially I saw neurological injuries. 12:07 So people say, well, what's a neurological injury? 12:10 So you may have noticed from the many of the witnesses that we've had here, a very common side effect was pain. 12:19 You know, some have complained of literally bleeding. 12:22 like a fire in their brain, burning in their head. 12:26 I had patients with burning under their feet, burning in their hands, burning in some parts of their body. 12:32 But for other people, it was just shooting pains. 12:36 Many people described like electrical jolts shooting down their limbs that would keep them up all night or just be day and night, just tortured by pain. 12:47 So pain was a frequent one, but the other one was weakness. 12:51 where they now had difficulty walking or difficulty. 12:54 I had three patients with weak hands. 12:58 I mean, one of them, and it was equally weak on both sides, which means that this is something that's affected your brain 13:06 Well, it would either have to be both sides of your brain or your spinal cord for it to have a symmetrical weakness. 13:13 So I had one lady who said she had to get all the door handles in her house changed because they were round knobs. 13:21 And she, even with both hands, didn't have enough strength to open the doors in her house. 13:26 So she had to have them switched to a change to a lever type door handle. 13:32 So weakness, dizziness. 13:36 light sensitivity, sound sensitivity, cranial neuropathies. 13:41 So we've had a couple of people here with Bell's palsies. 13:44 I had one 38-year-old patient who had five cranial nerves. 13:48 So Bell's palsy is a cranial nerve, seventh cranial nerve paralysis. 13:53 So I had one patient, 38 years old, who had five cranial. 13:56 So she first got an 13:58 Bell's palsy on one side, a month later on the other side. 14:01 She couldn't move her tongue, so she could hardly speak and had difficulty eating. 14:06 She had terrible trigeminal pain, which is pain in your face. 14:10 And these are 14:13 So initially, so this was mostly what I was seeing initially with these neurological injuries. 14:20 So the first thing I did was to try and find a neurologist who would assess these patients. 14:25 And so I phoned three major regional hospitals that I usually send patients to. 14:31 I phoned Royal Inland Hospital in Kamloops. 14:35 I'm getting no joy there. 14:37 I phoned Vancouver General Hospital and St. Paul's, who are the two biggest hospitals in Vancouver. 14:43 Phone their neurology departments and say, I've got six seriously injured people from the COVID vaccines. 14:50 They need to be urgently assessed to find out what's going on and what do we do. 14:56 And in every case, as soon as you say it's a vaccine injury, the phone would go silent and they'd say, this is not our field of expertise. 15:06 Try elsewhere. 15:07 And they wouldn't touch it. 15:09 They wouldn't touch it. 15:11 And eventually I said, well, this is way out of my realm as a family doctor. 15:18 I've never seen such things before. 15:21 And so they gave me the name of a neurologist who they thought might be willing. 15:25 So I sent him six referral letters on my six most seriously injured neurological patients and marked them as urgent referrals. 15:33 They were given appointments for five months ahead. 15:37 Because as soon as you say it's vaccine, they don't want to touch it. 15:41 So with one of them, who was the 38-year-old with five cranial nerve palsies, on the day that he finally saw her, he admitted her to St. Paul's Hospital for eight days to try and figure out what was going on. 15:54 I mean, she'd waited five months for her appointment, and she instantly admitted. 15:59 So, I mean, these people, I think, I don't know whether they thought I was exaggerating. 16:05 And, of course, it doesn't show on the test. 16:07 This is like a stealth weapon. 16:08 What this... 16:10 Spike protein did. 16:12 I mean, I can see why it's, you know, it was the first patent art was. Speaker 1
16:16 So can I just back up because I'm curious. 16:20 You're phoning the neurology departments in Royal Inland Hospital. Speaker 1
16:27 And then VGA and then. 16:29 And St. Paul. 16:30 St. Paul's. 16:31 And I imagine normally when you call and do a referral, they just set up the referral. Speaker 2
16:36 Well, normally, if you phone, they will say, OK, have them come in to the ER. Speaker 1
16:42 Has this ever happened where they've refused to refer? Speaker 2
16:45 No, they don't. Speaker 1
16:46 So it's because it was so that the changed factor was vaccine entry. 16:51 Exactly. Speaker 2
16:54 And, you know, the crazy thing was so so. 16:57 So I sent a letter to Dr. Bonnie Henry, who's our provincial... We're going to pull that up. Speaker 1
17:02 Oh, are you? 17:02 Okay. 17:03 Okay. 17:03 So, but first, before we do, I guess, tell us why you wrote the letter. Speaker 1
17:08 And then, you know, we'll pull the letter up just so people can see it, and then you can tell us what happened. Speaker 2
17:14 Sure. 17:14 So what happened was... 17:18 First, when I became aware of safety signals, I tried to alert my colleagues in the area to these safety signals and was immediately reprimanded by the regional health authorities. 17:30 And they told me that I was putting people at risk by creating vaccine hesitancy. 17:35 And they said, we're sending this email that you sent out as a complaint to the College of Physicians and Surgeons. 17:42 You are not allowed to say anything negative about this vaccine. 17:46 in the course of your work. 17:48 And if you've got any questions about it, you need to send it to the regional health officer. Speaker 1
17:54 So I just want to slow you down. 17:58 really what you're seeing is a cluster of vaccine injuries. Speaker 2
18:01 Well, initially with that, no, because I'd been away on holiday and I hadn't seen my patients for five weeks and I didn't know what was happening. 18:09 And I got back and AstraZeneca had been shut down in Europe in 12 countries and Trudeau had ordered 60 million doses and said, no, it's fine for Canadians. 18:19 And I sent a letter to my colleagues saying, there is a serious safety signal. 18:24 12 countries in Europe have shut this down. 18:26 Trudeau says it's fine. 18:29 I think we need to pause and take stock. 18:33 And I was reprimanded for that. 18:38 And so when I came back from holiday. Speaker 1
18:42 When you say you were reprimanded, so you mean public health? 18:46 Is that the reprimand? Speaker 2
18:47 Well, no, it was my superiors at Royal Inland Hospital phoned me. 18:53 I had a teleconference with two of them and one of me. 18:57 And they told me that I was putting people at risk by creating vaccine. 19:01 In other words, for pointing out safety signals, you're putting people at risk. 19:07 So they gave me effectively a gag order. 19:10 They said, you're not allowed to say anything negative about it. 19:14 If you've got any questions, they gave me the name of the person that I needed to send the questions to. 19:21 So when I then was back at work and started seeing my vaccine-injured patients coming in, and I'd been their family doctor for 28 years at that point, and I was horrified. 19:32 I was absolutely horrified. 19:35 And 19:37 And so I then sent a letter to this person that they had told me to direct my questions to. 19:47 And so she was the one that ultimately I sent all the vaccine injury reports to. 19:51 But I sent her this letter saying, this is what I'm seeing. 19:53 What do I do? 19:56 What's the diagnosis? 19:57 I've never seen this before. 19:58 How do I treat it? 20:00 I'm their family doctor. 20:01 I don't even know what the diagnosis is. 20:03 I've never seen this kind of thing before. 20:06 And so she sent that to the college as a complaint that I was obviously saying something negative about the vaccine now. Speaker 1
20:16 So I just want to be clear because you're a doctor and you're actually going up to your superiors. 20:22 There's a hierarchy here. 20:25 And you're saying this is what I'm seeing. 20:27 What do I do? Speaker 2
20:29 Yes. 20:30 So she never responded to that. 20:33 She sent it to the college as a complaint. 20:36 So I then sent that letter. 20:39 So let's put this letter up. 20:42 So that letter was to Dr. Bonnie Henry, who's the provincial health officer in B.C., to tell her that 900, was it 900? 20:53 Yeah, the first 900 of my patients had received the first dose of Moderna. 20:59 And I told her about what, you know, one patient had died suddenly. 21:04 Two had anaphylactic shock immediately afterwards. 21:08 Three looked like they were going to be permanently disabled. 21:10 And you can't necessarily say that a disability is permanent after only three months, but they sure looked like they were going to be permanently disabled because they'd had their shots in January and this was now April. 21:22 So I sent her this letter, but because I was, I had a sort of a sense of real urgency that I knew these people had been 21:34 And so people were terrified of COVID. 21:37 So they were lining up for these shots to keep them safe. 21:40 And I realized that they had been... We knew at that point that the recovery rate was the same as the flu. 21:48 We knew that. 21:49 Yet people didn't believe that, you know, because all these people are supposed to be dying. 21:56 And so... 21:58 I sent that letter to her, but I sent it as an open letter because I'm not a social media person. 22:03 I've never, ever put anything on social media. 22:07 I didn't know how else to try and warm the world. 22:10 And fortunately, that 22:13 A lot of people saw that. 22:15 And a lot of people who were suspicious about this thought, ha, finally, here is a doctor saying what he's just talking about what's happening to his patients. 22:27 And what came of that letter? 22:30 Well, so... 22:33 The response of the college was to then send a warning letter to every single registered doctor saying that if they spread misinformation about COVID or the COVID vaccines, that they would be put under investigation and, if necessary, disciplined. Speaker 1
22:49 And I'm just going to stop you. 22:51 I bet you, Dr. Hoff, that every doctor in British Columbia knew what was meant by the term misinformation. Speaker 1
22:58 And what was meant by the term misinformation? Speaker 2
23:03 Well, in medical school, you are taught that vaccines save millions and millions of lives and that the vaccines are the greatest triumph of science and medicine in human history. 23:20 And that's what you're taught. 23:23 And therefore, vaccines are sort of like 23:26 like holy ground. 23:27 You don't say anything negative about a vaccine because this is the greatest triumph of science and medicine and human history. 23:35 That's where the term anti-vaxxer, you know, to be an anti-vaxxer is a bit like being a Holocaust denier. 23:41 You don't go there. 23:44 So 23:45 So, I mean, and that's why doctors are so hesitant to report vaccine injuries. 23:51 I mean, they had mentioned about the study done by Harvard in 2010 that showed that 0.8% of vaccine injuries are ever reported. 24:01 And that's not COVID, that's all vaccines, 0.8%. 24:06 Doctors are very hesitant to blame vaccines for anything. Speaker 1
24:10 So on that point, you, because actually by law in Canada, 24:15 you're obligated to report what you believe is a vaccine injury. 24:19 Correct. 24:20 So by law, you've got this obligation. Speaker 1
24:24 You have a number of vaccine with who you believe are vaccine injured patients. Speaker 1
24:28 So do you follow the law and submit vaccine injury reports? Speaker 2
24:32 Well, I did and I tried. 24:34 So the other response to that letter was Dr. Bonnie Henry. 24:38 She never replied to it. 24:40 But she referred this to her top vaccine safety specialist, who was Dr. Monica Knauss. 24:46 So I was offered a telephone meeting with her. 24:49 And at that meeting... 24:57 I explained to her what I've seen as a family doctor, what's happening to my patients. 25:02 And her response was to assure me that these were not vaccine injuries. 25:06 Now, she hadn't seen or assessed any of my patients in any way. 25:11 But yet she said, these are not vaccine injuries. 25:13 These must be all coincidences. 25:16 And I said, well... 25:19 I don't know what to do. 25:20 I don't know how to treat this. 25:22 I don't know what the diagnosis is. 25:24 I've tried these three hospitals, three neurology departments in major referral hospitals. 25:30 No one will touch this with a 10-foot pole. 25:32 Please will you help me to find a neurologist who will assess these patients urgently? 25:37 And she said, no, I can't do that. 25:40 So I said, well, how do I get somebody to see them? 25:43 How do I get a specialist to assess these patients? 25:46 She said, don't tell them it's a vaccine injury. 25:49 Those were her words. Speaker 1
25:54 Now, what happened to the vaccine entry reports that you filed? Speaker 2
25:58 So I started submitting these reports. 26:01 And the first, after I'd sent the first six, they were this regional health officer, not Dr. Bonnie Henry, but the regional one that I was told to direct my questions to was having a 26:14 press conferences and things saying that what I was saying was untrue, that there was no vaccine injuries, that what I was claiming as vaccine injuries was completely unfounded, again, without investigating any of the things that I was trying to report. 26:29 And so I assumed, well, 26:32 OK, let's give her the benefit of the doubt. 26:33 Maybe she's never got the six vaccine injury reports that I've submitted. 26:37 So then I redid them all. 26:39 And each one is nine pages. 26:41 It's a laborious. 26:42 I figured I'd probably take you 25 minutes to do each one and you get paid zero. 26:47 So, you know, so anyway, I then started sending them by registered mail so that somebody had to sign for them so that they couldn't say they didn't get them. 26:56 And after I'd sent 14 and every single one was returned to me saying, look, these are not vaccine injuries. 27:03 These are all coincidences. Speaker 1
27:04 So, so there were real responses then when you sent them registered mail. Speaker 2
27:09 Yes. 27:10 They then, they then responded and told me they weren't vaccine injuries. Speaker 1
27:14 And I just want everyone to totally understand. 27:16 So you've been the doctor of these patients at this point for like. Speaker 2
27:21 It's 28 years. 27:22 28 years. 27:22 Um, Speaker 1
27:25 You've got their medical charts. 27:27 You've got this history. 27:29 They're coming to you. 27:30 You're examining them. 27:31 Did anyone from this office ask for a single patient's charts? Speaker 2
27:36 No, no. 27:37 I never got a phone call. 27:39 They never spoke to me. 27:40 They wouldn't speak to me. Speaker 1
27:41 And they didn't speak to your patients? Speaker 2
27:44 Well, I asked some of them. 27:45 Some of them said a nurse phoned them. 27:50 But these were people who should have been assessed by a neurologist. Speaker 1
27:55 And one of who was admitted into the hospital once they were. Speaker 2
27:58 Well, yeah, yeah. 28:00 Well, I mean, so, but that was, so, so in other words, public health that were rolling this out, when you're, when you're rolling out a new experimental treatment, you should be monitoring it very carefully. 28:12 There was no follower. 28:14 There was all there was, was a denial that it could possibly do harm. Speaker 1
28:19 And so, and then I just got two quick things because we were running out of time. 28:23 So, 28:24 You actually were professionally disciplined, meaning that you were charged by the college. 28:30 But they backed down. Speaker 1
28:32 After after a lot of headache for you and that you were told the reason why they backed down. Speaker 2
28:38 Yes. 28:39 So so I had eight brilliant expert witnesses. 28:46 I had Dr. James Thorpe, who's going to be testifying here. 28:50 I had Dr. Peter McCulloch. 28:52 I had Dr. Pierre Corey. 28:54 I had Jessica Rose, who testified earlier today. 28:58 I had eight world experts in their field dealing with each of the areas of accusation against me. 29:05 And so when the college saw this 29:10 absolute barrage of top-notch scientific evidence that was backing up what I had been saying about the vaccine injuries, they asked this disciplinary panel, which was my jury, to grant judicial notice to their facts. 29:28 And one of their facts was that the shots are safe and effective. 29:32 And so if they grant judicial notice, you're not allowed to contest that. 29:36 So they wanted this panel to declare that the safe and effective is uncontested. 29:44 It's self-evident, and therefore you cannot... 29:47 I mean, and so if they had granted that, I would not have been allowed to speak about vaccine injuries in my own defense. 29:54 And none of the 29:56 evidence of my expert witnesses. 29:59 And we had almost a thousand page of top notch scientific evidence. 30:04 None of it would be allowed to be even admitted as court documents. 30:08 So they tried to bury my defense behind this thing called judicial notice. 30:14 And fortunately, by the grace of God, this panel who I prayed for every day said, no, this safe and effective thing needs to be proven. 30:25 And I said, hallelujah, thank you, God. 30:28 And so when they couldn't bury the evidence, they then tried to reschedule the trial twice at times when they knew my lawyer couldn't be present. 30:38 I mean, they tried every deceitful trick. 30:43 And then eventually, when nothing worked, they dropped the charges. 30:48 And they wouldn't actually say why they dropped the charges. 30:55 And the only coherent reason in all their verbose language that they gave was effectively, this process has already fulfilled its purpose of acting as a deterrent to any other doctor that may wish to spread misinformation. Speaker 1
31:12 And so I just want to make this clear. 31:14 So what they're saying is, is that the real reason for going after you is to make an example for other doctors within British Columbia, is that if you 31:24 spoke misinformation, which in your case was just raising concerns about vaccine injury and trying to report vaccine injury. 31:33 Don't you dare do that, BC doctors, or you will face what Dr. Hoff faced. 31:39 Yes. 31:40 So it was meant to scare other doctors into submission. Speaker 2
31:42 This was a censorship tactic. 31:44 It was to get all these doctors to self-censor them. 31:47 You know, you don't do what Hoff did. 31:52 You saw what we did to him. Speaker 3
31:54 Thank you. 31:55 Now, we've got about five minutes left. 31:57 I've got a couple of questions. 31:58 I've got one for Mr. Dawson and one for Mr. Dalton, okay? Speaker 4
32:03 You mentioned coincidence. 32:05 There's certain professions I don't believe in coincidence. 32:09 Your profession, our profession, there's many others, but there's certain professions, coincidence, I don't believe in. 32:18 Who do you blame for the COVID vaccine injuries in your professional opinion? Speaker 2
32:27 I think first and foremost, Health Canada is to blame. 32:35 They approved this without any evidence that it was either safe or effective. 32:41 So I think first and foremost, they are to blame. 32:44 And then, of course, complicit in that is all of the governmental authorities that are 32:54 pushed that narrative without any evidence. 32:58 You know, they should have shown the evidence. 33:00 So, you know, the medical medicine is supposed to be based on evidence. 33:05 That's why we do clinical trials. 33:07 That's why we have peer reviewed studies. 33:09 It's supposed to be evidence based. 33:12 And there wasn't any. 33:13 And yet they enforced it based on this assumption. Speaker 4
33:18 Where do we go from here? 33:20 And what does the government do moving forward? Speaker 2
33:24 It's a really good question. 33:26 I think the most positive thing that could come from this is that Health Canada should not get any funding from the pharmaceutical industry. 33:36 Part of the problem is that Health Canada gets approximately 90% of its funding from the pharmaceutical industry, which means that's who it works for. 33:45 It doesn't work for the people of Canada. 33:48 That's whose interests they are supporting. 33:53 That is a huge conflict of interest. 33:57 So really, I think those conflicts of interest need to be removed. 34:09 And then I think there should be legislation in place to ensure freedom of speech, because this thing about misinformation is all about shutting down freedom of speech. 34:21 Because what's misinformation? 34:23 It's literally whatever they decided is. 34:26 It's completely arbitrary. 34:27 And it can change, you know, with the wind. Speaker 4
34:34 Thank you. 34:34 I think you opened a lot of eyes today with your testimony. 34:37 Thank you. 34:38 And I don't think the conflicts just stopped there either. 34:41 I think they go a lot deeper than where what you mentioned. 34:46 Mr. Dolan. Speaker 6
34:48 Yeah, thank you, Dr. Hoff, for speaking. 34:50 And I'm a member of Parliament from British Columbia and certainly was aware of you speaking up during that time. 35:00 And there was a couple of questions before I, quick question here before I ask a couple more comments. 35:09 Were you seen prior to this time, like were you, had you been like an activist in anything else? 35:14 Like were you just like a, 35:18 a troublemaker in the medical field and bringing up these sort of things, or is this kind of new? Speaker 2
35:24 No, no, no. 35:26 I have, you know, I remember when I moved to Lytton, because Lytton's a very insignificant little place, you know, it's a Speaker 2
35:34 I mean, any town that only has one doctor is not a big place. 35:39 So I remember when I first moved there, my father came there in 1994 and said, what on earth are you doing here? 35:44 He said to me, you are stuck in the back, Eddie. 35:47 You will never make a name for yourself in this place. 35:50 And I said, I'm not trying to make a name for myself. 35:53 I'm just a country doctor serving some wonderful people. 35:57 And so, you know, I've never been an activist in anything. 36:02 I've never put anything on social media because I've never wanted to be a public figure in any way. 36:10 I just wanted to humbly do my job and serve my patients. 36:14 That's all I wanted to do. Speaker 6
37:20 Because of, hopefully that was, and, you know, one of the arguments was that Coastal Health Authority had said that vaccines don't prevent you from getting 37:35 a COVID and neither do they prevent you from transmitting it. 37:41 They made no difference. 37:42 And so it was kind of like, what is the whole purpose of this? 37:44 And so, and also the pressures about basically everyone losing their licenses that they would, you know, the impact about healthcare in British Columbia. 37:54 And it was that, that got a lot of traction and in the, in, in BC and the same day, it was a letter to Dr. To a premium Oregon at the time. 38:04 that same day I put it out, they reversed course on, on, on basically decertifying all these people. 38:12 So, but I, you know, this is a, it's been, it's been very difficult. 38:16 It's been very difficult, very difficult for many healthcare workers that, that had problems with, with, with the vaccine vaccination from what they said and what they saw. 38:29 And we have testimony here also of, of I believe one of the, 38:33 One of the witnesses just – and actually a couple of witnesses that their daughter, I think Abigail, who died, and then others that were in the field, the impact, they were seeing these things. 38:46 And so anyways, it's – I think that we do need to be looking at this from a health perspective rather than keeping everything like – 38:56 Ask the questions, which is what you're doing. 38:59 You're asking, you're saying, let's look at these questions. 39:02 What's the problem? 39:02 Let's get the treatment rather than having everything in a box. 39:05 So thank you for asking those questions in the past and continuing to do so. Speaker 2
39:10 Thank you so much for sending that letter. 39:12 I mean, I was about to lose my medical license because Dr. Bonnie Henry had set a deadline. 39:18 I think it was either the 23rd or the 26th of March. 39:21 And I was expecting to lose my license because I was not going to take those shots. 39:26 And so my patients were about to suddenly be with no family doctor. 39:30 So thank you so much for doing that. Speaker 3
39:33 And Dr. Ha, thank you. 39:35 We appreciate the stand that you've taken and one of those 39:39 doctors and people can come and get an honest opinion. 39:42 And actually, you have not been afraid to push back against the system when, quite frankly, as we've heard over the last two days, it's been very difficult to do. 39:51 So thank you for your stand on that. 39:54 All right. 39:56 Thank you, everyone, for being here today. 39:58 We're up against our timeline of 5 o'clock. 40:00 We will resume again tomorrow at 8.30 and on day three. 40:04 So 40:04 to the MPs that took the time to be here. 40:06 We really appreciate it. 40:08 We thank you for your participation as well. 40:11 Thank you very much, Secretary. 40:12 Meeting is adjourned.