Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
7:06 Good morning and welcome to the fourth and final day of the Allison Inquiry. 7:11 To everyone joining us here in Ottawa and to those watching us online across Canada and around the world, thank you for being with us. 7:19 Over the past three days, we've heard testimony that has been difficult, emotional, and at times deeply troubling. 7:26 We began this inquiry with one simple commitment, to listen. 7:30 to listen to Canadians who were injured following the COVID-19 vaccination, to give them an opportunity to tell their stories, to document what happened to them, to hear their challenges of accessing the Vaccine Injury Support Program. 7:45 Yesterday, once again, we heard why that commitment matters. 7:49 We heard from a former fire chief, someone who had spent her career serving and protecting others. 7:55 She described from going to being healthy and active to struggling to walk. 8:00 We heard the story of a former parliamentarian staffer, a husband and a father who was taken far too soon, leaving behind his wife and young children. 8:08 Behind every statistic is a person. 8:11 Behind every person is a family. 8:14 And behind every family is a story that deserves to be heard. 8:18 We heard from a former World Health Organization employee who has spent more than a quarter million dollars of her own money trying to regain her health. 8:26 Think about that for a moment. 8:28 A quarter of a million dollars. 8:30 Once again, we were reminded that for some of those who were injured, the consequences are not only physical, they can affect careers, finances, marriages, families, independence, and virtually every aspect of a person's life. 8:45 We also heard evidence raising serious questions about early safety signals. 8:51 When were they identified? 8:52 What was known? 8:53 And whether those signals received the attention they warranted. 8:56 Those are questions that deserve answers. 8:59 And we heard concerns that some safety signals continue to be dismissed or insufficiently investigated today. 9:05 Throughout this inquiry, another theme has emerged again and again. 9:09 The injured are helping the injured. 9:12 When people feel and felt they could not find answers elsewhere, they found one another. 9:17 They shared information, they helped each other navigate the medical system, they supported families, and they even raised money. 9:24 And perhaps most importantly, they reminded one another that their voices mattered. 9:28 Yesterday, we heard from a brave young woman who simply would not take no for an answer. 9:33 When the doors were closed, she kept knocking. 9:35 When she felt she wasn't being heard, she kept asking and kept speaking. 9:39 When the system didn't provide the answers that she was looking for, she kept pushing. 9:43 There is something important in that determination. 9:45 People should not have to fight simply to be heard. 9:49 We also heard from two healthy, active young people 9:52 just 23 and 24 years old who experienced myocarditis, heart damage, and the loss to actually move freely. 9:59 Whatever one's views on COVID-19 vaccination, when young Canadians experience serious medical events following vaccination, their cases deserve careful investigation, appropriate medical care and compassion. 10:13 Acknowledging people who report injuries should never be controversial. 10:17 And finally, 10:18 we heard from an Ottawa police officer who was punished for doing what she believed was her job. 10:22 Her testimony raises a broader question about what happens to people who ask questions, challenge decisions, or attempted to act accordingly to the professional responsibilities during an extraordinary difficult period in our country's history. 10:36 Over these four days, we have heard from people with every very different backgrounds, firefighters, police officers, healthcare professionals, government employees, parents, 10:45 young people, business owners, people who are athletes, and people who simply consider themselves healthy and active. 10:52 While their circumstances are different, many of the stories contain the same themes. 10:56 They became sick, they searched for answers, they struggled to find help, and too often they felt nobody was listening. 11:03 That is one of the most important lessons I will take away from this week. 11:07 While we may disagree about public policy, we may even disagree about decisions made during the pandemic, 11:12 We may disagree about the vaccines, but we surely can agree on this. 11:16 When Canadians say they've been injured and are asking for our help, our first response should be compassion, not dismissal. 11:23 More than 1,400 Canadians applied to appear before this inquiry. 11:26 We could only hear from a fraction of them during these four days. 11:30 To those we could not hear from, I want you to know. 11:33 Your stories still matter. 11:34 We want your stories to be documented. 11:37 We want your voices to be heard. 11:38 And the fact that you do not sit in the witness chair does not make what happened to you any less important. 11:45 For three days, Canadians have entrusted us with extraordinary personal stories. 11:50 Today, on our final day, we owe them the same thing we promised them at their beginning. 11:55 Our attention, our respect, and our willingness to listen. 12:00 Yesterday, we heard again that the injured have helped the injured. 12:04 Perhaps a challenge for all of us, for governments, medical institutions, elected officials, and Canadians generally, is to ask a very simple question. 12:13 Why were so many of them left feeling that they had to do it alone? 12:18 That is a question worth pursuing long after these four days are over. 12:23 For too long, many of these Canadians have felt that nobody was listening. 12:27 This week we listened. 12:28 Today we will continue. 12:30 And after this inquiry ends, we must make sure we don't stop listening. 12:35 Thank you. 12:35 Let's get our day started. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
12:44 This is the fourth and final day of this inquiry. 12:49 We've had three days. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
12:53 And I think I speak for everyone that has been in this room and for those that have Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
13:00 participated online, that this has been an experience. 13:09 The way that these witnesses have shared to us and literally bared their hearts has affected every single one of us. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
13:21 I think many of us are going to be completely unsure on how to deal with this going forward. 13:30 And when I say this, just the emotional impact that these people have had on us. 13:35 There have been points where every eye had a tear in it in this room. 13:42 There have been points where, you know, when your heart's stopping because you're sensing the emotion of the other person so strongly and that we're having that. 13:52 There have been times where all of us have either cried 13:57 or been doing all we can to prevent ourselves from crying. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
14:04 Why has this been so impactful? 14:10 It's because we're hearing people honestly share what has been nothing but a tragic journey. 14:20 And we've listened to them. 14:22 We've heard them. 14:27 And that's what this inquiry is about. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
14:30 I appreciate that we've had experts to help frame things. 14:34 And they are precious and we need that so that we understand the context of these injured people. 14:41 But this is about vaccine injured Canadians, about their witnesses. 14:48 And, you know, I'd shared about the difficulties that they've had. 14:56 Some of them 14:56 have been too afraid to travel mentally. 15:00 You know, we saw Michael McNair testify, a gentleman that was willing to sacrifice his life for this country and his fellow soldiers for years, being completely abandoned. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
15:17 And it wasn't the words that he spoke. 15:26 It was the way he spoke to them. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
15:28 Actually, the struggle to share a story that spoke about the moral injury, we all saw it. 15:36 We all felt it. 15:37 It's undeniable. 15:40 And I hope that we all felt the collective sense of shame that we've left him to his own devices. 15:49 He can't even afford the medication he needs that they tell him he needs to stay alive. 15:56 a Canadian Army veteran. 16:05 We've had witnesses that have wanted to stay in this room and participate, that have had to leave because they're just in too much distress, both physically and mentally. 16:18 But something else has happened here for the vaccine-injured. 16:23 is many of them have felt completely alone. 16:26 Do you remember Jasmine Comeau, the young man sitting in a wheelchair with an IV pool with two pumps. 16:36 One goes into his chest, into an artery, and one goes into his stomach because for 12 hours a day, they have to pump. 16:44 He can't swallow anything. 16:48 The only reason he's alive is these two bags as we watched them pump during his testimony, keep him alive. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
16:58 He felt alone before this inquiry and he's actually met his people. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
17:09 We've made a choice because we've got a small gallery here that we were going to reserve it for the vaccine injured and their support people. 17:19 And I'm glad we made that choice because some of them, you know, we had, I thought we had lost a witness yesterday and had to adjust our schedule, but she couldn't be in the room and they need quiet places to be and the sound and the noise and everything. 17:36 And we wanted this to be a place where it's just them, where it's not busyness and where they can find each other. 17:45 And it's been precious. 17:47 that they've been finding a wider community. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
17:54 I hope that they're not the only ones finding a wider community. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
18:01 Because we're all sharing in a collective experience. 18:05 There's something happening here. 18:07 What's happening here, in my words, is holy. 18:10 I think God's presence is here and he's speaking through these people and we have a choice to accept that. 18:16 We have a choice to experience the community that comes with peace and love and listening to each other. 18:25 And so, um, I am so grateful and I know chairperson Allison is so thankful for the alternative media that's here. 18:38 They are live streaming and there's, there's alternative media, not here live streaming. 18:44 And, um, 18:45 We've made it easy, but the world is watching this. 18:50 Something is happening here. 18:53 This is being blessed. 18:55 And the world is watching because of the alternative media and people that are tirelessly posting. 19:02 So I invite everyone, big or small, live stream this, pick this up. 19:08 You know, I had mentioned yesterday, there are a lot of businesses that they have TVs in their waiting room and they're running CNN. 19:15 and CBC and the like, stream the Allison inquiry. 19:20 Stream us live today and then we'll have four days up on the website, you know, for the next several weeks, stream it. 19:25 Just have that in your waiting room. 19:28 Share this experience because this is the first time in a long time that we're actually allowed to be Canadians again. 19:39 So with that, I'd like to call our first witness of the day, Dan Hartman. 19:45 Dan, can you take the Bible in your right hand, please? 19:51 Dan Hartman, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help your God? Speaker 3 — Dan Hartman
19:58 I do. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
20:01 Dan, I want to identify that you're wearing a hockey jersey, and everyone that's been attending here, 20:12 Because this is a formal inquiry, it's a requirement that they wear formal clothes. 20:18 But we invited you to wear a hockey jersey and make an exception. 20:22 And so I just want everyone to know that there's a very good reason that you're just about to learn as to why, Dan Hartman. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
20:38 It's an act of honour that you're doing this. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
20:41 So you're here to testify about your son, Sean. 20:46 Yes. 20:48 And, Sean, we know he didn't have COVID because an autopsy was done, and it confirms this. 20:54 Can you tell us about your son, Sean Herdman? Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
20:58 Well, Canada, our game is hockey, and there's thousands of kids around Canada, around this great country, who love hockey, and Sean was no different. 21:09 It was his love and passion. 21:12 And in order to keep playing hockey, which he played since he was a little kid, since he was old enough to play, in 2021, he was forced to take a shot. 21:23 Otherwise, he couldn't play. 21:25 And my son's biggest fear in life was needles. 21:28 So if he had the choice, he wouldn't have taken it. 21:31 He wanted to keep playing the game he loved. 21:34 So in August of 2021, he took his first shot on August 25th. Speaker 3 — Dan Hartman
21:41 On August 29th, he was rushed to emergency. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
21:43 Let's slow down because I want you to share with us first who Sean is. 21:47 Oh, okay. 21:48 So can you share with us, you know, he was 17. 21:51 Yes. 21:52 Can you share with us who he was, what type of a person? 21:56 You know, just so that we come to understand who's not here to share with us today. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
22:03 He was a very shy, humble boy. 22:05 He didn't have a lot of friends, but he had some very close friends. 22:10 He's mostly private. 22:12 He enjoyed just watching movies and hanging around with his family and doing things fun whenever he had the chance. 22:19 And he didn't care how popular he was. 22:22 That didn't bother him. 22:24 He just he was a very respectable boy. 22:27 Never said a swear word once in 17 years. 22:30 I've never I never saw him get mad once. 22:33 Just such a loving angel. 22:36 He really was an angel. 22:38 Sometimes I can't believe he was mine. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
22:43 You know, you described him as shy. 22:45 Can you give us an example? 22:46 Can you explain what did that look like for Sean? Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
22:51 Well, he wouldn't come out and talk to people like I do. 22:54 He would just kind of sit in the background. 22:57 And if you talk to him, he'll talk back to you, of course. 22:59 But he was just a very up-to-himself, private kind of kid, just like normal things that every other kid liked. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
23:08 Right. 23:10 Can you share with us some of the most precious memories you have of him? Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
23:17 He loved to sing. 23:18 I have a video of him singing Twinkle Little Star and I didn't force him to do it. 23:23 He asked me, he said, can I sing a song? 23:25 And I said, yeah. 23:27 And I put karaoke on the computer for him and he sang Twinkle Little Star and 23:34 That's a video I still can't watch to this day. 23:36 I'll break down if I start watching it. 23:38 And he loved movies. 23:41 We watched a movie together every weekend. 23:44 We made it a point to watch a movie every time. 23:48 And he loved action movies, of course, but I convinced him to watch Forrest Gump. 23:54 And he didn't really want to because kids like explosions and stuff like that. 23:58 And he watched it with me. 24:00 And at the end, he said, I'm so glad I watched that with you. 24:04 And I'll never forget that moment because he trusted me. 24:08 It wasn't his typical type of movie, but he loved it. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
24:13 We're going to talk a little bit about his hockey, but can you share with us maybe some of his proudest moments as a hockey player? Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
24:25 Well, he was a captain on his team. 24:28 And a captain on a hockey team is very well respected and admired by his teammates and a leader. 24:35 And like I said, Sean was shy, but not on the ice. 24:39 He was hockey was everything to him. 24:42 So he became captain of his team, probably voted by the other teammates or the coaches. 24:47 And it's a very important position to be in. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
24:51 Right. 24:51 Are there a couple of games that stick out where, you know, he was he was very proud of the game? Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
25:00 Not exceptional games. 25:01 I mean, he was a defenseman, so his job was to protect the goalie. 25:06 And he took it very serious. 25:08 He didn't want anyone coming in on his goalie and scoring. 25:10 So he didn't get a lot of goals, but most defensemen don't. 25:15 But he took his job as protecting his goalie very serious. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
25:19 And how old was he when he started getting interested in hockey? 25:23 Five. 25:24 Five, okay. 25:24 Was he one of these kids that would play shinny out in the street and 25:29 Yeah. 25:29 Oh, yeah. Speaker 5 — Shawn Buckley
25:30 Yell car when a car's coming. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
25:32 Yell car, moving that. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
25:34 For the international audience, they won't know what we're talking about. 25:37 But in Canada, kids go and play hockey in the winter on the street and they'll have their nets and everything. 25:43 But when a car comes, you yell car and everyone clears off the nets and moves so the car can go by. 25:48 So that's the experience. 25:54 And then he just jumped into the game as a little kid. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
25:57 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
25:59 Now, you shared with us that he was a defenseman. 26:05 So was he always a defenseman? 26:06 Yes. 26:07 Okay, so he just gravitated. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
26:10 Well, he was a bigger guy, too, and you want your big guys playing defense. 26:14 They're the ones you can check and protect the goalie. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
26:16 That's their job. 26:18 And just again, we literally have an international audience, and some people will not understand the role of defensemen. 26:24 So can you just go in a little more? 26:26 the types of things that Sean would have to do on the ice? Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
26:30 Well, your job is to get the puck off the other team and get it to your forwards. 26:34 They're the centermen and a right winger and a left winger. 26:37 And the defensemen are back here to protect the goalie. 26:41 So it's their job to take the puck off the other team, to dump it down the ice or get it to your forwards so they can skate down the ice and score. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
26:50 Now, he, at the time, what team was he playing for? 26:53 The Beaten Stingers. 26:55 And was that the team he was captain of? 26:57 Yeah. 26:59 And you shared with us that he loved hockey, but I know it even went deeper than that. 27:04 What was his aspiration to, you know, when he became an adult that he wanted to be doing? Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
27:09 Well, he was hoping to make the NHL, to play professional hockey. 27:14 He knew that it's a long shot in Canada. 27:17 It's really hard to become a pro. 27:19 But he also entertained the thought of being an NHL referee just so he could be around the game. 27:26 if he didn't make hockey. 27:28 Because I always ask him, what do you want to do with your life, Sean? 27:30 And he'd say, I don't know. 27:31 I said, you just want to be an NHL player? 27:33 And he'd say, yeah, pretty much. 27:36 So he didn't really have any other plan. 27:38 So that was his goal. 27:41 But I said, you know, if you don't make it, you can be a referee. 27:43 They make a lot of money. 27:45 It's a good living. 27:46 And you still get to be around the game. 27:48 And he thought, yeah, that sounds good. 27:51 Great. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
27:52 So, you know, he just had such a love for hockey that he wanted to be on the ice. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
27:58 He would talk about hockey in the summertime when they're not even playing. 28:02 Hey, Dad, did you hear about it? Speaker 3 — Dan Hartman
28:03 And I'm like, no. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
28:07 In the NHL, what was his favorite team? Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
28:10 The Toronto Maple Leafs. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
28:12 Okay. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
28:12 Yeah. 28:13 Okay. 28:14 Okay. 28:15 So that's fun. 28:16 And he also knew that they disappoint us every year, but like he wasn't brainwashed thinking they're going to win the cup, but I still love them. 28:24 I was being kind and avoiding that. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
28:28 So, okay. 28:30 And you're shared with us that he was terrified of needles and he actually had to get a non COVID needle and not long before COVID. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
28:41 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
28:42 What was that? 28:42 What your understanding of that experience? Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
28:45 He passed out. 28:46 That's how much he feared needles. 28:48 And I would try to tell him it's no big deal. 28:50 It's just a little prick and you're good. 28:53 But he was terrified of him. 28:55 So that plays a lot into this story that there's no way on earth he would have taken that unless he was forced. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
29:04 And forced meaning you can't play hockey. 29:07 That's right. 29:08 Unless you get vaccinated. 29:09 So what happened there? 29:11 with the league? 29:12 What was going on? Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
29:13 Oh, they forced you to have the shot, even for the parents. 29:16 If you want to go in and watch your children, you had to have the shots. 29:20 So he had to have two shots by a certain date to play, but he only took one. 29:27 He didn't get to a second one. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
29:29 Now, and I'm asking an obvious question because he's a hockey player and a serious hockey player, like he's 29:35 They play a lot of games and they practice. 29:37 What kind of shape was Sean in, the 17-year-old? 29:40 Perfect. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
29:41 Very healthy. 29:42 He never drank pop in his life. 29:45 I tried to get him to take it one time and he wouldn't drink it. 29:48 He wouldn't put salt on food. 29:51 That's how healthy he was. 29:53 He never had a drop of alcohol in his life. 29:55 He never had a cigarette. 29:56 It was just sports. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
29:58 Right. 30:00 So he was an elite athlete. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
30:02 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
30:02 With no pre-existing health conditions of any kind. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
30:06 No. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
30:07 So, okay. 30:10 And you told us the only reason he's taking this is because it's necessary. 30:16 It's required for him to continue to do what he loves. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
30:19 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
30:20 And hockey was his life. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
30:22 Oh, yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
30:23 So, August 25th, 2021, he has his one and only first 30:30 shot, which was a Pfizer. 30:32 Can you share with us what happened? Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
30:36 He went to a one-day vaccination clinic, come one, come all, at the community center and got one shot and he was rushed to emergency four days later. 30:49 He had brown circles around his eyes, rash all over his face and neck and vomiting and an extremely sore shoulder opposite to his injection shoulder. 31:01 which I've been told by doctors could be a sign of heart problems. 31:05 The doctor in emergency did not do any blood work whatsoever. 31:09 He didn't do a D-dimer test. 31:11 He didn't do a troponin test, which would have found blood clots or damage to his heart. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
31:16 So I'll just slow you down here. 31:17 So four days after the shot, a 17-year-old healthy hockey player is rushed to emergency and 31:26 Because so he's got the raccoon eyes. 31:28 So you're meaning where it's like really almost like bruised eyes, like shiners. 31:32 Yeah. 31:34 He's got a rash all over his neck and face. 31:37 There's clearly something going on. 31:39 He's vomiting. 31:41 And his right shoulder is in extreme distress and pain. 31:47 But his injection was in the left shoulder. 31:49 And they don't even do blood work at the ER. 31:52 No. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
31:54 Nope. 31:54 They only gave him a prescription for a painkiller for his sore shoulder. 31:58 That's it. 31:59 And sent him home. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
32:01 So no testing at all? Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
32:02 Nothing. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
32:04 So just here's a more stronger painkiller than you can get in the drugstore. 32:10 Did they tell him to go to his family doctor? 32:14 Yeah, they told him to follow up with his family doctor. Speaker 3 — Dan Hartman
32:19 But blood tests should have been done at the very least. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
32:22 I'm shocked, actually. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
32:23 Yeah, me too. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
32:24 Just because of his age and the fact that he would be visibly demonstrating. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
32:30 And I reached out to Dr. Drew, a very famous doctor. 32:34 Everyone knows Dr. Drew. 32:36 I didn't think he'd answer me because he had the exact same thing happen to him. 32:39 He had the brown raccoon eyes after his shot. 32:43 So I reached out to him. 32:44 I said, Dr. Drew, what's with the circles around my son's eyes? 32:48 He said classically a sign of transverse sinus thrombosis, which is blood clotting. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
32:56 Okay, so here's one. 32:57 So Dr. Drew is a medical doctor, isn't he? Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
32:59 Yep. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
33:00 So you just reach out to him, and he's able to, you know, just give you a diagnosis. 33:06 Now, you don't know, but Dr. Peter McCullough is sitting behind you, and I saw him nodding in agreement. 33:11 So this is something medical doctors know about. Speaker 6 — Dan Hartman
33:14 Oh, yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
33:14 So a 17-year-old showing up with that, 33:17 The medical ER doctor should know, wait a second, this could be very serious. 33:20 This could be blood clotting. 33:23 And nothing is done. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
33:24 Dr. McCullough also looked at Sean's autopsy because in Toronto, the cause of death was unascertained. 33:31 They didn't know why he died. 33:33 But Dr. McCullough looked at it and figured out that, yeah, Sean had myocarditis. 33:38 But in Toronto, they claimed he didn't. 33:42 His heart was slightly swollen. 33:45 And they tried to pass it off to me as, oh, don't worry, that's normal. 33:48 That's what athletes have. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
33:51 Right. 33:53 Let's continue with the story and then get to that part. 33:58 So he's released from ER. 34:00 Well, not even released. 34:01 They didn't admit him. 34:02 He's sent home with a prescription of painkillers. 34:05 What happens after that? Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
34:07 He was feeling very tired. 34:08 I was talking to Sean's stepdad, and he was taking naps during the day. 34:13 And that's not Sean. 34:14 He doesn't do that. 34:15 And just so exhausted. 34:18 And then on the morning of September 27th, he wasn't coming upstairs to go to school. 34:25 And they got really worried. 34:28 Mark's wife and Sean's stepdad. Speaker 4 — Shawn Buckley
34:30 And they went downstairs and found him bed on the floor beside his bed here. 34:51 And I had to wait three long months for autopsy results. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
34:55 It's a very painful wait. 34:57 I just want to slow you down. 34:59 So September 27th, that's like 33 days after his shot. Speaker 7 — Dan Hartman
35:06 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
35:10 He basically dies in the night. 35:12 A 17-year-old healthy hockey player dies in the night. 35:19 But he didn't die in his bed, did he? Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
35:21 No, he was found on the floor. 35:23 So I can only assume, my best guess is he stood up because he knew something was wrong. 35:30 And for a split second or two, he knew something was very wrong, and he collapsed on the floor and died. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
35:38 Right. 35:39 So what likely happened is, as he wakes up having a heart attack, he realizes he's in trouble, and he tries to go get help. 35:49 Go for help, yeah. Speaker 3 — Dan Hartman
35:49 But he doesn't make it. Speaker 4 — Shawn Buckley
35:51 No, they found him on the floor right beside his bed. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
36:04 And I know we can only imagine the panic that Sean would have been in. Speaker 3 — Dan Hartman
36:10 He's probably scared, scared like he's never been scared in his life. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
36:15 So an autopsy is done. 36:18 What happens? 36:19 What did they say and what happened after that? Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
36:22 They said cause of death unascertained. 36:24 They couldn't tell me why he died. 36:26 They didn't know why he died. 36:27 There was no full DNA testing was done. 36:30 Toxicology was done. 36:33 They found nothing. 36:35 And cause of death unascertained is extremely rare in this world. 36:40 It's only 2% of autopsies. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
36:42 Right, but I just actually have to stop you because in the province I live, Alberta, 36:47 I think it's only about six, seven years ago that they added, you know, cause unknown as a, as a, before we didn't have that. 36:55 And for several years into the COVID period, it was the leading cause of death for several years in the province I live in was, you know, cause unknown. 37:04 So, so they decided to do a change for COVID and have this basically excuse not to tell us why people were dying because it's a new thing. 37:15 So, okay. 37:16 So, 37:17 Cause Unknown. 37:19 David, can we pull up, you'd send us some photos and I've had two of them that I've picked. 37:26 So tell us about this photo. 37:28 This is your son, Sean Hartman. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
37:31 That's my boy. 37:32 That's when he switched teams to go play rep hockey, which is a higher level than house league. 37:38 And he went to play for Alliston for two years and he enjoyed it, but he really, really missed his friends. 37:46 And 37:47 So he went back to Beaton to play the rest of his career. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
37:51 So that's. 37:52 Right. 37:53 So this is like the team, they take photos of all the players and. 37:57 Okay. 37:58 So what year would have this, would he been what, 15, 14, 15? 38:02 Yeah. 38:03 Yeah. 38:04 Okay. 38:05 And so he's actually, he's so good that he gets to go play in another league. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
38:09 A higher division, higher hockey. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
38:11 Right. 38:11 But. 38:12 He's doing that for a couple of years. 38:13 He's missing his friends back home. 38:15 So he decides to kind of take a tear down so that he can play with his friends. 38:21 Okay. 38:22 Can we see the next photo? 38:24 Tell us about this photo. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
38:26 We just got a Chihuahua and Sean was a big animal lover and my fiance was talking to him in this picture and it was taken without his knowledge. 38:36 And it turned out to be a really great picture. 38:40 And he loved animals so much. 38:42 So he was hugging our little girl and just so happy to be with another dog. 38:48 He had dogs of his own at home. 38:49 But when he came to visit me on my weekends, now he had another dog to play with. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
38:55 And then you feel some responsibility towards Sean over what happened. 39:03 And you've been doing some things about that. 39:05 Can you share with us? 39:07 why you feel a responsibility even to be here and sharing Sean's story. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
39:13 Because Sean can't speak for himself. 39:16 And I love that boy more than anything in this life. 39:20 He was everything to me. 39:22 And I will go down, I will die for Sean. 39:26 I will do whatever it takes to get the truth out about him so people don't have to suffer the same pain I am. 39:32 I don't want any parent to go through this because it's unhealable. 39:36 My son, he didn't have a disease. 39:40 It wasn't a car accident. 39:42 It wasn't suicide. 39:43 My son was murdered. 39:45 And I believe that in my heart 100%. 39:47 So I will do everything in my power to let people know about Sean and to fight for him because he's not here to fight for himself. 39:57 And that's what a dad should do. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
40:00 And one of the things that you've done is you've started a lawsuit. 40:08 including against Health Canada and Pfizer, to try and get some civil responsibility for what happened. 40:17 And I'll lead you a little bit through this because I want you to be questioned by others. 40:22 But it's basically the lower court concerning Health Canada has said, you can't go after Health Canada. 40:30 You can't sue Health Canada because, and listen carefully, everyone, 40:34 Health Canada does not owe individuals a duty of care when they're approving vaccines. 40:41 Their duty of care is to the general public. 40:44 And then you basically appeal that decision to the Interior Court of Appeal. 40:50 The decision is Hartman v. Canada, Attorney General. 40:54 It's found at 2026 ONCA 270. 40:59 And I've read that decision, and I know you've read the decision, but just because I'm 41:04 We're running short. 41:04 I'm going to speed us through this. 41:06 So basically, the Ontario Court of Appeal agrees that Health Canada does not owe individuals like Sean Hartman any duty of care, and therefore you can't even name them as a party in a lawsuit. 41:22 So the interesting thing I find about that, Mr. Hartman, is that most it's human nature that if there's a consequence to you being negligent, 41:33 If there's a consequence to hurting other people, like a personal consequence, then we kind of watch what we're doing, right? 41:39 If there was no fines for speeding, maybe some of us might speed more, just to use an example. 41:46 So here we have a regulatory body that people believe is there to protect them. 41:51 Well, if they act negligently... 41:55 if they act with bias or do something that's awful, there's no recourse so that there's no incentive for them to act with any responsibility. 42:05 So the law applies to you and I. 42:06 We can't hurt anyone. 42:08 We hurt a single person. 42:11 We find out really quickly we can't do that. 42:15 But it doesn't seem to apply otherwise. Speaker 2 — Dan Hartman
42:20 Mr. Motz. 42:23 Thank you. Speaker 5 — Dan Hartman
42:24 And thank you very much for your testimony, and I'm sorry for your loss. 42:29 Thank you. 42:32 I asked a witness this yesterday, and I ask you the same question. 42:38 You talk about the injustice that was done, and you feel responsible to carry on the fight because Sean can't. 42:47 What would justice look like for you and your family and for Sean? Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
42:52 The one and only thing I've ever asked for in the beginning is truth. 42:58 I've only asked for the truth. 42:59 I've been fighting for Sean much longer than I've had the lawsuits or a lawyer. 43:04 I only wanted them to admit that Sean was one of the people who died from his shot. 43:10 And they won't do it. 43:11 They won't admit it. 43:13 They've admitted to other deaths, but not Sean. 43:15 I guess it's because I'm vocal about it. 43:18 but they just won't admit it. 43:20 So no amount of money is going to make me feel better if I win this lawsuit. 43:25 It's five years later and I'm still crying every day. 43:28 There's no healing from this. 43:30 So I don't care about the money. 43:32 I don't care if they give me one penny. 43:34 As long as I get to hear the judge say guilty, that's justice for me and my family, that they are guilty of giving Sean something that kills him. Speaker 5 — Dan Hartman
43:44 So when you say they, um, 43:48 there's a broad they and a specific. 43:51 So in your perspective, who are they? Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
43:56 Health Canada, Pfizer, who made the product, mainstream media, who kept saying safe and effective every day and telling you to take it to protect your grandma and everyone involved in Sean's death. 44:08 But there's so many to blame. 44:10 My blame list is huge. 44:12 But I want the judge to just say guilty. 44:15 Yes, the shot killed Sean Hartman. 44:18 When they don't admit it, it makes them look even more guilty, in my opinion. 44:22 Like, just come out and say it. 44:24 We're sorry, Mr. Harmon, but the shot killed your son. 44:27 That's simple. 44:28 I even put a post on social media offering to drop my lawsuits. 44:32 Offering. 44:33 If they will just admit it to me. 44:35 Nothing. 44:36 They won't say it. 44:38 They won't say the words. 44:40 I guess because if they admit to Sean, it's going to open doors for other people. Speaker 5 — Dan Hartman
44:44 Right. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
44:44 And that's what I want to do. 44:46 I want to open doors for other people. Speaker 5 — Dan Hartman
44:47 Good for you. 44:50 Have you ever, obviously there's distrust now with the medical profession in some regards. 44:59 Have you ever had occasion to go back to that ER doctor that apparently just dropped the balls? Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
45:10 I know where he works. 45:12 I know his name. 45:12 I'm not allowed to name him or believe it or not, I could be sued, which makes no sense. 45:18 I have a lot of anger towards him, but a little bit of forgiveness because it was the beginning of the pandemic. 45:24 And maybe he didn't know he should have done blood tests. 45:27 But on the other hand, he should have known he's a doctor. 45:32 And I don't think it's good that I ever see that man face to face. 45:36 So I'd rather just 45:38 try to forgive them in my heart and move on. Speaker 5 — Dan Hartman
45:43 So there's been conversation about, Mr. Allison spoke about it this morning, that the voices, you know, from this inquiry, from the National Citizens Inquiry and the voices of those who have been injured and those who've got concerns, you know, 46:07 We can't let that just disappear after something like this. 46:15 How do you see an effective go forward on dealing with this, whether it be correcting what's happened in the past and coming to terms with that? 46:28 How do we do that properly? 46:30 And then how do we prepare for the future? 46:33 Because we're going to have, I'm sure, 46:35 Unfortunately, we're going to have something similar down the road. 46:39 From your perspective, Mr. Harpin, how do you see us navigating that currently for what's happened and prepare for what could happen? Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
46:47 Truth and honesty. 46:48 Just tell everyone the truth about the product. 46:51 Tell them there's a chance you could die if you take it. 46:54 I mean, people can die from anything, but they didn't tell Sean he could die from this. 47:00 Have some truth for the love of God. 47:02 I mean, the inserts in the packages for the for the vaccines were blank. 47:09 It said intentionally blank. 47:11 How are you supposed to have informed consent? 47:13 I was a senior sitting at a Walmart supposed to have informed consent. 47:17 And they said, oh, well, there's a QR code on the blank page and you can scan it and get all the information. 47:23 Lots of seniors don't have a cell phone. 47:25 My mom doesn't. 47:26 She's 89. 47:26 She doesn't have a cell phone. 47:28 Little kids could get this shot, 12 and older, without parental consent. 47:34 I didn't even know Sean took it. 47:36 That in itself should be a crime. 47:38 A 12-year-old can't make a decision on their body. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
47:41 Thank you, Mr. Motz. 47:43 Sorry. 47:43 All the time. 47:44 No, listen, we really appreciate you being here. 47:47 And I personally love how you advocate on behalf of your son and continue to. 47:51 Thanks, Dean. 47:52 As I said, we want to continue to help you advocate. 47:56 So thank you so much for being here today. Speaker 4 — Dan Hartman
47:58 Thanks for having me. 47:59 It means a lot that you're doing this. Speaker 4 — MP Dean Allison
48:01 Thank you, sir. Speaker 2 — Dan Hartman
48:01 I hope you know, Dean. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
48:07 So our next witness is Rodney Palmer. 48:11 Rodney, can you get, can somebody give him the Bible to put in his right hand? Speaker 2 — Dan Hartman
48:15 Thank you. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
48:22 Rodney Palmer, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, 48:27 And nothing but the truth, so help you God. Speaker 3 — Rodney Palmer
48:29 I do. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
48:30 Just want to introduce you to the inquiry. 48:33 You worked as a journalist in Canada for 20 years. 48:38 You were a general assignment reporter for the Globe and Mail newspaper. 48:42 You worked as a daily news reporter at the Vancouver Sun. 48:47 You worked at CBC and later you worked as a producer and investigative reporter at CBC Radio and Television. 48:56 You then went to be the foreign correspondence and bureau chief for CTV News based in India, then Israel, and finally in China, based in Beijing. 49:09 And we've asked you to come and testify about the standard process of news gathering. 49:15 versus propaganda at the CBC during the time of COVID. 49:19 And my understanding is that you have a presentation for us, and I'd invite you to give that. Speaker 8 — Rodney Palmer
49:24 I do. 49:24 Thank you. 49:24 Thank you, Mr. Allison, for holding this inquiry. 49:26 Thank you, Mr. Buckley. 49:28 I worked at the CBC for these times and at CTV, but primarily I was trained at the CBC from a young age, a young journalist. 49:35 I was 49:35 trained in their system. 49:37 And what I observed very quickly during COVID was that the CBC morphed into the type of broadcaster that I witnessed in China, in Syria, in North Korea. 49:47 It wasn't the public broadcaster that I had 49:51 been trained as. 49:53 I believe it's a state broadcaster. 49:55 And I'm going to explain the difference between those two things. 49:58 A public broadcaster engages in news gathering, which is defined in the Oxford Dictionary as the process of doing research on news items. 50:06 And the way it works is from the bottom up. 50:08 So a little reporter in a small town in Saskatchewan will do a story that's local and maybe Western Canada becomes interested in it. 50:15 Maybe the nation does and it goes up 50:16 and it becomes a national news story. 50:18 That's a bottom-up. 50:19 That's how the apparatus is designed to work. 50:21 That's a public broadcaster. 50:23 It tells the story of the nation that holds us together and knits us together by telling our stories. 50:29 But I heard it becoming a state broadcaster, and a state broadcaster works on propaganda. 50:35 It uses the same apparatus, the same anchors, the same reporters, right down to that little reporter in Saskatchewan. 50:41 And what it does, it's defined in Oxford as the intentional manipulation of public opinion through lies and half-truths. 50:50 It uses the same apparatus, but it comes from the top down. 50:53 The government tells us, right down to that little reporter, and they all speak with a unified voice. 50:59 One of the first things I noticed was a story on The National at CBC Television, The National News with Adrienne Arsenault, one of the greatest broadcasters we have, by the way. 51:09 She's amazing in the way that she is on camera and she's very believable and trustworthy. 51:13 But when I saw this, I did not recognize it as news. Speaker 9 — Adrienne Arsenault
51:17 So what do you do when this happens? 51:19 A loved one, let's say it's your dad, drops into the family group chat with something he thinks is real. 51:26 It's something about China manufacturing the coronavirus. 51:29 There's a link to a site you've never heard of with a message calling it scary stuff. 51:34 So what do you do with this? 51:36 Do you ignore it? 51:37 Do you call him out saying how ridiculous you think this is? 51:40 So hold back on all that reactive talk. 51:43 Maybe try something like this. 51:44 Yeah, these are scary times. 51:46 We're all a bit afraid, but let's be careful. 51:48 What you're sharing is inaccurate and it feeds into that fear we all feel. Speaker 8 — Rodney Palmer
51:54 Fear was what they were selling here. 51:56 It wasn't news. 51:57 And more interestingly, on April 4th, 2020, CDC had no idea that this didn't come from a lab. 52:02 I covered the SARS outbreak in 2002 in Beijing, and I followed the World Health Organization, the virus hunters, determining who was patient zero. 52:10 And I know that the amount of time that this takes, and it hadn't been determined yet. 52:13 So how did they presume in that story, number one, that it wasn't from a lab? 52:17 They presented no evidence. 52:19 There was no news gathering. 52:20 And more importantly, they said, don't trust your dumb old dad. 52:24 That's what the focus of this story was. 52:26 Don't trust your family member. 52:27 So this is another thing that state broadcasters do. 52:30 They attempt to supplant themselves as the arbiters of truth and divide you from your standard, the person you seek as a true person, a wise person in your life, in this case, your father. 52:42 So they had no evidence, and yet they did this. 52:44 This is because this was propaganda, and I recognized it instantly. 52:49 Just a few days later, the Washington Post did news gathering. 52:52 It published a story that there were safety issues at the Wuhan lab. 52:56 This is 10 days after the Adrian Arsenault's piece. 52:59 Going back to 2018, the U.S. Embassy in Beijing had been warning Washington about safety and management weaknesses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. 53:09 that stated specifically there was a potential human transmission representing a risk of a new SARS-like pandemic. 53:16 This is two years before. 53:17 Did the CBC come on 10 days later and said, sorry, the Washington Post has broken a story that we're looking into that it might be from the lab? 53:24 No, they didn't do that. 53:25 They kept telling you, you know, it's ridiculous to be from the lab. 53:31 The next year, Vanity Fair did a deep dive and found five scientific papers published seven years prior to that broadcast by the scientists at the Wuhan lab in public domain that showed that they were creating a brand new infectious pathogen, some Frankensteinian bacteria that 53:51 or virus rather, that was merging the SARS-2002 virus with a new bat virus. 53:59 They said there were safety deficiencies at the Wuhan lab. 54:02 They said there were genetically engineered rats with humanized lungs. 54:05 And all of this information was available to Adrian Arsenault, the CBC and the National at the time they told us, don't believe it to be true. 54:14 So they, with the billions of dollars that they have from the people of Canada and the federal government, they failed to tell us this. 54:23 And it's probably not because they didn't know how. 54:26 It's probably because they were acting as a state broadcaster. 54:30 The next thing they did was when the vaccine... Rodney, can I just stop you? Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
54:34 Because don't we know with the Fauci diaries, it's pretty clear that this lab leak theory 54:41 is very, very probable. Speaker 8 — Rodney Palmer
54:43 The U.S. Congress issued a report that it was definite. 54:46 The U.S. FBI has issued a report that it is definite from the lab. 54:52 But my point here is in the moment, it was provable. 54:56 And a journalist would have proved it or at least strongly pointed the finger. 55:00 Not only was it probable, but it was the most likely scenario at the moment that she was telling us, don't believe your father if he says, because he's kind of dumb because dads are. 55:10 This was a scenario that they were creating because they were not exercising the journalism that we expected them to do. 55:17 They were simply exercising state propaganda. 55:20 And it gets worse, Mr. Buckley. 55:23 By December, we had a vaccine, ridiculously lightning speed, seven months to a vaccine. 55:29 And they bypassed the parents entirely in an arm of CBC called CBC Kids, where they broadcast this on December 16th, 2020. Speaker 10 — CBC Kids
55:40 So you're a vaccine researcher. Speaker 11 — CBC Kids
55:42 How confident are you that this vaccine is safe? 55:45 So the vaccine has been tested in thousands and thousands of people. 55:51 and to have shown no significant safety concerns. 55:56 So because it's been given to so many people and they haven't had a problem, I think that you can feel safer getting this vaccine knowing that no problems have been recognized so far. Speaker 8 — Rodney Palmer
56:13 There are three things interesting about that scientist. 56:18 Number one, she choked on her final phrase, no significant safety concerns have been found so far. 56:24 Normally, when somebody's doing that, they repeat themselves, they stutter, they stumble. 56:27 It's because they're trying to remember a script. 56:29 I picked up on it. 56:31 The second thing that was horrifying to me is there's a tension track underneath that. 56:34 You couldn't quite hear it on the volume we have here. 56:36 It's subliminal. 56:38 It's on there. 56:40 Right. 56:41 It was also on the national news piece with Adrienne Arsenault. 56:44 And when she went to interview somebody who said, I'm an expert and I I know how to how to talk to your father. 56:50 The music changed to this is a Hollywood emotional manipulation trick to get to to get us to think and feel a certain way. 56:58 The CBC was using this in their news items to promote fear. 57:03 And to promote, to move us toward the solution that they wanted us to believe in their intentional manipulation. 57:11 The most interesting thing about this on December 16th is that she said there was no safety signals. 57:16 However, four days prior, on December 12th, Health Canada had issued its first warning, its first bulletin, that it was monitoring cases of anaphylaxis. 57:26 So that's not nothing, CBC kids. 57:28 That's not total safety. 57:30 That's not no safety concerns. 57:32 That's anaphylaxis four days prior. 57:35 And that scientist was giving misinformation to the children. 57:40 Only four months after that, so 16 weeks later, Public Health Ontario published that there were 20 reports of blood clots, seven reports of acute cardiovascular injury. 57:50 That sounds pretty severe to me. 57:52 Acute kidney injuries, skin lesions, acute respiratory distress. 57:55 Respiratory distress means you can't breathe. 57:58 And seven reports of death. 58:01 In Ontario alone, did CBC kids go back on and say, listen, kids, the story has changed. 58:06 It's emerging. 58:07 We have new information. 58:08 No, they continued to say, go get the vaccine. 58:12 It'll release you from the confines of your parents' basement. 58:16 A reporter at CBC Manitoba started to get so many phone calls from vaccine-injured people that she did a story about it. 58:23 She did her job. 58:24 She's a 35-year veteran named Marion Cloack, and she knows how to do her job. 58:28 She phoned around to university experts across Canada, and she learned that there were actually safety signals by this time of myocarditis and pericarditis. 58:37 These university experts who were in the field said that 58:42 This was happening. 58:42 It was posted on the Health Canada website. 58:44 It was being witnessed internationally. 58:46 And she put a story together. 58:48 And CBC Manitoba. 58:50 censored the story they said you can't say that it will promote vaccine hesitancy and she replied that's not my job to promote hesitancy or to cheerlead the vaccine my job is to tell the truth of what's happening in this country they sent the story down to cbc toronto for vetting this has never happened to her before in her 35 year career as a broadcaster at cbc and it took five weeks for them to come back with an answer 59:16 She was pointing out at the time that this was an urgent story, but they said you can put those people on who claim that they're injured by the vaccine, but you can't put those two learned scientists on who say that these are red flags and we have pericarditis and myocarditis and we have other death red flags and they're posting it on the Health Canada website. 59:34 Not allowed to put them on. 59:36 You have to put approved scientists on. 59:40 She had never heard this before. 59:42 So Marianne Kloak, you can't see the picture here, but she said, I quit. 59:48 I'm triggering my retirement. 59:51 I'm leaving the CBC. 59:53 She later testified at the National Citizen's Inquiry here in Ottawa. 59:57 I witnessed in a very short time the collapse of journalism, news gathering and investigative reporting at the CBC. 1:00:04 The way I saw it, we were in fact pushing propaganda. 1:00:06 Those are her words. 1:00:08 around that same time in order to combat the problem i suppose that the government had but it was also to me it was an emerging story these more and more people were getting injured by these vaccines that we were being told were safe and effective safe and effective safe and effective this is what a state broadcaster does it's a hypnotic thing it's a way to brainwash the public 1:00:29 The federal government established a fund of one point seven five million dollars and gave it to a nascent group of two people. 1:00:35 It was called Science Up First, and it was run by a lawyer, oddly enough, not even a scientist. 1:00:42 He is his name's Timothy Caulfield. 1:00:46 And many people may have seen him. 1:00:47 He's been on every media in the country. 1:00:50 And he goes on and tells you that not only that you have to take a vaccine, but if you don't, that there's something wrong with you mentally. 1:00:56 The mandate of Science Up First was to get as many Canadians as possible vaccinated against COVID-19. 1:01:02 And so Mr. Caulfield surrounded himself with actual scientific experts, and they became the independent experts that the CBC would go to. 1:01:10 We used to call it the golden Rolodex, people that you knew you could bring on and you knew what they were going to say. 1:01:15 But they were the only ones allowed on. 1:01:17 The ones that Marianne Kloak got, who were raising wet red flags on behalf of Canada and trying to tell Canadians, be careful, were not allowed on the CBC. 1:01:25 Only these ones were allowed on the CBC. 1:01:28 The same month that CBC suppressed that story, 1:01:32 that Marianne Kloak had, that their vaccine injuries were numbering in the hundreds and the thousands. 1:01:38 CBC Manitoba posted, any claims that COVID-19 vaccines may have long-term side effects are completely untrue. 1:01:46 And they knew this was a lie because their own reporter had a story that it wasn't untrue. 1:01:51 An infectious disease expert recently told CBC Radio's White Coat Blackguard. 1:01:56 So instead of quoting Health Canada's website or the people who were injured, they quoted themselves. 1:02:02 This was a self-referential story. 1:02:05 and they quoted a show called White Coat Black Art. 1:02:08 You can't get more authoritative. 1:02:09 It's hosted by a medical doctor, Brian Goldman. 1:02:12 This guy's one of my heroes. 1:02:13 He's a medical, he's an emergency room doctor in a busy hospital in downtown Toronto, and he has two radio shows. 1:02:19 And he took all of the trust of that 25 years, and he flipped it against me like a judo move to harm me. 1:02:26 He put Tara Moriarty on, identified her as an infectious disease researcher at the University of Toronto, 1:02:33 He didn't mention that she's a founder of Science Up First, which took a million point seven five from the federal government to promote vaccine uptake. 1:02:42 That was a half truth from that definition of propaganda I gave you a moment ago. 1:02:48 That was a lie by concealment. 1:02:50 It was a lie by omission. 1:02:52 Brian Goldman lied to us. 1:02:54 And then so did Tara Moriarty. 1:02:56 She said, we don't have any evidence that the vaccines cause anything but immunity. 1:03:03 against COVID-19. 1:03:05 On the day she said it, Health Canada, and I don't know why my slides aren't showing here, but Health Canada 1:03:12 had reported 119 deaths already from the COVID vaccine. 1:03:17 You have to understand, Mr. Allison, who reports this? 1:03:21 Not anyone gets access to these lists on Health Canada. 1:03:24 It has to be an attending physician who signs off on the death certificate or some other health professional that's involved with the death. 1:03:31 And that information goes to the provincial health authority 1:03:34 which then sends it to Health Canada. 1:03:36 So there's a big vetting process before they list 119 dead Canadians, while the CBC is saying to Canada that they have no evidence. 1:03:44 No wonder people were dying from this vaccine. 1:03:47 They were told that this wasn't true on a regular basis. 1:03:51 Now imagine if young Sean Hartman, whose father just testified here, who died from the vaccine, 1:03:59 had known that. 1:04:00 Imagine if CBC Kids was on his television. 1:04:04 He was in that range, that 18-year-old range for myocarditis and pericarditis. 1:04:10 Imagine if Marion Kloak's story had been broadcast like every one of her other stories in her 35-year career, and that had gone up like a public broadcaster does to the national level, and had gone across the country in June of 2021. 1:04:26 Would Sean have taken the vaccine if he'd known that people were dying, even if it was only some people, even if it was only a tiny minority? 1:04:33 Would he have taken it? 1:04:36 The next story that emerged was the thing didn't work. 1:04:39 So not only had it been established by Health Canada that it was not completely safe, but now it wasn't completely effective. 1:04:46 So CBC's cross-country checkup with Ian Hanamansing, again, one of my heroes. 1:04:50 I love this guy. 1:04:50 I used to look up to him. 1:04:52 He's so easy on the air. 1:04:53 He's easy to believe the way he talks. 1:04:55 But he used that trust and he turned it against us like a revolver. 1:05:00 with one bullet in the chamber, and we don't know how many chambers, pointed directly at us. 1:05:04 He put Isaac Bogoch on from Science Up First and didn't identify, concealed that from the public, and instead said he's simply an infectious disease expert. 1:05:13 And clearly this is a three-dose vaccine, was his message. 1:05:17 A number of months later, it still wasn't working. 1:05:19 So Isaac Bogoch went into overdrive and the rest of science up first. 1:05:22 He was on CBC Metro Morning, the flagship radio show in Toronto, saying, when to get your fourth dose. 1:05:27 He was on CBC News in October saying, get your next dose every six months. 1:05:32 He was on The National with Andrew Chang. 1:05:35 Who looks more trustworthy and honest than Andrew Chang, you know? 1:05:38 But he betrayed his audience and all of Canada that night when he put this guest on and called him an infectious disease specialist and didn't mention he was paid by the government to make you take a vaccine. 1:05:49 It was a trick. 1:05:52 On the same day he said it, 1:05:54 The death toll is now up to 370 dead Canadians reported by Canadian medical officials while they were doing this. 1:06:01 So my point is that a journalist looks at Health Canada data and doesn't tell you that people are dying. 1:06:07 And by this point, there was over 1,100 myocarditis and pericarditis, mostly young men. 1:06:12 This was a safety signal emerging while they were saying, go get another dose and don't worry, it's totally safe and effective. 1:06:19 I wonder if this woman was listening to the CBC. 1:06:22 Carol Pearce died in minute seven in her 15 minute waiting period after she got the vaccine. 1:06:28 The coroner said she died of natural causes. 1:06:32 So we really have to suspend our disbelief here that she was going to die anyway in the shopper's drug mart at that moment. 1:06:39 and that the confounding interference of the injection into her arm seven minutes before was irrelevant. 1:06:43 This is even bigger than trying to suspend her disbelief that it didn't come from the lab when the lab itself was publishing what they were doing with the coronavirus that emerged in their city. 1:06:54 Her daughter... 1:06:56 posted the last text thread where her mother wrote the last words of this woman before she died, was waiting the 15 minutes, LOL. 1:07:05 This is the type of social media post that the CBC would declare was misinformation. 1:07:11 They shamed and blamed, belittled, humiliated, and bullied. 1:07:15 I had never seen anything like this. 1:07:16 This goes beyond what China did. 1:07:18 This is getting into North Korea level of state broadcasting, where they actually attacked people who were telling the truth. 1:07:26 And they dismissed it because it was social media, which is now the only truthful media we have. 1:07:31 Because the CBC was clearly, and I'm showing evidence here, I'm submitting this, it was lying to us by now. 1:07:36 They called them anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theorists, and misinformation on social media. 1:07:42 These phrases may sound familiar to you. 1:07:44 I'm going to break down this language for a moment. 1:07:47 It's pure censorship. 1:07:48 An anti-vaxxer is meant to make you think they're unreasonable. 1:07:52 A conspiracy theorist is meant to make you think they're delusional. 1:07:56 They have a mental illness of some sort. 1:07:58 They're paranoid. 1:07:59 And misinformation means they're practicing mischief. 1:08:02 Nobody wants to be accused of these things. 1:08:04 So this is how censorship works really effectively. 1:08:07 You don't want to be called this, so you don't speak up. 1:08:09 You self-censor. 1:08:11 You shut the hell up instead of coming forward with the truth. 1:08:15 This is the language of propaganda, and it's extremely effective. 1:08:18 And I want to tell everyone here today, this is a little trick. 1:08:22 I'm trained to do this, so I understand it. 1:08:24 But the next time you're listening to any media or reading any media and you hear the phrase anti-vaxxer, conspiracy theorist, or misinformation, you are listening to propaganda. 1:08:36 Understand that from this day forward. 1:08:39 Your life may depend on it. 1:08:42 By March 1st, 2023, so many Canadians were disgusted and upset with the CBC for not reporting this story that 150 of them went at dawn down to the CBC headquarters on Front Street in Toronto and plastered flyers with their faces, their names, their injuries, the stories of their dead loved ones on the front page, on the front entrance of the CBC. 1:09:06 You could not have been a CBC employee entering in the main entrance that day and not have seen this. 1:09:11 They were saying... 1:09:13 OK, we're willing to commit a minor act of vandalism here in order to get you to pay attention. 1:09:17 We don't know what else could work. 1:09:21 But near as I can figure. 1:09:24 CBC security just went out and took the posters down. 1:09:28 And these people were not interviewed. 1:09:31 My guess is that they couldn't be interviewed. 1:09:34 Because if you take 150 of them, statistically, probably about 10 or 15 of them are going to say to the interviewer, you know, I believed you. 1:09:42 You did this to me. 1:09:44 Adrian Arsenault, Ian Hannah-Mansing, Brian Goldman, I can name 10 others. 1:09:47 You did that. 1:09:48 I trusted you. 1:09:50 They were stuck because they couldn't call them an anti-vaxxer. 1:09:53 They'd all been vaccinated. 1:09:55 They couldn't say this is misinformation. 1:09:57 They were only describing their own truly lived experience. 1:10:01 And they couldn't call them a conspiracy theorist because they weren't saying anything other than I got vaccinated and I'm injured. 1:10:07 Please tell the story. 1:10:09 By January 19th, Health Canada, 2024, 1:10:13 Health Canada had listed 488 dead Canadians reported by their medical professionals on their website. 1:10:20 The safety signals of pericarditis and myocarditis were now officially on the Health Canada website. 1:10:26 Now imagine if two and a half years prior, the CBC had simply let Mary-Anne Kloak do her story and not censored her. 1:10:33 Imagine if the CBC National had done the story and followed this as it emerged. 1:10:38 Never mind that it didn't work. 1:10:40 It was killing people. 1:10:40 Now, yes, they will say... 1:10:44 It wasn't everybody. 1:10:45 It was only some people. 1:10:47 And the biggest emerging story that I see on this page is that of the 488 deaths, Mr. Allison, 484 of them have been dismissed as non-causal. 1:10:59 So when a doctor sees somebody die and has the temerity to write on the death certificate COVID-19, how does some review panel at a later date dismiss close to 100% of them? 1:11:13 Now, instead of examining this as an investigative report, journalists will say, well, see that? 1:11:20 Only four of them really died. 1:11:21 Still not none, like they say. 1:11:25 But how is it that they dismiss almost 100% of them? 1:11:30 In this regard, CBC, in my observation, is equated with the state broadcasters of North Korea, Syria, and China. 1:11:39 I lived and worked in these countries. 1:11:41 I heard it happen. 1:11:42 I was trained at the CBC on how to be a journalist, and I watched it morph during COVID. 1:11:47 It's propaganda from the top down. 1:11:49 It's intentional manipulation of public opinion through lies, half-truths, and disinformation. 1:11:54 And by disinformation, I mean a lie with intent to mislead. 1:11:58 And that's why this inquiry is here. 1:12:02 If the CBC had done its job, we wouldn't be here doing this. 1:12:07 We need an MP like you to call an inquiry because the billion-dollar CBC failed us. 1:12:13 But it's possible that it didn't because its assignment changed. 1:12:18 It is no longer a public broadcaster. 1:12:21 It's a state broadcaster, and it did as it was told. 1:12:25 Thank you very much for listening today. 1:12:26 I wanted to come here and tell you what I have observed to be true. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
1:12:29 Well, thank you, Mr. Palmer. 1:12:30 We certainly will. 1:12:32 Yeah, well, there we go. 1:12:39 You won't get any disagreement from me, but I'm going to turn it over to Mr. Moss for a question. Speaker 5 — MP Dean Allison
1:12:44 Thank you very much for your candor today. Speaker 5 — MP Glen Motz
1:12:48 Your last statement created a question for me. 1:12:52 Now, as a state broadcaster, obviously CBC did not act alone. 1:12:58 So are you suggesting that they were prompted by the state? Speaker 8 — Rodney Palmer
1:13:03 I don't know who prompted them. 1:13:05 I do know that they shifted their allegiance from the people of Canada to an organization called the Trusted News Initiative, which was a standards organization which virtually all mainstream media in North America and worldwide subscribed to just prior to COVID. 1:13:23 And this standards organization, and this is research that I've done, would give them story ideas such as how to out lies on social media, how to shame and blame. 1:13:36 I can guess that it was a directive that would have come from the president of the CBC, but I don't know. Speaker 5 — MP Glen Motz
1:13:43 And this news background, like painting a press, we would think of it, but you just mentioned, what was the name again? Speaker 8 — Rodney Palmer
1:13:53 The Trusted News Initiative. 1:13:54 Who is that? 1:13:55 It came out of England. 1:13:56 It's kind of a murky organization. 1:14:02 It's difficult to research who they are, what they are, when they started. 1:14:06 But you have to understand that the reason I'm talking here about the CBC, because it's a crown corporation funded by federal tax dollars in its entirety. 1:14:15 But it's not alone. 1:14:16 What I've just said here could go for just about any news organization, the Globe and Mail, the National Post. Speaker 5 — MP Glen Motz
1:14:21 global tv ctv many of my former employers i worked in these organizations and i saw them doing the same thing and they were all members of this trusted news initiative well i just want to thank you for confirming what many of us have been saying for many many years of the obvious bias by our mainstream media especially our state fund broadcaster um so thank you for uh 1:14:46 for your honesty today. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
1:14:47 You're welcome. 1:14:47 And thank you. 1:14:48 And we are out of time. 1:14:49 And Mr. Palmer, somebody sent me a video of you talking at a barbecue. 1:14:53 And when I saw you, your conversation, I said, I talked to Sean. 1:14:57 I said, I think we need to have him in to help frame what we're up against. 1:15:01 And so you've done an awesome job. 1:15:03 And like every witness, we really should have you here for an hour, but we didn't have the time and we need to make room for more time. 1:15:09 So thank you very much for your presentation. 1:15:11 And I think probably confirming some of the 1:15:14 Some of the things we suspected already, but we appreciate you laying it out in such an articulate way. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:15:23 Yeah, so the every witnesses slide deck and photos will are forming exhibits and we'll have a page for each witness with their video of their testimony and the exhibits. 1:15:36 So. Speaker 8 — Rodney Palmer
1:15:37 Thank you. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:15:40 So our next witness is Shannon Holmes. 1:15:43 Shannon, can you take the Bible in your right hand? 1:15:50 Shannon Holmes, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Speaker 12 — Shannon Holmes
1:15:58 Thank you. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:16:02 I'm going to have you talk about your injury after I introduce you, but I just wanted to make the point 1:16:10 when you talk about your injuries, you didn't have COVID prior to this. Speaker 13 — Shannon Holmes
1:16:13 No. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:16:14 And in fact, you're diagnosed by your doctor with what is called, and I find this, you know, good, interesting wording, vaccine-induced long COVID. Speaker 14 — Shannon Holmes
1:16:23 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:16:24 And there's actually probably a benefit to it being defined as long COVID as far as getting treatment. 1:16:30 Although, no, okay. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:16:32 I don't know. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:16:33 Well, let me introduce you. 1:16:34 It's that word vaccine that's the problem. 1:16:38 So you are 50, you're a mother of two daughters, one of whom is here to support you today. Speaker 14 — Shannon Holmes
1:16:42 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:16:43 You were a movement therapist. 1:16:45 Yeah. 1:16:45 You did Pilates and yoga and Thai massage. 1:16:49 You worked, you had a specialty of working with people with neurological conditions and injuries such as MS and strokes. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:16:57 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:16:58 Before your vaccines, you were, you were a healthy person. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:17:02 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:17:04 you did have a couple of medical issues. 1:17:07 So you had rheumatoid arthritis, but you were in remission and you had always been managed quite well. 1:17:14 And in fact, I think what's telling is, is prior to your vaccine, you were working six days a week. 1:17:21 So moving your body as an instructor and yoga and Pilates and the like, and doing massage, which is very physical, including moving limbs and manipulating bodies. 1:17:31 There was no limitations on what you would do. 1:17:34 And you would walk 5 to 17 kilometers a day. 1:17:39 Yes. 1:17:40 So you were like totally into fitness. 1:17:43 But by the day of your second shot, you became disabled. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:17:49 So can you share with us your injury experience? Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:17:54 So I got, I had my first shot. 1:18:00 vaccine and it went the way that everybody else's did, sore arm, didn't feel so great. 1:18:05 Then went for my second one. 1:18:08 And because I'm autoimmune, I had to wait in the room for half an hour. 1:18:15 So normal people got to wait for 15 minutes. 1:18:18 We waited for half an hour. 1:18:21 And in that time, I had a painful 1:18:27 sort of vibrating and tingling happening down my legs. 1:18:31 And so I reported, like when I was going, I was sort of sitting there going, okay, well, maybe this will go away when I get up or whatever. 1:18:38 But when I got up, I was just like, so I reported it to the nurse because I had it done actually in the hospital's clinic. 1:18:46 So I said to the nurse, I was like, I have this weird feeling in my legs and my feet. 1:18:51 And so she went and got a doctor and he came over and pulled my mask down, look in my mouth. 1:18:57 And then he asked me what medications I'm on. 1:19:01 And, of course, I was on a medication for my autoimmune. 1:19:05 And so I said that to him, and he said, oh, you're autoimmune. 1:19:09 You're a giant medical question mark. 1:19:10 You can go. 1:19:12 So I went home. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:19:15 I want to slow this down because when you're talking about the sensation in your legs, like you're actually in pain. 1:19:22 It's not just this kind of vibrating sensation. 1:19:25 Yeah. 1:19:26 And it's from your thighs down to your feet. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:19:28 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:19:28 Like this is not insignificant. 1:19:30 And both legs. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:19:31 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:19:31 This is not insignificant. 1:19:33 In fact, and it was spreading into your hands and arms also, right? Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:19:36 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:19:37 So, and you're telling the doctor this. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:19:43 And yet you're basically, oh, well, you're a question mark. 1:19:47 Did they do any testing at all? Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:19:49 Zero. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:19:50 No blood work, nothing? Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:19:51 You're a giant medical question mark. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:19:54 But you're describing being in medical distress. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:19:56 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:20:03 Okay, so you're not at the hospital. 1:20:06 What happens next? Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:20:07 So I went home, and my kids were very good. 1:20:12 It was the end of August when I got this. 1:20:14 It was August 27th, and I had a heating blanket on me. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:20:17 So that's when you got the Pfizer shot. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:20:20 Yeah, I had to get Pfizer because I'm autoimmune too, so I didn't have any other choices. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:20:24 Right, so this is happening the same day that you get the shot. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:20:27 Yeah. 1:20:29 So so anyways, they sent me on my way, got home and I was shaking and I was freezing and I had this pain still in my legs and it was sort of starting to go through my body. 1:20:42 And I figured, OK, well, this is, you know, because my kids, when they got their first shot, it really they were out for a few days. 1:20:52 So I was like, OK, well, maybe this is just what that is. 1:20:57 And I had gotten the shot later on in the afternoon. 1:21:00 So by the time night came, I just took some pain medication and I went to sleep. 1:21:06 That night was one of the most painful nights of my life. 1:21:10 I'm sorry. 1:21:16 I get these things at night where I'm getting electrocuted. 1:21:23 And... 1:21:24 I actually get, like, it actually physically moves my body because it feels like I'm having, like, a buildup of electrocution. 1:21:36 And it just, like, I can't stop it. 1:21:39 It just throws me. Speaker 7 — Shannon Holmes
1:21:41 And that was the first night it happened. 1:21:49 And it hasn't stopped since. 1:21:52 So, um... Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:21:53 The next day. 1:21:55 I need to slow you down here. 1:21:56 So what's going through your mind? 1:21:59 This has never happened to you before. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:22:02 I was just trying to survive. 1:22:05 And I didn't want to wake the kids. 1:22:09 I couldn't even barely move. 1:22:10 It's just like you just sort of get tossed around the bed. 1:22:15 And like trying to cling to things. 1:22:17 Oh, and close hurt. 1:22:19 So it feels like they're burning on your skin. 1:22:22 So like, so I tore my clothes off and I was just like getting thrown around. 1:22:26 I had no idea what was happening. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:22:29 Also, when we were speaking, you were talking about you were getting back pain at that time. 1:22:34 Can you share that with us? Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:22:36 So the pain that I still have as well is I feel like I'm getting stabbed straight through my back. 1:22:42 And that's why I have to lay down a lot. 1:22:46 I don't sit very often. 1:22:48 because I feel like my spine is crushing and it feels like it's choking me. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:22:55 So can you give us a little more detail about that? 1:22:58 It says, when I was interviewing you, I was actually finding it interesting that you were describing some of your symptoms 1:23:07 Almost like there is somebody attacking you. 1:23:11 Yeah. 1:23:12 So I don't want you to shy away from that. 1:23:14 So you literally feel like somebody has their hands around your neck. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:23:18 Yeah. 1:23:20 All the time. 1:23:22 Whenever I'm sitting. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:23:26 Okay. 1:23:26 So that night. 1:23:28 You're having all of these seizures for hours. 1:23:30 I just want to, I understand you have a lot of videos, but because it's somebody filming you when you're in your bed, most of them aren't decent, but we have one. 1:23:39 Yes. 1:23:40 And David, can we pull that up? 1:23:42 And my understanding is this isn't even, oh, well, first of all, this is a photo of you before. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:23:47 Yep. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:23:48 Like, okay. 1:23:50 And let's go to the next one. 1:23:51 This is another one of you. 1:23:52 Like you were, these just demonstrate who you were beforehand. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:23:55 Yep. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:23:56 But let's go to this video. 1:23:58 And my understanding, this isn't even a bad shocking episode, the one that we're watching. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:24:02 No. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:24:02 It's a mild one. 1:24:06 And we'll play it twice. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:24:09 So you can see I'm actually getting yanked and pulled. Speaker 13 — Shannon Holmes
1:24:18 But that lasts for hours. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
1:24:28 And you have no control over this when it starts to happen? Speaker 13 — Shannon Holmes
1:24:31 No. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:24:34 And it's painful when it's happening? Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:24:36 It's very painful. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:24:37 And it's still happening today? Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:24:39 Yep. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:24:42 Okay. 1:24:42 So what do you do then? 1:24:43 So you've had this first night. 1:24:45 Yeah. 1:24:46 You're terrified. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:24:47 Yeah. 1:24:48 And that's when I developed the pain going through my back and everything. 1:24:53 And then I also, throughout the day, because I... 1:24:59 Sorry, I looked at my daughter and she's crying. 1:25:03 So I also started developing where I couldn't eat. 1:25:10 Anytime I ate anything, I felt like I was digesting a car crash. 1:25:14 I just felt like shards of glass were going through my system. 1:25:17 So I actually couldn't eat anything. 1:25:21 And I had called friends because my kids were still young. 1:25:26 This is five years ago. 1:25:27 And so I called friends to come over because I knew I needed to get to the hospital. 1:25:34 And so they came and they called the ambulance. 1:25:40 And then I got taken to the hospital. 1:25:46 And when I arrived, they were... 1:25:53 I was sort of in the triage session, I guess. 1:25:55 And so they came up and they're like, okay, so what else is going on with you? 1:25:59 And I'm like, I feel like, like my skin is being electrocuted. 1:26:03 I feel like I'm getting stabbed. 1:26:05 I said, there's something wrong with my back. 1:26:07 And like, I feel like I'm being choked. 1:26:10 And I said, I can't eat anything. 1:26:12 And I also developed this other feeling where I feel like my, all my nails and my teeth are being ripped off of me constantly. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:26:24 Sorry, this is another description, almost like as if you're being assaulted. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:26:27 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:26:29 And is this still going on? Speaker 7 — Shannon Holmes
1:26:30 Yes. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
1:26:33 Are you feeling that way right now? Speaker 7 — Shannon Holmes
1:26:34 Yes. 1:26:39 I'm going to need a medication. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:26:41 So you're on a lot of medication right now, also part to mitigate pain? 1:26:46 Yeah. 1:26:47 What's your pain like right now? Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:26:50 Probably about an eight or a nine, because I drove in yesterday. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:26:55 Okay, so the act of having to drive here so you could testify, you're being punished for that physically. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:27:01 Yes, definitely. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:27:03 That's another part of your condition is if you're going to do something, you get penalized. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:27:09 Yes, oh yes. 1:27:11 And the problem with that is the more I do, there's something called post-exertion malaise, PEM, and when you do that, 1:27:24 if you push yourself and you end up, I'll end up in bed for days. 1:27:28 That could actually end up being my new norm. 1:27:31 I could actually not recover from that. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
1:27:38 So what, what is it like? Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:27:40 So this happened years ago. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:27:42 Five years. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:27:43 What's your condition today? 1:27:44 Like, are you, are you able to live independently? Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:27:49 I don't think I'd be able to. 1:27:51 I have my daughter's. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:27:54 Am I right that you can't go out alone? Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:27:56 I can't go out alone. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:27:58 So you're stuck in your home unless somebody's going to take you out. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:28:02 Yeah, like if I were to try to go do groceries, I can't. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:28:08 And you spend most of your day in bed? Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:28:10 Yep, or on the couch. 1:28:13 That's it, laying down. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
1:28:16 And you are in chronic pain every day? 1:28:19 Yes. 1:28:24 Is the medical system doing anything for you at all? Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:28:28 So it's interesting because when I actually went into the ER and I told them all the issues that I was having when I went in the first time, and they actually told me, pick one. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
1:28:46 What do you mean, pick one? Speaker 2 — Shannon Holmes
1:28:47 Pick one issue that you're having. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:28:48 That's it. 1:28:59 So they gave me some Toradol and they gave me some morphine. 1:29:08 The morphine did nothing, like zero. 1:29:10 I was still stone sober after they gave me morphine. 1:29:13 It did zero for me. 1:29:15 And they put me in this weird part of the hospital where it looked like there were like cubicles, but beds everywhere. 1:29:21 And it was like dark. 1:29:23 I don't know. 1:29:24 It was very strange. 1:29:25 And then I was still in pain. 1:29:27 So they gave me another bag of morphine. 1:29:30 Still did nothing. 1:29:31 And so then they discharged me. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:29:37 You told me when we were being interviewed that you have been rejected for 12 to 15 referrals from your doctor. 1:29:44 Can you share with us about that? 1:29:46 And these are referrals to specialists to help you. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:29:50 Yes. 1:29:50 So when I left the ER, I had Percocets at home. 1:29:57 So I just started taking those because it was a Saturday going into Sunday. 1:30:03 Monday morning, I called my family doctor and I got an appointment with her right away. 1:30:08 And she was amazing. 1:30:11 She tried 1:30:13 she was sending referrals everywhere and I just kept getting rejections. 1:30:16 And then it happened for so long that then they, the rejections turned into them calling me a long hauler. 1:30:23 And so I was getting rejected because it was a long hauler because it lasted so long. 1:30:29 And so I eventually did end up, um, getting referred to, um, to really good specialists, um, 1:30:41 I don't know if I want to say the profession because I don't want to risk him. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:30:44 No, no, you don't. 1:30:45 You don't have to put anyone who's actually helping you in jeopardy. Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:30:49 Yeah, yeah. 1:30:52 So once he sort of took over... 1:30:54 My family doctor got to breathe a bit, and so he's been instrumental in getting me medications to do help with some of the issues. 1:31:04 So inside of the vaccine-induced long COVID umbrella, I've been diagnosed with all three types of POTS, the main one being hyperhydrogenic. 1:31:15 I've been with ME-CFS, so I'm going to say it wrong, myelitis cephalitis or something, and then chronic fatigue syndrome. 1:31:26 functional neurological disorder and mast cell activation syndrome. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
1:31:37 Yeah, I just want to start by thanking you for taking the time to be here today. 1:31:41 And I know that a lot of people don't always understand our witnesses at the table, the type of pain and suffering they actually have to endure to be here. 1:31:50 You talked about your daughters and their support. 1:31:53 Yeah. 1:31:54 Can you talk to us a bit more about how it's affected your family? Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:31:57 Well, I used to cook all of the meals. 1:32:03 I was very healthy. 1:32:04 Right. 1:32:05 And I used to make all the meals and I had no problem doing that. 1:32:11 And. 1:32:12 doing activities with them. 1:32:14 And, you know, even during COVID before I was injured, we were, you know, outside painting and like, we just do whatever we could. 1:32:24 And the biggest thing was we'd go for our walks. 1:32:28 And when we went for our walks, there were no funds. 1:32:32 We walked and we actually talked and we had such a deep relationship. 1:32:39 And since losing that, 1:32:45 My kids have to help me with pretty much everything. 1:32:50 They have to help me clean. 1:32:52 They have to help cook. 1:32:53 And, you know, and even with school, I feel like I let them down all the time. 1:33:01 Because I can't always be there with most of the conditions I have. 1:33:07 Sometimes I have such bad brain fog, I can't even think of words. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
1:33:15 And you also talked about the docs sort of say, like, you've got to pick one, but you listed some, so you've got half a dozen or more different issues going on. Speaker 10 — Shannon Holmes
1:33:26 Yeah. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
1:33:28 Like, how many issues would you have going on that you would actually need attention for that you're maybe only getting help for one of them? Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:33:37 Well, yeah, so my one doctor has been good with doing what he can. 1:33:42 But the issue is now is that, like, I can't get in. 1:33:46 I've had five neurologists, and they've all done something little, or it was for a specific reason, but I can't get anybody to actually help with that. 1:33:56 the neuro stuff. 1:33:58 It's just sort of, I just keep sort of getting blown off. 1:34:02 I had one neurologist that I saw and she, when she found out it was a vaccine injury, she, she said, oh, I can't do anything for you and sent me on my way. 1:34:16 And she said she was going to send some referrals for my doctor to get some blood work done. 1:34:21 There was nothing. 1:34:22 They don't even have a record of me being at that clinic. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
1:34:26 Yeah, so I'm guessing anytime, if you could get a specialist, that would be sort of the response. 1:34:32 We just, we have no idea. Speaker 16 — Shannon Holmes
1:34:33 Yeah. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
1:34:35 It's kind of hard to get treatment when there's, no one's got any concept and doctors don't seem to be talking too much to each other. 1:34:43 Yeah. 1:34:43 Very hard to move forward when. 1:34:45 there's a corner silence around the medical industry too, right? Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:34:48 Yeah. 1:34:48 Well, and so I wasn't getting a treatment that I did have access. 1:34:54 I was very lucky to get a really amazing pain doctor as well. 1:34:58 And he put me into a high dose ketamine treatment that was happening at one of the hospitals in Toronto. 1:35:06 And over the course of two years, you get five high dose ketamines with six hours of being pretty much in a ketamine coma. 1:35:16 And it was actually helping with my neurological issues. 1:35:19 But because it's so high sought after, after two years, you kind of get kicked out and you get sent to another clinic. 1:35:28 But the time is half as long and it's not, I don't get the same bolus dose. 1:35:33 And so everything's coming back because I can't get access because I need double the amount of ketamine than what OHIP pays for. 1:35:43 And ketamine is $600 a shot. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
1:35:46 So that was going to be my next question. 1:35:48 Like what type of out-of-pocket costs? Speaker 15 — Shannon Holmes
1:35:52 I can't afford it, so I can't do it. 1:35:54 So I'm stuck every two months trying to make it last as long as I can. 1:35:59 But I can feel all of like everything coming back. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
1:36:05 Listen, I want to thank you so much for sharing your story and for your daughter coming to be the support and what you're doing at home as well. 1:36:15 So 1:36:15 We do appreciate you taking the time. 1:36:17 We understand completely the sacrifices it takes to be here and be a part, but we can assure you, you are a voice for so many other people. 1:36:26 So thank you so much. 1:36:27 Thank you. 1:36:27 For having the strength to be here. Speaker 8 — Myriam Bohémier
1:36:29 Thank you. Speaker 13 — Shawn Buckley
1:36:31 And lawyer Miriam Bohemia will be calling our next witness. Speaker 13 — Myriam Bohémier
1:36:47 Bonjour, Madame Lavoie. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:36:49 Good morning, Ms. Lavoie. 1:36:52 Could you lift your right hand? 1:36:56 Do you solemnly affirm that you're going to say the truth, only the truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Speaker 13 — Lisa Lavoie
1:37:08 I do. Speaker 13 — Myriam Bohémier
1:37:11 Perfect. 1:37:13 So, Madame Lavoie, you are 68. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:37:20 You were a nurse and you were working in a research lab and you retired in 2015. Speaker 13 — Myriam Bohémier
1:37:31 At the time you took your vaccine, you were a driving instructor. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:37:42 So you were working four times a week. 1:37:45 You're married. 1:37:46 You have two daughters. 1:37:49 and you have three grandchildren. 1:37:53 You told me that before your vaccination, you never had COVID. Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:37:58 No, I never had it. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:38:00 And how was your health? Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:38:02 I was in good health. 1:38:03 I was not taking any medication, and I was practicing some activities. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:38:09 You told me about the activities that you were doing before you took your vaccine. 1:38:15 You were very active. 1:38:16 What kind of activities did you do? Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:38:19 I was walking a lot. Speaker 13 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:38:21 I loved to dance. Speaker 13 — Myriam Bohémier
1:38:27 And you traveled a lot as well. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:38:29 Yes, indeed. 1:38:34 You would go on hikes. Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:38:37 Yes, I would go with my youngest daughter. 1:38:41 Yes. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:38:44 So you took two doses of the Pfizer vaccine. 1:38:48 on October 1st and 29th, 2021. Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:38:53 That's right. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:38:54 And why did you get vaccinated? Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:38:59 Well, first, because of social pressure to have my freedom of traveling as well, because in September of 2021, Quebec imposed the vaccine passport. 1:39:18 Yes, that's what I would call the freedom passport. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:39:26 Why did you get vaccinated? Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:39:29 Well, because of that, first of all. 1:39:33 But also because I've been told that it was efficient and it was a way to protect our children and grandchildren. 1:39:41 And also I couldn't work without getting vaccinated. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:39:46 Were you in the car with someone next to you? Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:39:51 Yes, because you were doing it as a driving instructor. 1:39:55 That's why. 1:39:56 Indeed. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:40:00 So how did your symptoms start after you took the vaccines? Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:40:06 I can tell you that right before I took the second dose, I realized that I was fatigued and it wasn't normal. 1:40:17 I went hiking with my daughter, and on our way back, I was feeling tired, and usually I didn't feel tired. 1:40:24 I was out of breath. 1:40:31 And at some point, it went downhill, and I thought it was maybe because of work. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:40:36 Should I take some time off? Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:40:41 That's what was happening at that time. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:40:45 And you had trouble sleeping as well, breathing? Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:40:51 Yes, it started when I went on vacation. 1:40:55 I took some time off. 1:40:57 And then I realized that some nights I would wake up out of breath. 1:41:04 I would cough. 1:41:07 And at some point I went to a doctor because I was wondering what was happening to me. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:41:11 At what time was that? Speaker 13 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:41:15 It was in January, January 2022. Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:41:25 In January, I went to see a doctor and he told me that it was bronchitis. 1:41:32 And that I needed three to four weeks for it to heal. 1:41:35 And at that time, you were in Florida. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:41:37 So you went to a U.S. clinic. Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:41:42 Indeed. 1:41:44 After that, it only went downhill. 1:41:47 I would have to sleep sitting. 1:41:50 And I didn't understand what to do. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:41:54 Why would you sleep sitting? Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:41:56 Because I couldn't breathe. 1:41:58 I would be coughing. 1:42:00 And I told my husband, we need to do something. 1:42:04 I couldn't take my walks anymore. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:42:08 So you couldn't go from the hotel to your car? Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:42:12 Yes, that's the case. Speaker 13 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:42:19 So I decided to go see the doctor. Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:42:22 And I went back to the nurse at the clinic. 1:42:26 And after checking my lungs, she told me to go to the hospital. 1:42:32 From there, I was in shock because I was wondering what was happening to me. 1:42:37 So that was your second appointment after you've been told that you had bronchitis. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:42:43 You had a second appointment and you've been told to go to the hospital. Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:42:48 Exactly. 1:42:49 I went to the ER. 1:42:57 Then I've been told that I had fluids in my lungs and I had a 10% injection fraction in my heart. Speaker 13 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:43:15 And then I started being afraid of dying. 1:43:23 I was in good health before that. Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:43:27 The nurse told me, listen, ma'am, we think that you're suffering from a condition that's linked to the COVID-19 vaccine because we have a young man here who has the same condition as you. 1:43:45 But I'm not 18. 1:43:47 And then they started to look for treatments. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:43:53 And how did you react to that news? 1:43:57 Well, I was thinking, how come is that possible? Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:44:01 Pfizer is supposed to be efficient. 1:44:04 It's a renowned pharmaceutical company. 1:44:10 So I couldn't fathom it. 1:44:16 So then they told me that they were going to give me some medicine. 1:44:22 and told me about the side effects and I started using it. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:44:30 So you've been hospitalized for four days to take out the fluids that were in your lungs? Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:44:39 Exactly. 1:44:42 And after that, I stayed two weeks for them to be able to adjust 1:44:47 the medication before I came back to Canada. 1:44:50 And when I came back to Canada, I went to a cardiologist in Sherbrooke who told me the same thing. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:44:59 The cardiologist told you that it was because of the vaccine as well? Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:45:05 Yes, there was a young man there and he was waiting for a heart transplant. 1:45:13 And I was feeling lucky that I was still alive, even though my heart was working at 10%. 1:45:22 And that's how it went. 1:45:26 And I started doing research and getting answers. 1:45:31 I also understand that you saw an immunologist who filled medical reports, not only for you to be able to get on the VIAP, 1:45:44 program for Quebec, but also that doctor filed a report for Pfizer, for your side effects to be reported to Pfizer. Speaker 12 — Myriam Bohémier
1:45:58 Let's start talking about the vaccination program. 1:46:04 It's in 2022 that you submitted your application for the program. Speaker 12 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:46:13 Yes, in October. 1:46:15 And to answer your question, it's on September 8, 2025, that they've informed me that they're starting to study my case. Speaker 16 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:46:33 After that, last August, I received an email saying, 1:46:38 saying that I would have a hearing this coming October. 1:46:41 So it took four years, four years before you had the chance to be heard for your vaccine injury. Speaker 16 — Myriam Bohémier
1:46:57 Let's go through Pfizer's answer that you received following your doctor's report. 1:47:09 that was sent to Pfizer. 1:47:10 I won't read the entire thing, but I think it's important that we hear certain excerpts. 1:47:15 Pfizer tells you, we're sorry to hear of your difficulties following vaccination. 1:47:26 They want to mention an option that could be available to you. 1:47:32 It's interesting that Pfizer says Health Canada examined the innocuousness and the safety of the vaccine countless times. 1:47:42 In 2020, Health Canada issued a vaccine approval for this vaccine. 1:47:58 For people 16 plus, really in the case of the pandemic, the COVID pandemic. 1:48:06 It then allowed approval, it then approved the vaccine for 12 to 16 years old. 1:48:14 And then a full approval for 12 plus. 1:48:18 November 9, 2021, Health Canada approved the use of the vaccine for follow-up doses for 1:48:28 age 12 plus after a first dose, six months previous. 1:48:36 And then the 5 to 11-year-olds received approval for the vaccine. 1:48:40 In 2022, Health Canada authorized the use of the vaccine for booster shots for 12 to 15 years old. 1:48:50 And in 2022, Health Canada authorized booster shots for 16 to 17-year-olds. 1:48:59 In 2022, Health Canada authorized the use of vaccine for booster shots for 11 to 15. 1:49:08 In 2022, Health Canada authorized vaccine use for six months to five-year-olds. 1:49:17 Also in 2022, Health Canada authorized bivalent booster shots for 15 years plus. 1:49:30 And then it subsequently approved the bivalent booster shots for 15 plus. 1:49:39 Health Canada. 1:49:41 carried out an in-depth examination of preclinical and clinical information, as well as information on the manufacturing process to ensure the quality of the vaccine. 1:49:54 Following an examination of the available information, Health Canada decided that the available evidence allowed it to approve the vaccine based on knowledge of the risks. 1:50:14 Tens of millions of doses were used in Canada and elsewhere. 1:50:21 Pfizer has full confidence in the safety and efficacy of the vaccine based on this evidence. 1:50:34 In a case where you are seeking compensation for the vaccination, Pfizer does not believe that your case is valid. 1:50:44 It notes that Quebec has a program of vaccine assistance. 1:50:51 Pfizer takes seriously requests such as yours and the information that you provided. 1:51:02 It will help us with our global understanding of vaccines and our vigilance in regard to vaccine. 1:51:09 Pfizer is unable to provide the answer you were seeking, but we are sensitive to your situation. 1:51:18 This Pfizer letter is available in the evidence. 1:51:22 So ultimately Pfizer is just relying on Health Canada. 1:51:28 It's turning towards Health Canada to wash its hands of its own responsibility. Speaker 13 — Myriam Bohémier
1:51:34 The FD720 cat is what I received. Speaker 16 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:51:46 I am sitting on a bomb right now. 1:51:48 I don't know how my body is going to react. 1:51:52 And I really have had my life taken from me. 1:52:02 I understand that you had to have a pacemaker installed. 1:52:07 I have a pacemaker, a defibrillator. 1:52:12 That has caused problems as well. 1:52:16 I've had thrombosis in the arm twice, serious bleeding, and I still have trouble with my arm. 1:52:24 I can't use it properly. 1:52:28 I'm relying on my partner to help me. Speaker 16 — Myriam Bohémier
1:52:34 You also take anticoagulants constantly. Speaker 16 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:52:37 That's right. 1:52:37 I'll be taking them for life. 1:52:43 I'm still worried about hurting myself somehow and bleeding, bleeding to death. 1:52:53 There are arrhythmias. 1:52:55 I don't think that my pacemaker could deal with it. 1:52:59 I'll have to add drugs in that case, which I probably won't be able to withstand. 1:53:05 So truly things are not rosy. Speaker 16 — Myriam Bohémier
1:53:11 You also mentioned that you retired. 1:53:16 Because you wanted to travel. 1:53:18 And what of your plans today? Speaker 16 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:53:25 I've given up on it. 1:53:27 I can't be far away. 1:53:28 I need treatment. 1:53:31 If ever I'm far away and I need treatment, well, that's inconceivable. 1:53:39 And this is what I think about. Speaker 16 — Myriam Bohémier
1:53:44 What's been the worst for you through all this process? Speaker 16 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:53:51 First of all, we were lied to. 1:53:55 I'm still trying to get the truth like many of us here. 1:54:00 I hope that we'll receive it one day. 1:54:04 But I am a shadow of myself. 1:54:07 I used to be full of energy, ready for anything. 1:54:14 Now I can't work standing up for too long. 1:54:17 I have to sit down. 1:54:19 Otherwise, I'll go completely nuts. Speaker 16 — Myriam Bohémier
1:54:24 You had to reduce your work hours to 15 hours a week. Speaker 16 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:54:27 That's right. 1:54:28 I can't do more than five hours a day because I just become exhausted. 1:54:34 I have no energy. 1:54:35 If I do too much in a day, which is something I still try to do, then I pay for it the next day. 1:54:42 Absolutely. 1:54:45 So my life is very limited. Speaker 16 — Myriam Bohémier
1:54:49 You told me that you have gone from being autonomous, independent to someone who relies on their partner for daily errands and tasks, for driving, to be able to carry out activities. 1:55:08 And every single day you have to gauge how much energy you have before undertaking something. 1:55:16 A lot of the problem is the anxiety. Speaker 16 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:55:18 I don't want to take antidepressants. 1:55:20 I know how they can affect us. 1:55:24 But I'm dealing with all that as well at the same time. 1:55:29 I'll let the MPs comment or question. Speaker 2 — Lisa Lavoie, translated by Myriam Bohémier
1:55:36 Thank you. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
1:55:38 And we appreciate your journey too. Speaker 17 — Lisa Lavoie
1:55:42 Thanks to you. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
1:55:44 And so I just wanted to know, how does this affect the family in terms of your immediate family or maybe even extended? Speaker 17 — Lisa Lavoie
1:55:55 It does because I lost a brother for pancreas cancer during the COVID. 1:56:04 One of my daughters had cervical cancer. 1:56:07 She's okay, but she had to have a hysterectomy. 1:56:11 So 1:56:12 It frightens me. 1:56:13 My mother doesn't do well. 1:56:16 She has heart problems too. 1:56:19 And I'm afraid from the long term because this is a poison in us. 1:56:27 So we don't know what's going to happen in the future. 1:56:34 It doesn't go away. 1:56:35 It's in us. 1:56:37 So my husband is okay. 1:56:41 He's a great help. Speaker 7 — Lisa Lavoie
1:56:44 Thank God I have them. Speaker 17 — Lisa Lavoie
1:56:47 And my children are probably listening to me today. Speaker 7 — Lisa Lavoie
1:56:52 And they are my sunshines. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
1:57:03 I want to say thank you very much for taking the time to be here and sharing your experiences. 1:57:08 We really appreciate it. Speaker 17 — Lisa Lavoie
1:57:09 Thank you very much. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:57:28 Our next witness is Joseph Pritchard. 1:57:32 Joseph, will you put the Bible in your right hand? 1:57:36 Joseph Pritchard, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Speaker 3 — Joseph Pritchard
1:57:47 I do. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:57:49 I'd like to introduce you to the inquiry, but first I want to point out, you're going to be describing some injuries. 1:57:56 You didn't have COVID when you were injured. 1:57:57 This is 1:57:59 And another thing is that when we were having earlier conversations, you made it clear to me that because you were in a coma, you have some memory issues. Speaker 3 — Joseph Pritchard
1:58:12 Yeah, brain fog, much like some of the other people here today. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:58:14 Right. 1:58:15 So we just need to be patient with you, perhaps, depending on how things go. 1:58:21 So not that we were going to be impatient anyway. 1:58:26 You were 46. 1:58:27 So when all of this happened, you'd be around 41. 1:58:29 I was. 1:58:30 You were a project manager. 1:58:32 You built commercial buildings, houses. 1:58:34 You were involved with an elevator company. 1:58:36 You know, you'd move machines. 1:58:39 You're basically very involved in things like that. 1:58:44 Very physical. 1:58:45 You were healthy before vaccination. 1:58:47 I was. 1:58:48 I worked out five days a week. 1:58:50 Yeah. 1:58:50 Well, yeah, which is one of those things. 1:58:52 So. 1:58:53 You, when you say worked out, you mean go to the gym with lifting weights. 1:58:57 Yeah. 1:58:58 So a serious bodybuilder. 1:59:02 You told me. Speaker 6 — Shawn Buckley
1:59:02 I wouldn't say that. 1:59:03 I wouldn't say that. Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
1:59:04 But I put in a lot of effort to stay healthy and avoid, you know, those things that come with aging, right? 1:59:10 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:59:11 You're at work by 6 a.m. You were telling me you're lifting stuff all day. 1:59:15 You have energy and focus, very active and healthy. 1:59:19 And no medications, which tells us that you're not being managed on anything. 1:59:26 Actually, usually I wait until we go through the test a little bit. 1:59:30 I want to get your photos right away. 1:59:32 They're very good. 1:59:33 Before you describe things. 1:59:34 So, David, can we have the first photo? 1:59:38 And so tell us about this photo. 1:59:40 You're healthy in this photo. Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
1:59:42 I was at lunch, and I actually just got my hair cut the day before, and somebody wanted to see it. 1:59:46 So I just happened to have that photo on my phone, so I shared it with you. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
1:59:50 Right, yeah, so this is a selfie before you're vaccinated and you're healthy. 1:59:57 And for a little bit of a contrast, let's go to the next photo. Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:00:03 Yeah, I must have been in the middle of my coma at that point, as you can tell. 2:00:10 And if you look carefully at my stomach, that wasn't from burgers and whatnot. 2:00:14 There was a football-sized cyst in my stomach at that point that... 2:00:20 was exploding and had me septic. 2:00:22 If you notice how swollen my arms, my hands, and my neck is there, it was leaking and causing me multi-organ failure. 2:00:30 So it was at this point that I told my family to make my funeral arrangements. 2:00:35 And these were the photos, I think I stole them from my dad's phone, of me. 2:00:41 I guess your family members take pictures of you so they can show everybody what happened on the way out, right? 2:00:46 And so I decided to do it. 2:00:49 share them with you guys today. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:00:51 Yeah, I have to tell you that I've looked at this photo on several occasions, and every time I see this photo, I get angry. 2:01:03 I do too, so I'm trying not to look at it. 2:01:06 Yeah, and I'm not trying to be rude, but I didn't know you could put that many tubes down somebody's throat. Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:01:13 There's another picture I sent you that's back more, and it has more of the machines. 2:01:18 As my father said, I was hooked up to everything in the hospital, dialysis. 2:01:22 I think you can actually see the dialysis machine in the back. 2:01:25 I had banks of those IV machines with, they call them channels, and all the little bags and whatnot. 2:01:32 I had, you know, they actually installed tubes coming out of places you wouldn't accept normally see tubes. 2:01:39 Like in my chest, I had a tube. 2:01:41 I had tubes coming out of my arm. 2:01:43 I had wires in my feet. 2:01:44 I have a small... 2:01:46 quarter-sized circle on the back of my head that I guess they had to put some sensor in. 2:01:50 So I just tell everybody I was in the Matrix for a while. 2:01:53 So, you know, they kind of get a good laugh out of that one. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:01:56 Right. 2:01:57 So I hope this photo is still on the screen for the online audience. 2:02:03 So just to recap again, several things are going on. 2:02:06 So first of all, you're in a coma. 2:02:07 You're not aware when this photo is taken. 2:02:11 Your stomach is extended because as you described it, there's like a football size cyst, but it's burst and you're septic. 2:02:19 It was leaking. 2:02:20 Yes, it was 32 centimeters, according to the doctor. 2:02:24 Right. 2:02:24 And so that's part of the reason why you're so bloated. 2:02:29 Like when we look at your neck, like we looked at that picture before, it's like your neck today. 2:02:34 This is like a triple chin. 2:02:38 You've got so much water and your arms are so large. 2:02:41 Yeah. 2:02:42 So can we go to the next photo? Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:02:46 So this photo was taken a month or two later. 2:02:49 And the young man in the photo with me, I've grown up with him. 2:02:53 He was like a nephew to me. 2:02:54 And he was brought into the hospital. 2:02:56 So I unhooked all my machines and told them, you know, I thought I'd never see him again. 2:03:02 And when they brought him into the ER, he collapsed playing soccer. 2:03:05 I can't remember what happened to him. 2:03:07 I insisted on going down to see him. 2:03:09 And when I came in the room, he didn't even know it was me. 2:03:12 As you can see, it was a big difference in the picture from two months before. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:03:16 Yeah. 2:03:17 I picked this picture to show how much weight you had lost. Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:03:20 Yep. 2:03:21 I was, uh, I went, I think in the last photo was over 300 pounds. 2:03:25 I normally walk around about 240 and in that picture I was 152 or 153 pounds. Speaker 6 — Shawn Buckley
2:03:32 Yeah, no, it's a, it's a visible difference. Speaker 4 — Joseph Pritchard
2:03:35 Yep. Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:03:35 And I noticed I had the raccoon eyes like we were talking about before. 2:03:39 Hair loss. 2:03:42 Unfortunately, I'm not hooked up to all the machines there. 2:03:44 So I was only allowed to be in the ER for a few minutes before they wheeled me back up to the other room and hooked me back up again. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:03:50 Right. 2:03:51 Well, and that in itself is part of the story. 2:03:53 So when this picture is taken, your treatment protocol is so strict that basically you're confined to bed because you've got all these tubes in you. 2:04:04 Right. 2:04:04 And different machines running. 2:04:06 Right. 2:04:08 Okay, well, let's talk about your experience then. 2:04:10 You get your first shot, a Pfizer shot, on May 20th, 2021. 2:04:15 What happens? Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:04:18 It wasn't immediate onset. 2:04:20 I like to think I'm tougher than most people and things take longer to get to me. 2:04:23 But, you know, you start feeling off. 2:04:27 You don't feel yourself. 2:04:29 It was during the pandemic, so things were slowing down and, you know, we weren't as busy as we normally are. 2:04:35 So I maybe figured, you know, I'm skipping the gym now, and maybe that's why. 2:04:40 But I did notice that I started feeling what the doctors started saying was hypertension. 2:04:46 Oh, you have high blood pressure. 2:04:47 That's weird. 2:04:48 You've had high blood pressure before. 2:04:50 Could this be COVID? 2:04:51 No. 2:04:52 You're over your 40s now. 2:04:53 This is what happens. 2:04:54 It's part of the aging process. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:04:56 So I just want to stop you here because you are, at the time, 41. 2:05:01 Mm-hmm. 2:05:05 you are going to the gym five days a week. 2:05:10 You're like on your feet working all day, lifting, doing things. 2:05:14 You've never had high blood pressure. 2:05:18 And you're being told this is just, oh, it's because you're in your 40s now. 2:05:22 You're like you're 41. 2:05:23 Yeah. 2:05:27 So the degree you got high blood pressure 2:05:33 Was there any testing? 2:05:34 Were you put on any medications? Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:05:37 Yes, there was some standard medication. 2:05:39 I can't remember what it was called now, but they said this is what everybody who takes who has high blood pressure. 2:05:45 I believe my resting blood pressure was like 160 over 100, which is pretty significant. 2:05:52 And I remember thinking like, hmm, something's not right here. 2:05:56 But, you know, maybe I just work out more and eat a little bit better and it'll go away. 2:06:00 Because, you know, it definitely wasn't the vaccine, according to the doctor I spoke to at the time. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:06:05 Now, you're also weak and you're having sweating issues around that time. 2:06:10 Can you share with us about those? Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:06:13 You know, you don't feel great. 2:06:15 You're sweating. 2:06:17 You get little hot flashes, like, you know, like almost like you're nervous. 2:06:21 And, you know, I thought maybe I just need to do better at the gym. 2:06:25 Like, this is terrible. 2:06:26 I don't feel that well. 2:06:28 And... 2:06:30 I didn't think to question that it was the vaccine. 2:06:32 I did initially, and they just said it was aging. 2:06:34 And I really wish that somebody had said, hey, maybe you should go get a little more testing because I could have probably prevented all of this. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:06:44 And I'm just going to stop you there because this seems to be a common theme. 2:06:48 And it's something I think we need to point out is we've had several witnesses indicate that if they had been recognized as vaccine insured 2:07:00 and then treated for their injuries, that a lot of the suffering and deterioration that they suffered could have been stopped then. 2:07:09 Like the story could have been different. 2:07:10 And that's your case also. Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:07:12 It could have prevented everything that followed, you know, from New Year's Eve of 2021, which was about five months before or four months before that picture was taken. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:07:24 Okay. 2:07:25 So you're, 2:07:27 Blood pressure's high, you're weak, you're sweating all the time. 2:07:32 You're also having temperature problems in bed. Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:07:35 Yes. 2:07:36 So one of my good friends that I work out with, he's a personal trainer. 2:07:40 I remember telling him that I had like three different temperature zones on my body. 2:07:43 I had one set of blankets which were heavier for my legs. 2:07:47 Then I had basically a light sheet over my stomach. 2:07:50 And then I had a different blanket over my chest and up on my neck. 2:07:54 And I remember him looking at me, he's like, 2:07:56 you should go to the doctor and get checked out. 2:07:57 He goes, this is, this is abnormal. 2:07:59 And I said, well, you know, it's COVID. 2:08:03 You just can't get into a doctor. 2:08:04 It's, it's very hard. 2:08:05 Right. 2:08:06 And I had, this would have been getting close to my booster shot. 2:08:13 I remember having that discussion with him saying like, you know, something's not right. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:08:18 Okay. 2:08:19 So you have July 21st, 2021, you get your second shot. 2:08:23 Right. 2:08:23 So that was Pfizer also? Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:08:25 It was also Pfizer. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:08:26 And tell us what happened. Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:08:28 Just more of the same. 2:08:30 That discussion we just had was after the second shot. 2:08:32 Okay. 2:08:33 So things had just gradually gotten worse. 2:08:36 And, you know, it wasn't until there's a picture of me. 2:08:40 I didn't include it. 2:08:41 It was taken around September of that year. 2:08:45 And my friend's mother, who is a chronically ill person, looked at me. 2:08:49 She goes, you know, you're swelling up because your face, you don't look right, your lips and everything. 2:08:52 And I said, 2:08:54 Well, you know, maybe I'm just putting weight on because we haven't been working. 2:08:58 And in hindsight, she saw it coming. 2:09:00 She said, you know, something's wrong with you. 2:09:02 You need to go get checked out. 2:09:02 You're going to be in big trouble. 2:09:04 And I dismissed it thinking that, you know, what does she know? 2:09:07 She's not a doctor, right? 2:09:10 Like the CBC said, you know, your crazy relative's not always right. 2:09:14 She was. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:09:17 There's a lot of that going around. 2:09:19 So December 27, 2021. 2:09:24 You get your booster. Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:09:25 All right. 2:09:27 I actually didn't remember this conversation up until a friend of mine reminded me about it. 2:09:32 He goes, do you remember you called me? 2:09:33 Because he had his booster about a week before. 2:09:36 And I said to him, I really don't feel well. 2:09:38 I'm going to go back to the hospital and get checked out. 2:09:42 And I thought maybe, you know, it says you have a reaction after the vaccine. 2:09:47 You might feel unwell for a short period of time. 2:09:49 So I'll just go home and see how it plays out. 2:09:52 And that's what I did. 2:09:53 And then all hell broke loose on December 31st. 2:09:59 So that's when I went back into the hospital. 2:10:02 And I was actually rushed to the hospital because I thought I was having a heart attack. 2:10:06 And what I didn't know was the cyst had started to erupt and explode. 2:10:10 And I was having an acute necrotizing pancreatitis attack. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:10:15 Now, at that time, you're throwing up. 2:10:18 What are you throwing up? Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:10:20 I'm throwing up, well, first you empty out your stomach, and then I was drinking a lot of fluids to try and replace the stuff that had come out, and then I started throwing up this black stuff and stomach bile. 2:10:32 It looks like something straight out of a movie. 2:10:34 I have a picture of the nurse holding it up somewhere. 2:10:36 It looks like a black pitcher full of nasty bile, or I don't know what to describe it as, but it doesn't look right. 2:10:43 It looks like you're in a horror movie. 2:10:45 And... 2:10:48 you know, I just kept coming out and coming out. 2:10:49 And I guess it was leaking through my cyst or I'm not sure how it actually happened, but it was extremely, it freaked me out. 2:10:58 So I was in the hospital saying, hey, look, you know, I go to the bathroom and nothing but blood would come out. 2:11:03 And they were just, okay, we'll have to give you an MRI and do your blood work and go wait in the hall. 2:11:08 We'll let you know how it goes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:11:10 Right. 2:11:11 My understanding also is this, you're having really extreme pains. 2:11:15 Yes. 2:11:15 And you described it to me as like, 2:11:18 As if you're shot with a shotgun. Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:11:20 Yes, big shotgun. 2:11:23 And right here where my pancreas was, and I remember on the way to the hospital, I was, my friend drove me and he stopped at a red light. 2:11:31 And I just looked at him and started trying to push his leg to go on the gas. 2:11:33 And we got to go, like, I'm not going to make it if you don't hurry. 2:11:36 And, you know, when we got there, they were good enough to rush me right in and hook me up to an AKG because I thought it was my heart. 2:11:43 But it turns out your pancreas is over in this neighbourhood too. 2:11:45 So, you know, as soon as they thought, 2:11:49 I wasn't having a heart attack. 2:11:50 Then they kind of put me on the back burner and gave me a scan thinking maybe, you know, being New Year's Eve, I was there for another reason that was left on us. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:11:58 Well, let's, no, let's, let's go there. 2:12:00 You, you were actually, it was made clear to you that they have no interest in treating you because they think you're their drug seeking. Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:12:07 Correct. Speaker 6 — Shawn Buckley
2:12:07 And because I operated heavy trucks and machinery, I would always have blood tests done. Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:12:14 And, um, 2:12:14 And I'm always on top of my health. 2:12:16 I go for yearly these wide-spectrum blood tests. 2:12:19 And I said to them, I said, if you'd like, check my file. 2:12:22 I don't use drugs. 2:12:23 I've never used drugs. 2:12:24 And you'll be able to see that in my medical records. 2:12:27 But being New Year's Eve, I guess there's a few people who thought it would be, you know, I was there to extend the party of some kind, right? Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:12:34 Right. 2:12:34 Now, okay, so they basically dismiss you on New Year's Eve, but you end up right back there. Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:12:39 Right. 2:12:40 So I ended up going home and... 2:12:42 And I ended up getting a phone call from the doctor at the hospital, and he asked where I was. 2:12:47 And I was back home in bed because, you know, being in the hallway of a hospital is very uncomfortable. 2:12:52 So I went back home again, and the doctor called and told me I was extremely sick, and they were going to send an ambulance for me and come pick me back up because I needed to get to the hospital because I wouldn't be alive if I didn't get there fast. 2:13:02 And that's because they'd done a CT scan and finally looked at it. 2:13:06 And saw what was going on. 2:13:08 So I went back into the hospital, and I'm not sure where they put me, but I think I went straight into the ICU. 2:13:15 I can't really remember, but I just remember more and more doctors coming in and having more and more tubes, and then they hit you right away with heavy-duty drugs, and everything starts becoming kind of blurry and blended together. 2:13:30 Right. 2:13:30 It was communicated that you weren't likely to survive, though, right? 2:13:33 Right. 2:13:34 Before they put me into the coma, one of the nurses came over and kind of held my hand and she said, you know, you're going to have to fight like hell and you might not make it through this or something to that effect. 2:13:44 And I just looked at her and I said, OK. And I remember one of the nurses was sitting there and I mistook her for another person I knew. 2:13:52 I thought it was a friend in the room. 2:13:53 So I thought very carefully about it. 2:13:54 One of my last words to be. 2:13:56 So I looked at her and I smiled. 2:13:58 All right, let's rock and roll. 2:13:59 And that was it. 2:14:00 And then. 2:14:01 I remember waking up after the coma and my nurse was standing there going, welcome back. 2:14:06 And that was about three weeks later. Speaker 6 — Shawn Buckley
2:14:10 And you were in the hospital for roughly five months. Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:14:13 Almost six, almost six months. 2:14:16 And I think they would have kept me there longer, but I'm a bit of a fussy patient. 2:14:20 And I told them as soon as my legs work well enough to get out of here, I'm going home because, you know, I felt I was in almost like a prison, you know. 2:14:29 And it's not a very nice place to be living, especially during the pandemic. 2:14:32 I mean, the worst thing was you'd see doves on the door. 2:14:37 And that meant the person had passed away and they're supposed to give them space to agree with their loved one. 2:14:42 And mostly like, especially in the ICU, there was just body bags going by constantly. 2:14:47 And, you know, you're sitting there intubated, looking at everything. 2:14:50 And it's quite scary because you're, you know, you realize that you could be in the next one leaving that hospital, right? 2:14:57 And, you know, there's no coming back from this. 2:14:59 This is it. 2:15:00 You're right there on death's door. 2:15:02 And I just used that to fight harder to get back here today. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:15:08 Right. 2:15:08 So you ended up, you spoke about this cyst, and it was a problem. 2:15:13 It kept growing. 2:15:14 It's the size of a football. 2:15:18 Now, it was started by a blood clot, right? Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:15:20 It was. 2:15:21 And I should also point out, I've heard a few people mention it. 2:15:23 I also had a deep vein thrombosis, I believe it's called. 2:15:27 I sent you a picture in my right leg. 2:15:30 So my right leg's currently at 35% circulation. 2:15:33 And I'm guessing we'll be amputated one day in the not too distant future. 2:15:37 They haven't said it, but, you know, I'm fully diabetic now. 2:15:40 That cyst took out my pancreas. 2:15:42 So you have a tail on your pancreas. 2:15:44 And apparently mine's missing or disfigured so badly that at my last urologist appointment, he was looking at it and he told me he's never seen a living person with a pancreas like mine. 2:15:54 And I just told him, I go, you know, if you look at my medical file, you realize that I'm kind of like the Harry Potter of the place, right? 2:16:00 I've, you know, I kind of beat it and I feel very lucky. 2:16:05 With the deep vein thrombosis, I had to have three separate surgeries to get it corrected. 2:16:10 So I guess it was a very bad one. 2:16:12 Two at one hospital, and then halfway through, they paused and threw me in a real ambulance and took me up to another hospital where they managed to tackle it. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:16:22 So it was a... 2:16:23 Right. 2:16:23 And that affects the way you walk today because you've only got 35% circulation in that leg. 2:16:30 So can you tell us about your walkings? Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:16:33 You know, you have to work at it every day. 2:16:35 I don't just walk. 2:16:36 I look at where I'm going. 2:16:37 I have to be very careful. 2:16:39 Like some of the other people said, when you go to the mall, I almost have to go like this when I'm walking because if somebody steps on my foot and causes an injury, I'll lose it. 2:16:46 So I'm very careful, especially when you go get groceries or you go to a crowded place. 2:16:50 I just don't go. 2:16:50 I'll just wait in the car and send in, you know, either the person I live with or I'll ask a friend to go in because, you know, somebody steps on your foot, you might not ever have it again. 2:17:01 Right. Speaker 3 — Joseph Pritchard
2:17:01 And you're limited to how far you can go also. Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:17:03 Right. 2:17:04 I mean, I, some days you, I don't, I don't leave my, my, my apartment. 2:17:07 Some days I try and walk around the block. 2:17:10 If I have a good day, I'll keep going until it starts hurting. 2:17:14 You know, it's a, it's a daily fight. 2:17:18 And you have to keep your leg elevated for a long time. 2:17:21 So at home, currently I'm still waiting for the vaccine injury program or whatever it's called these days to acknowledge me. 2:17:29 But yeah, 2:17:30 I've had a makeshift leg elevation thing. 2:17:33 I think I sent you a picture of it. 2:17:34 And basically it was a laundry basket with pillow shoved in it. 2:17:36 And I sleep with my feet like this. 2:17:38 Now it doesn't work that well because as soon as you fall asleep, usually the whole contraption falls over, but you know, it's a, it's working, you know, the majority of the day I'll sit there like that. 2:17:47 And I watch a lot of TV and between, you know, I'll get up and walk for 20 minutes around the apartment or I'll go walk around the building, then come back in and put my legs back up again to make sure that the 2:17:58 The feet are above the heart, which is what they tell you to do to induce circulation. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:18:02 Right. 2:18:02 And you've had kidney damage because of this. 2:18:08 You've had liver damage because of this. 2:18:11 For a period of time, you had to wear diapers. Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:18:13 Yes. 2:18:14 There was no control over my body. 2:18:16 I know I look fairly well these days. 2:18:19 And your wife even pointed out I look like security. 2:18:23 And, you know, it made me feel pretty good because I don't look like that anymore. 2:18:26 But, yeah, I mean, you wouldn't go anywhere. 2:18:28 Like, even to this day, I have to have a bathroom within, you know, a short walking distance from my room because in the middle of the night you'll just wake up, and if you don't get there in time, you're doing laundry, you know? 2:18:41 And it's embarrassing to be doing that in your 40s. 2:18:43 That's something you should be doing in your infant age and maybe in the end, you know, when you're on your way to heaven. 2:18:48 But, you know, at 40, 41, 42, 43, you shouldn't be doing this. 2:18:52 It's not normal. 2:18:55 Yeah. 2:18:55 You also feel sick all of the time. 2:18:58 Yes. 2:19:00 I've got borderline chronic pancreatitis now. 2:19:03 I'm off dialysis finally before I left the hospital. 2:19:06 They finished that off my kidneys and my liver came back. 2:19:10 I can't go anywhere near alcohol. 2:19:12 Not that I ever did. 2:19:13 But, you know, if somebody is having a toast, I'm doing it with water. 2:19:17 I drink mostly water and the odd time I'll have like a little soda, you know, zero sugar thing. 2:19:23 But 2:19:24 you have to be very careful what you put in. 2:19:25 Like if I decide to go over and have a steak, I'm paying for it. 2:19:29 And even if I take my little pills I have to eat every time called Creon for my pancreas, you're still sick afterwards. 2:19:36 If I eat anything high fat, I'm instantly sick. 2:19:40 And you're also in pain. 2:19:42 Yes, throughout my whole body. 2:19:44 My throat went 80% necrotic. 2:19:48 My thoracic surgeon was very concerned apparently when I was in the hospital that I'd have to have my throat rebuilt and 2:19:53 I might just have to have a hole put in because this was all damaged and wouldn't come back. 2:19:58 And the last time I saw her, she did the camera down my throat inspection. 2:20:02 She said that it actually became grossly normal, whatever that means. 2:20:06 So, you know, like certain foods you can't eat, they'll stick in there. 2:20:10 Sometimes if I take pills and I don't water them down, I can cough them back up when I'm out walking, which is kind of odd. 2:20:15 I'm guessing they get stuck in the ridges in there. 2:20:17 So the reason why I'm not wearing a tie today is for that reason is this is very sensitive and hurts. 2:20:21 So if I give this a good grab, I mean, it feels like, you know, like the Terminator grabbed me by my neck and it's extremely painful. 2:20:31 The pancreatitis is painful. 2:20:33 My leg is painful. 2:20:34 And then much like Shannon described, I have that electric, I call them electric seizures. 2:20:40 I don't know what the right term for them is, but you're basically, your nerves all start firing and you start doing the jiggle. 2:20:47 And it's happening less and less as time goes on, which I'm thankful for. 2:20:50 But for the first year, I'd just be walking, I'd fall on the ground and start, sorry, I'd be hanging onto the wall and walking, and then I'd fall over and start doing the shakes. 2:21:00 And people think you're having a seizure, and I'd just leave me alone for half an hour, I'll be fine, you know? Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:21:05 Like half an hour. 2:21:07 So what's been the most difficult part about this? Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:21:11 Trying to get help. 2:21:13 You know, I've been diagnosed with major PTSD and all kinds of different variations of it. 2:21:18 And I just kind of smile because there's been no help. 2:21:22 And, you know, you go to the doctors and try and find a specialist, which a lot of my specialists have left. 2:21:26 And then my doctor, my current GP, has been fighting tooth and nail to get me to new doctors. 2:21:32 You know, he just said there's not the help out there that you think there is. 2:21:35 I've had no offer for help for the PTSD other than some stuff that the hospital recommended that would be paid for by BISP or VAP or whatever it's called these days. 2:21:44 And, you know, it's very expensive. 2:21:46 It was like $50,000 or $60,000. 2:21:48 And, you know, I've been fighting with them. 2:21:51 I applied right away. 2:21:53 Like many of the other people here, I had a hard time to get my doctor to sign it. 2:21:57 And it took him a while to read through everything. 2:22:00 And he signed it. 2:22:00 And I joined the program. 2:22:02 And, you know, I kind of made a little list of all the things that I'm going to need. 2:22:06 And there's been radio silence. 2:22:10 told me that they got my records and then they had to take my name off them because I might find it. 2:22:14 My privacy was violated. 2:22:15 And then they told me, sir, you're going to be up in three, four months for your review. 2:22:19 And I got really excited that help was on the way. 2:22:22 And after the couple of months I called in and, or I emailed them and they said, sorry, sir, we've had some issues. 2:22:26 It'll be another couple of months. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
2:22:27 So, okay. Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:22:28 Wait another couple of months. 2:22:29 And then after a while, they just told me, sorry, we've lost, you know, we're handing it over to health Canada and good luck to you, sir. 2:22:36 You can, you can deal with them. 2:22:39 So, 2:22:40 Like everybody else in this room, I'm sure I'm waiting as well to even hear when my appointment's going to be to get my review done. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
2:22:48 Thank you, Mr. Pritchard. 2:22:49 I've got some questions for Mr. Ruff. Speaker 18 — MP Alex Ruff
2:22:54 Thank you. 2:22:55 You started answering my question, or I was going to go with this, because you said you've applied through the Vaccine Injury Support Program, now the Vaccine Impact Assistance Program, and you're now sort of in limbo. 2:23:06 Right. 2:23:07 So can you just elaborate a bit more on the timelines that you're talking about here, the last time you had sort of feedback from the program? Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:23:16 I did all the participating on the line. 2:23:18 They had those little video sessions. 2:23:20 And I talked to this person a while ago, and they said, we saw your emails. 2:23:26 I included the emails from the last program where they're giving the runaround. 2:23:30 And they said, well, unfortunately, you know, we're just getting going. 2:23:33 But they said, we have to put you back to, like, you're not at the medical stage. 2:23:37 You have to go back a step. 2:23:40 And I was like, okay, well, like, you know, can't you just put me where I was before? 2:23:44 And they said, well, we're going to try and get you through the program by the end of the year, try and get you in front of the medical board. 2:23:49 But... 2:23:50 this was in May. 2:23:51 And then the last time I talked to them, they just said, you know, I was in queue that they didn't, the lady did mention that I had a ton of, she goes, you have a really huge file. 2:23:59 And I said, Oh, I know. 2:24:02 You know, I know it's a lot to go through, but I mean, it's pretty obvious that, you know, you don't have four or five major things go wrong all within, you know, a short period of time like that. 2:24:12 And they just said, we'll get back to you. 2:24:13 So, I mean, 2:24:14 You know, people have your life in their hands. 2:24:16 You're not going to call them up every five minutes and be a pest, right? 2:24:18 I hang up on people like that, so I'm trying not to do that, right? 2:24:22 And, you know, I need the help. 2:24:24 Like, I need, you know, I can't work anymore. 2:24:26 Even coming here, I didn't want to come. 2:24:28 I thought a couple times about pulling out because this is a lot. 2:24:31 Like, I like to be at home. 2:24:32 I have a shelf full of medication. 2:24:35 I have to take five, six needles a day to be here as an inconvenience and to my, to taking care of myself. 2:24:43 But I thought it was necessary to come. 2:24:45 I do hope that they will get back to me. 2:24:46 I mean, you always remain positive. 2:24:50 That helps on the way. 2:24:51 You know, it's like you don't want to be negative and think that they're not. 2:24:54 But, you know, at some point, you know, I don't know if it's OK to say this or not, but the government said, if you take this and something happens, we'll take care of you. 2:25:04 And you're all scrutinized and going through this program. 2:25:07 And it's making me upset. 2:25:08 I see President Zelenskyy. 2:25:11 He shows up in Canada and he doesn't have to submit doctor's notes and do all this stuff or even have his financials looked at to see what he has. 2:25:18 And he gets billions of dollars. 2:25:20 And then I see that they're giving millions of dollars away to other countries where they've got motorcycles. 2:25:25 You know, I used to ride motorcycles. 2:25:26 I'd like one, right? 2:25:28 I could ride it to my appointments. 2:25:29 And then here I am that took their shot on their advice because they said I had to if I wanted to go to a restaurant or if I wanted to travel or do any of these things. 2:25:37 And I got sick and it 2:25:39 It is a phone call saying we're going to think about it. 2:25:41 It's like teasing somebody hungry with a nice juicy steak or a nice juicy meal. 2:25:48 It's cruel what you're doing. 2:25:50 I mean, all these people, we don't have a time machine. 2:25:52 We can't go back and stop ourselves, which I wish I could, and say, no, no, no, this is not what you think it is. 2:25:59 We just want help so we can spend the remainder of our days and have some kind of help and comfort and not worry about homeless. 2:26:06 I'm sure everybody saw the homeless people on the benches around here. 2:26:10 You know, and I'm worried I'm going to end up like that. 2:26:12 And I probably would have ended up like that if it wasn't for friends and family who have given me a place to stay or some money or, you know, even I don't know when it's time to take my medications. 2:26:22 One of my friends gave me a smartwatch. 2:26:24 So it beeps at me when it's time to take one of my 15 or 20 medications. 2:26:28 which has been very helpful. 2:26:30 But that was this program's job to do. 2:26:33 And they haven't done it yet. 2:26:34 All they've done is made me very angry. 2:26:36 And, you know, I have to sit here and bite my tongue because I have some words I like to use, but I promised Sean I wouldn't. 2:26:41 Where's home? 2:26:43 I live in York Region. 2:26:45 Thank you. 2:26:46 Toronto. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
2:26:48 Thank you very much for coming in and sharing that. Speaker 6 — Joseph Pritchard
2:26:49 And thank you, Mr. Allison, because, you know, everybody here is, you know, it's a big parliament building. 2:26:56 and there's a lot of MPs and we only have three here. 2:26:58 I think it's three, right? 2:27:00 So I appreciate the work you guys are doing because this needs to be heard. 2:27:04 And I know Canada takes care of everybody else, but me and everybody else who's come here, we do need help. Speaker 2 — Joseph Pritchard
2:27:10 So thank you very much. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
2:27:18 Thank you for following my recommendations. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:27:24 So our next witness is Jamie Daniel. 2:27:28 Jamie, will you please take the Bible in your right hand? 2:27:33 Jamie Daniel, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:27:43 I do. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:27:45 I'd like to introduce you to the inquiry that want to get out up front that your neurologist 2:27:52 tells you quite clearly that this is a vaccine injury that you're going to be sharing with us. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:27:56 Undoubtedly. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:27:58 You are currently 36, which means you were 31 at the time of these events. 2:28:04 You've got two children and your husband, Jeremy, who is the fellow with you. 2:28:11 You were an advanced care paramedic and practical nurse. 2:28:16 You've been in that role since you were 18. 2:28:20 you were paramedic first, like this is your passion, was to be a first responder. 2:28:26 And there are different levels of paramedic. 2:28:29 But an advanced care paramedic, like that's the full scale. 2:28:33 That's like four years of training to get to that level. 2:28:36 So I just want people to understand that we have a first responder. 2:28:40 And thank you for your service. 2:28:45 And as far as health went, prior to what you're going to describe for us, 2:28:50 Um, you had rheumatoid arthritis, but that was being managed. 2:28:54 I mean, we're going to get into, I mean, you were working full time, 12 hour shifts, moving people and doing all the ambulance things. 2:29:00 You were a hundred percent functional. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:29:02 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:29:03 So, um, there were no restrictions on your lifestyle. 2:29:06 You're managing home, your family, your daughters. 2:29:08 You're going to the gym two or three times a week. 2:29:11 You would swim, rock climb, camp, outdoor stuff. 2:29:15 And, uh, basically you didn't, no health concerns. 2:29:19 prior to these vaccines. 2:29:21 Can you tell us about your journey with these vaccines? Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:29:26 So at the time of the vaccines, as you said, I did have some stable health things, but they were all well managed and I was not disabled. 2:29:33 I was fully functioning. 2:29:35 I was working 12-hour shifts as a paramedic. 2:29:37 I held a 0.5 line, which is part-time, but I quite often picked up to full-time hours. 2:29:42 I just liked the flexibility of picking when I could work. 2:29:46 We were managing our home together, about 50-50 responsibilities. 2:29:51 At the time, our daughter was 18 months old, our first daughter. 2:29:55 Parenting, looking after her, doing extremely well. 2:30:01 Being a first responder was 2:30:02 I was one of the first waves of people chosen to go get the vaccine. 2:30:07 And I was excited. 2:30:08 I was over the moon excited that I could go and do this service for my country, get the vaccine that we'd been told had been very similar. 2:30:17 It's been studied. 2:30:18 It's safe. 2:30:18 It's effective. 2:30:19 And as a healthcare practitioner, I worked with people who are high risk. 2:30:22 We have high risk members of our family, and this is something I could do to help. 2:30:27 And I was so excited to go get that vaccine. 2:30:29 And I went, um, 2:30:32 I have a picture of me smiling at the vaccine clinic being like, yes, everybody go get your vaccine. 2:30:36 Vaccines save lives because they do. 2:30:38 But this is not a vaccine. 2:30:40 This is something completely different. 2:30:42 Within hours, I had flu-like symptoms. 2:30:46 I was in bed. 2:30:48 I remember clearly with a bucket because I was nauseous. 2:30:50 I was throwing up. 2:30:51 I had fevers and chills. 2:30:53 I just felt generally unwell. 2:30:55 Flu-like symptoms, normal vaccine. 2:30:59 I chose not to take any Advil or Tylenol at that time because my knowledge knew is that's the immune response. 2:31:04 This is what's supposed to be happening. 2:31:06 Went to bed that night, very uncomfortable. 2:31:08 Woke up the next morning in excruciating pain, severe pain to my back, down to my legs, some weakness. 2:31:18 It felt like I had previously herniated my back years ago that had been fully rehabbed. 2:31:22 And it felt like I was herniating my back over and over and over and over again. 2:31:26 And I knew something was wrong. 2:31:28 I did everything I could think of at home to manage it. 2:31:32 Advil, Tylenol, heat, ice, compression, doing some Z-line, like you name it. 2:31:39 I did everything I could because I was not going to go to the hospital for this because I don't go to the hospital for things. 2:31:45 I take people to the hospital. 2:31:48 Within about 24 to 48 hours, it became very clear that I needed to go do a merge. 2:31:53 I started presenting with something called saddle paresthesia. 2:31:56 So if you think of when you're sitting on a horse, anything that would touch the saddle of the horse went completely numb. 2:32:02 And it felt like I had an ice pick going into my spinal cord over and over again. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:32:06 Jamie, can I just slow you down? 2:32:08 And the reason is, is we have some very nice people in the translation booth that are trying to translate in real time. Speaker 19 — Jamie Daniel
2:32:16 Okay. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:32:16 what you're saying in English into French. 2:32:19 And they've been very nice to us. 2:32:21 So I'm asking you to be nice to them. 2:32:23 So if you can try, I know it's stressful to be here and speak to people. 2:32:29 And we're so grateful that you're here. 2:32:31 But if you can just try and slow it down a little bit. 2:32:34 Thank you. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:32:36 So I knew something was wrong. 2:32:37 I had medical knowledge. 2:32:39 I could tell this was presenting like a severe spinal cord injury. 2:32:43 I went to the hospital. 2:32:45 My husband had wanted to call an ambulance, but I would not let him because it would have been one of my co-workers that would have picked me up. 2:32:52 So we went to the hospital and I remember being taken back to a room right away. Speaker 14 — Shawn Buckley
2:32:55 Can I just slow you down? Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:32:59 Because I want people to really understand what's going on. 2:33:03 My understanding is you're experiencing extreme weakness to the point that you're having trouble walking. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:33:10 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:33:11 So can you explain that for us? Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:33:14 It was so severe that my husband, like I said, wanted to call an ambulance and I refused. 2:33:18 So I was so weak and in so much pain, I was literally crawling across the floor to get out of the house. 2:33:27 I needed a wheelchair once we got to the emergency department and they took me straight back to a room because it did present like a severe spinal cord injury. 2:33:36 I was having overflow urinary incontinence. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:33:39 Urinary, that's what I was going, you were losing sensation. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:33:42 I lost all sensation into my groin, my inner thighs, still with the extreme pain, and I started having overflow urinary incontinence. 2:33:50 I could not feel when I needed to void, so I did not void, so then it would overflow. 2:33:56 And they took imaging at the hospital, but determined that it was most likely surgical, something called cauda equine. 2:34:03 So they transferred me to a different hospital via ambulance, my worst nightmare, to a different hospital so I can meet with the spinal surgery team. 2:34:13 Once I got there, they finally had my imaging results and I met with the spinal surgeon and he said that there is nothing obvious on my MRI. 2:34:23 that it was probably just a bad day. 2:34:29 Not quite sure how that works. 2:34:30 They ended up releasing me from that hospital. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:34:32 So I just need to stop you here. 2:34:35 So you're, what, 31? 2:34:39 You're in excruciating pain. 2:34:42 You're so weak. 2:34:44 There's times you cannot walk. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:34:47 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:34:48 You've lost some sensation in your groin and really bladder control because you don't know. 2:34:54 You didn't talk about, but your bowels have stopped working also. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:34:58 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:34:58 So for most of us listening to this, we would be thinking that you are in an absolute medical crisis. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:35:06 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:35:07 And yet you are sent home. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:35:11 They made me walk out of the emergency department, and I clearly remember collapsing on the floor. 2:35:17 And the emergency didn't do anything about it, but security eventually brought me a wheelchair to wheel me to the front door for my husband to pick me up. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:35:24 Okay, we need to unpack this. 2:35:26 So the emergency people are telling you you have to leave, and they're expecting you to walk. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:35:32 Because my imaging was normal. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:35:34 Right, so they're totally ignoring what you're telling them. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:35:38 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:35:39 And so you try to walk, but you can't walk. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:35:41 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:35:42 So you fall to the floor. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:35:45 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:35:45 So you are now on the hospital floor. 2:35:50 Am I right? 2:35:51 And there's nurses around. Speaker 10 — Jamie Daniel
2:35:53 Yep. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:35:54 And they just leave you on the hospital floor. Speaker 17 — Jamie Daniel
2:35:57 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:35:58 But eventually security feels sorry for this woman laying on the floor. Speaker 7 — Jamie Daniel
2:36:05 Yes. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
2:36:06 So they bring a wheelchair. Speaker 13 — Jamie Daniel
2:36:10 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:36:13 I think everyone participating in this is feeling some collective guilt over how you were treated. 2:36:20 Can you carry on and let us know, you eventually figured out what was wrong. 2:36:27 They eventually gave you a diagnosis, not that day. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:36:31 So I went home and I ended up presenting, I can't remember if it was two or three more times to the emergency department. 2:36:38 I was called a drug seeker. 2:36:40 I was told I was having anxiety. 2:36:44 I was told it was my rheumatoid arthritis, but none of these symptoms were any of those things. 2:36:49 Eventually I got admitted, not due to the severe pain, but because I was peeing myself. 2:36:55 And I got belittled in the emergency department by several healthcare members being like, why did you just pee the bed? 2:37:04 What do you mean? 2:37:06 Why did I pee the vet? 2:37:07 I have no sensation. 2:37:08 I have no control. 2:37:10 I ended up being admitted for a week. 2:37:11 I needed in and out catheterization. 2:37:13 I needed extensive bowel management to be able to get my bowels to work again. 2:37:19 They did eventually treat my pain. 2:37:23 There was a hush about maybe it's transverse myelitis, but nobody would ever come out and actually say that while I was admitted. 2:37:32 They released me. 2:37:33 I went back and looked after a conversation of back pain and urinary incontinence, not yet diagnosed. 2:37:40 That was my discharge papers. 2:37:43 Luckily or unlikely, I had previously had migraines, had been discharged from neurology entirely because my migraines were managed. 2:37:51 But my neurologist had said, if anything ever comes up, call me. 2:37:54 And I knew that this was neurological. 2:37:56 So I called his office and he got me in as soon as he could. 2:37:59 It was 2:38:00 A month or so. 2:38:01 It was a while anyways. 2:38:04 But eventually I remained off work. 2:38:07 I had severe pain, fatigue, overflow incontinence. 2:38:12 I still had no sensation to my bladder, but I could manage it with three hour time going to the washroom. 2:38:18 Um, I could barely walk a lot of days. 2:38:20 I was so fatigued. 2:38:21 I could barely get out of bed, but eventually I saw my neurologist and bless this man. 2:38:26 As soon as he assessed me, as soon as he went over my history, it's like, but this is transverse myelitis. 2:38:31 I was like, I know that. 2:38:33 It's like, but why didn't they know that at the hospital? 2:38:35 There's other treatments we could have given you in the hospital for TM because nobody wanted to associate it with my vaccine. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:38:44 Which would be the explanation for it in the first place. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:38:48 Yes. 2:38:48 And so he it was I can't remember how long until I had seen him. 2:38:53 But he was the first one who actually came out and said, like, for sure, 100 percent, you have MRI negative transverse myelitis from the COVID vaccine. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:39:02 Right. 2:39:02 And he had no trouble reaching that conclusion. 2:39:05 You had heard whispers of that when you were being what I would describe as mistreated. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:39:10 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:39:12 In emergencies. 2:39:13 So. 2:39:14 Do you think this is a case where basically you were left to suffer and not being treated properly because nobody could admit that this was vaccine injury? Speaker 7 — Jamie Daniel
2:39:24 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:39:28 So recently you went to emergency in July. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:39:33 Yes. 2:39:33 I have approximately yearly relapses of my transverse myelitis, although my symptoms have never fully gone away. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:39:40 Right. 2:39:40 So you're in back pain every day. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:39:44 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:39:44 You're in pain now. 2:39:46 Yes. 2:39:50 On a scale of 1 to 10, where are you now? Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:39:52 Today, my pain's about a 5. 2:39:55 I take multiple medications to manage that. 2:39:58 Most of my time is spent managing my medical conditions. 2:40:03 It has evolved into multiple medical conditions outside of the transverse myelitis. 2:40:10 Most people refer to it as a neuroimmune problem. 2:40:13 So one thing has cascaded into another, into another, into another. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:40:16 Right. 2:40:18 And you also have what's called post-exertion malaise. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:40:22 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:40:24 And basically that if you exert yourself in any way, 2:40:28 Basically, you get fatigue that's completely out of proportion to your exertion. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:40:34 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:40:35 What are going to be the consequences to you physically for coming here to testify at the Ellison Aquarium? Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:40:43 Well, to start, before I even came here, I had to start prepping. 2:40:46 I removed anything from my schedule for several days so that I could rest. 2:40:50 I arranged child care for my children to make sure that somebody was available to drive them back and forth to school. 2:40:59 Next week when I go home, I've also arranged childcare every single day for my children because I will probably be too exhausted to get out of bed to care for them. 2:41:11 We'll have grandparents drive them to and from school. 2:41:14 My husband almost exclusively does all of our cooking now. 2:41:18 We have a housekeeper once a month because I can't maintain heavy housekeeping. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:41:22 I just want to slow you down. 2:41:24 So just to be able to come here today, 2:41:27 you had to basically clear responsibilities, including childcare from your schedules. 2:41:31 Your kids cannot interrupt you and you've been resting for days. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:41:36 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:41:36 So that you could kind of put some energy in the bank to be able to come here. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:41:41 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:41:42 And you've already cleared your schedule for a week. 2:41:46 So that, because you expect basically being in bed for a week, including heightened pain, flare up, um, 2:41:54 You basically anticipate suffering. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:41:56 Yes. 2:41:58 And I also anticipate a worsening of my complex post-traumatic stress disorder as well from this experience. 2:42:05 Even though I feel like it's very important for me to be here and the stories are very powerful, I know it will affect me psychologically as well. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:42:12 Okay. 2:42:12 Do you want to tell us about your PTSD experience? Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:42:16 So I was a first responder and even before the COVID vaccine, I still had a diagnosis of PTSD, but I was just seeing a therapist and working. 2:42:24 I was functional. 2:42:25 They had no concerns about me continuing to serve as an ACP. 2:42:32 The medical gaslighting and destruction that I went through with our healthcare system was horrific. 2:42:40 It was nothing I could have ever anticipated. 2:42:43 I proudly served our medical system 2:42:46 And it abandoned me. 2:42:49 And there was exactly one moment that every ounce of faith I had in the system was destroyed. 2:42:55 And it's also the moment that my severe PTSD became such a significant problem that I was partnered with Kevin. 2:43:02 I was admitted to the hospital again. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:43:05 And I'm just going to stop because the camera doesn't show this. 2:43:07 Oh. 2:43:08 You basically have an emotional support dog named Kevin. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:43:11 He's actually a fully certified service animal. 2:43:13 So he is recognized by the Alberta government and placed with an organization for full service animal status to mitigate a disability. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:43:23 Right. 2:43:24 And in your case, it's PTSD. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:43:26 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:43:27 So it's Kevin being with you all the time. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:43:30 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:43:31 Helps you, you know, remain calmer. 2:43:34 Yes. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:43:35 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:43:36 less fearful and stressed. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:43:37 Yes, we've been partnered for a year now, and he's been wonderful. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:43:40 And we had to put Kevin on the list to get him built. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:43:43 Yes, he has his own ID. 2:43:45 He had to have his own tag to get in. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:43:48 Just because people watching don't know, this is a parliamentary building, and so you have to get through security and the metal detector and all of that fun stuff. 2:43:56 You have to be on the list. 2:43:57 So carry on carrying it, talking about 2:44:01 So mental trauma. 2:44:01 So you're describing starting to describe that for us. Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:44:05 So I remained off work and about a year and a bit after my initial injury in June 2022, my infant had been hospitalized. 2:44:15 She almost died. 2:44:16 She was in ICU. 2:44:18 When she got out of ICU, she had had a virus that also affects the immune system, which is a known trigger for relapses of transverse myelitis. 2:44:29 Between the virus, the stress, the physical task of being in ICU and in the hospital for a week, caring for her when I have complex pain, emotional issues, I myself ended up being readmitted to the hospital for a week with a complete relapse of my transverse myelitis. 2:44:45 My neurologist at the time was like, absolutely, it is. 2:44:49 a relapse of your transverse myelitis, you need to go get pain management and you need to go get steroids. 2:44:54 The first time I went to the hospital, they agreed. 2:44:57 But when they call and my husband had had to go out away for town, so he was trying to arrange a flight to come home to care for our children. 2:45:06 The first time I went to the emergency department, the emergency physician agreed. 2:45:10 Yeah, this sounds like TM. 2:45:12 We'll get everything sorted. 2:45:14 They sent a neurologist to consult on me. 2:45:17 He was like, no, absolutely not. 2:45:18 She's a drug seeker. 2:45:20 She's just here for pain management. 2:45:22 Yes, I'm here for pain management because my neurologist told me to come to the hospital for pain management and steroids. 2:45:30 And then at that point he said, and it's, you know, she's a drug seeker. 2:45:34 It's probably not even her TM. 2:45:37 It's obviously her rheumatoid arthritis. 2:45:40 which is why I'm peeing myself, which is why I have no sensation, which is why I feel like there's an ice pick stuck in my spine. 2:45:47 So I got sent home. 2:45:48 Luckily, I had had an appointment with my rheumatologist that week. 2:45:53 And my husband basically, again, had to carry me into that appointment. 2:45:57 And she looked at me and she was horrified. 2:46:00 She had never seen me like this. 2:46:01 She had never seen me in such significant suffering that she called the hospital. 2:46:07 doctor to doctor immediately and was like, you will admit her, you will treat her for pain and you will get this figured out. 2:46:14 So we went back to the hospital and luckily I did get a bed. 2:46:17 I got treated, I got admitted. 2:46:20 They preferred a functional pain disorder 2:46:23 instead of the transverse myelitis, even though all of my other providers were like, this is TM. 2:46:29 And I remember breaking down, crying. 2:46:31 After all of this being happening, I was crying and bawling to my team saying, I can't live like this anymore. 2:46:37 I can't live like this. 2:46:40 I was not suicidal. 2:46:41 I was asking for help. 2:46:43 And at this moment, instead of helping me, they brought in a psychologist to talk to me about MAID, medical assistance in dying. 2:46:53 I was in my early 30s. 2:46:55 I had a baby at home that had just been in ICU. 2:46:58 I was barely out of the postpartum period. 2:47:00 My hormones hadn't settled. 2:47:02 I was admitted for pain crisis on heavy duty narcotics. 2:47:07 And I was asking for help. 2:47:08 And instead they offered to euthanize me. 2:47:20 three-year-olds old and three or four months old was my little one at the time. 2:47:24 And they were just, instead of treating my pain, instead of finding me help, they wanted to euthanize me. 2:47:36 That moment broke me. 2:47:39 It broke my husband. 2:47:41 It broke my family. 2:47:42 That was the moment that any faith in the medical system that I so proudly served for years 2:47:50 was gone. 2:47:54 And then it just continued because after that I still had severe pain, severe disability. 2:48:01 That was in summer 2022. 2:48:04 And then I held out hope that maybe the government, all my faith in the medical system was gone. 2:48:12 All of my faith in, you know, even my coworkers, the people who 2:48:17 our friend group, the people who are supposed to have me outside of my husband, our immediate family, and a handful of people, my faith in everything was gone, but I held out faith that the government, they're like, we got you. 2:48:29 If something goes wrong, we've got you. 2:48:32 And then in January of 2023, so six months after this event, of which I had walked with a cane for most of this time as well, um, Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
2:48:41 Jamie, can I interrupt you for a second? 2:48:43 Yeah. 2:48:44 We want to ask a couple of questions. 2:48:45 It may be related just because I've got a couple of the MPs that want to ask you some information, Mr. Motz. Speaker 2 — MP Glen Motz
2:48:54 Thank you for sharing your experience. Speaker 5 — MP Glen Motz
2:49:00 We have lost our way. 2:49:01 Yes. Speaker 2 — MP Glen Motz
2:49:04 And I'm sorry that you have had to go through what you've gone through. Speaker 1 — MP Glen Motz
2:49:11 It's important that voices like yours don't get lost. Speaker 5 — MP Glen Motz
2:49:16 And what would you like to see happen as a result of this inquiry? Speaker 14 — Jamie Daniel
2:49:21 Transparency. 2:49:24 We need to talk about what happened. 2:49:26 People need to have their stories heard. 2:49:28 And we need to have checks and balances in place to help people. 2:49:33 There was supposed to be the VISP, and that's about where I was about to go. 2:49:37 In January of 2023, they sent me a letter, didn't even have my name on it. 2:49:43 They said that my injury, even though my neurologist said it's transverse myelitis, yeah, there's a causation there. 2:49:49 We believe that, you know, it's transient related to your vaccine. 2:49:54 But we don't really see that it's transverse myelitis. 2:49:58 It's probably your rheumatoid arthritis. 2:50:00 And regardless, your injury is not severe or permanent. 2:50:04 Denied. 2:50:08 I appealed within 60 days, and that was in March 2023, and I still have no resolution. 2:50:18 So I've been off work since February 2021. 2:50:20 I was removed. 2:50:23 I had a long-term disability through my employer for two years, but then they found 2:50:28 that I could not return to being a paramedic. 2:50:30 I could maybe do a job, any employment, because I didn't have the healthcare backing from any professionals to be, my neurologist to be like, yeah, you have transverse myelitis. 2:50:40 And my family doctor was like, yeah, you have this, and you have this, and you have this, but there was nobody to cumulatively bring it together to be like, hey, everything put together means you can't work anymore. 2:50:48 So I went without income for two years until I was finally approved for CPP disability. 2:50:56 But to give you an idea of CPP disability, I make $1,600 a month. 2:51:00 My out-of-pocket just medicine costs are $500 a month. 2:51:04 That doesn't include physio. 2:51:06 That doesn't include any therapy. 2:51:08 That doesn't include anything else. 2:51:10 But when the government, basically, OXERO, the government was... 2:51:17 represented by Oxero, and they said, no, your injury is not severe. 2:51:22 It's not permanent. 2:51:23 It broke the last bit of faith that I had. 2:51:26 The government said, we've got you. 2:51:29 But nobody has us. 2:51:30 There's not one besides the people in this room. 2:51:35 There's no one here to support us, to help us get through this, to help us navigate. 2:51:41 I'm a well-educated, well-spoken person, and I still struggle to get help. 2:51:45 I still get called a drug seeker. 2:51:47 I still get called, oh, she's crazy. 2:51:50 Oh, she had pre-existing conditions before she got sick. 2:51:55 So that's obviously why she's sick. 2:51:56 It has nothing to do with the vaccine. 2:51:58 Even though I have black and white medical documents that state transverse myelitis from COVID vaccine. 2:52:05 So if I can't even get help, how does everybody else get help? 2:52:09 I have support. 2:52:10 I have a husband and family who have moved mountains. 2:52:13 We were able to remortgage our house so that we could survive, but there's so many people that don't have support. 2:52:20 What about them? Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
2:52:22 Jamie, thank you very much. 2:52:23 And once again, you know, I'm reminded of you as a first responder, we thank you for the work that you do and have done, you know, and having your own community, you know, give you a hard time or turn on you as well. 2:52:36 And that, that, 2:52:37 That's troubling, but at every level compounds that as well. 2:52:41 So thank you very much for coming and sharing your story. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
2:52:50 Our next witness is Nicole Sedore. 2:52:54 Nicole, will you take the Bible in your right hand? 2:53:02 Nicole Sedore, do you swear to tell the truth? Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:53:07 the whole truth and nothing but the truth. 2:53:10 So help me God. Speaker 3 — Nicole Sedore
2:53:12 Yes, I do. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:53:18 You're going to talk about some injuries and you did not have COVID when you were injured. Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
2:53:24 No, I did not. Speaker 19 — Shawn Buckley
2:53:24 Or before you were injured. Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
2:53:25 No, I did not. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:53:27 Now you're 50 now, so you would have been 45 on the events that we're talking about. 2:53:34 You are a single mom now, raising two kids. 2:53:39 the fathers of the two children have both passed. 2:53:43 And so, yeah, so they're not there to pick up any slack, which is when we'll describe in a minute is a concern. 2:53:54 Pre-vaccine, you were working at the Odyssey House, which is a woman's shelter for domestic violence. 2:53:59 You were working as a community support worker. 2:54:02 This was a full-time job. 2:54:04 Health-wise, 2:54:07 You were like an avid swimmer. 2:54:08 I didn't pick the photo, but you sent me a photo, which is really a trophy case of swimming trophies where you'd won swimming competitions. 2:54:18 You said I was with the master swimming club. 2:54:20 So you were an elite swimmer and you were still swimming and you were an avid runner. 2:54:27 You're no medications, no preexisting things. 2:54:30 So you're an extremely healthy young woman at the time of age 45. 2:54:36 And then on April 23rd, 2020, you took the Pfizer shot. 2:54:40 Actually, 21. 2:54:40 Sorry, we spoke earlier about that. 2:54:43 Can you share with me what had happened after that? Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
2:54:47 Yeah, so I'm just going to say my son's names because I want them on the record. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:54:53 Oh, please, yeah. Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
2:54:55 So my oldest boy at the time was 13, and he was also very ill at the time. 2:55:02 He had been left in the hospital with a ruptured appendix for almost three days. 2:55:06 And he almost died. 2:55:08 So he was very, very, very sick at the time. 2:55:11 My partner, who was deceased a year in two days, he was very sick. 2:55:16 And so I was working at the Odyssey House. 2:55:18 So I had two children, two people in my home that were immune compromised. 2:55:24 And then I had a little one, Lincoln Speed, which I want him on the record as well. 2:55:28 He was six at the time. 2:55:30 So the email started coming that I was going to lose my job if I did not take the vaccine. 2:55:36 I also had my son's doctors from the Stollery Hospital in Edmonton calling me and basically telling me if I did not vaccinate my son, he would die if he got COVID. 2:55:48 And I was made to feel like I was a horrible mother if I did not take this vaccine. 2:55:54 So and I needed my job. 2:55:56 I was the breadwinner. 2:55:57 And I was barely keeping a roof over our head. 2:56:00 And, you know, I've been working since I was 12. 2:56:02 I love working. 2:56:03 I love my job. 2:56:05 So within a couple of days after my first vaccine, my hand, this hand blew up. 2:56:10 It was about that large. 2:56:14 And not thinking anything of it because I'm working. 2:56:18 I got a busy life. 2:56:19 Went to the first doctor to talk about my fat hand. 2:56:23 That's kind of what I would joke about me and my fat hand. 2:56:26 And I went to. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:56:27 But let me slow you down. 2:56:28 It was three times the size of normal. Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
2:56:30 Oh, yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:56:31 Like, I mean, we're not talking minor swelling. 2:56:33 We're talking a significant amount of swelling and discomfort in that. Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
2:56:40 Yeah. 2:56:40 So I went to the clinic, showed him my hands. 2:56:45 And I'm not picking up that it's to do with anything. 2:56:49 He sent me for an ultrasound. 2:56:50 So they did an ultrasound all the way up here, but stopped right here. 2:56:55 got the call, didn't see anything, sent me on my way. 2:56:58 So I continued my life. 2:57:00 And the girls at work are like, man, you need to go get that checked out. 2:57:04 It doesn't look normal, of course. 2:57:08 And I went back to that clinic, saw another doctor, and this particular doctor gave me three pills of prednisone, said take this, see if that does anything, and took those, didn't do anything. 2:57:20 So then I went back a third time, 2:57:23 And this particular doctor told me to put, while I was sitting, to put my hand up over my head like this and do this. 2:57:31 That was his solution. 2:57:33 And that I could go get a compression thing for my hand. 2:57:37 So at this point, I'm wearing a compression sock on my hand. 2:57:42 So then finally, at the end of 2021, I went to my family doctor, who has been an absolute blessing, and showed him my fat hand. 2:57:52 And he's like, well, that doesn't look normal. 2:57:55 And I'm like, no, it doesn't. 2:57:57 So he sent me to an internal specialist. 2:58:00 So I went to my internal specialist, who has also been a blessing. 2:58:04 And he's looking at it. 2:58:06 He's like, he couldn't figure it out. 2:58:09 And he's like, maybe it's something with your neck. 2:58:11 I don't know. 2:58:12 I'm just going to do a scan of your upper extremities. 2:58:15 So I go for a scan of my upper extremities. 2:58:19 So at this time I go down to, at the end of 2021, I go down to BC for Christmas and I'm wearing a compression sock on my hand. 2:58:28 At this point, I come back to Grand Prairie and it's a January 30th of 2022. 2:58:36 And it's a Sunday afternoon and my phone's ringing and it's my family doctor and I'm at work and I answer the phone. 2:58:43 I'm like, you know, 2:58:45 And he goes, so I got the results of your scan, and we can see that you have a massive blood clot underneath your armpit. 2:58:54 So I had a blood clot that was forming underneath my armpit, which if they would have continued with that ultrasound, they would have seen that, but they didn't. 2:59:05 So I had a massive blood clot right here, and I'm kind of like, okay, what do we got to do? 2:59:10 I got a life to live. 2:59:11 And he's like, oh, that's not all. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:59:14 So I'm just going to stop here because your hands started swelling in April. 2:59:19 April. 2:59:19 So we're talking, you had a blood clot in your armpit for eight months that went undiagnosed. Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
2:59:25 Yes. 2:59:27 Eight months. 2:59:29 And then he continues to go, and that's not all. 2:59:32 You also have a brain aneurysm sitting in the back of my head. 2:59:38 This was on January 30th. 2:59:40 And I almost nearly fell over. 2:59:44 immediately thinking of my children. 2:59:47 Sorry. 2:59:49 So I'm like, am I going to die? Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
2:59:52 I just want to unpack this because if that aneurysm bursts, you die. Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
2:59:58 Yes, sir. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:00:00 And you do end up having brain surgery, but you still have the problem. Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
3:00:04 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:00:05 So can you describe that for us? Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
3:00:06 So he sent me back to my internal specialist who said, 3:00:11 has been very honest with me and who has signed my papers that he'd never met anybody like me before. 3:00:17 And I, I've never met anybody with a blood clot. 3:00:20 I've never known anybody with an aneurysm. 3:00:23 You hear about aneurysms after the fact, after somebody usually has passed away and he's like, you're going to need surgery. 3:00:30 So my aneurysm was 10 millimeters sitting in the back of my head, which I know now is, 3:00:38 From talking to my vascular neurosurgeon, he had never operated on an aneurysm so large and saw an aneurysm that hadn't ruptured. 3:00:45 So he sent me out. 3:00:47 He sent the referral out to a neurosurgeon. 3:00:49 That neurosurgeon sent it back because where it sits is so close to my nerve endings for my eyes, and he would refuse to touch it. 3:00:58 So it got re-sent out to a vascular neurosurgeon. 3:01:01 So immediately when I found out who that was going to be, I started calling. 3:01:05 I was emailing pictures of me and my boys. 3:01:08 to please see me because I didn't want to die. 3:01:13 So my first appointment with that vascular neurosurgeon was on April 1st of 2022, and he blew up my head on a screen. 3:01:25 I chose not to Google anything and not to do anything because I just wanted to get there and get the surgery. 3:01:33 So I went there April 1st of 2022, and he explained to me what he was going to do. 3:01:39 He was going to be putting coils in my head. 3:01:42 And so I drove out to Edmonton. 3:01:44 And every time I have to go to Edmonton, it's five hours. 3:01:47 Like I'm driving back and forth and back and forth and back and forth by myself. 3:01:51 And so on April 1st, he told me what he was going to do. 3:01:56 I was like, okay, when can this happen? 3:01:57 Drove home. 3:01:59 Also, on my way home, I got the first call about my oldest boy's dad had passed away in a car accident. 3:02:05 So I had to go home and tell my oldest son that his dad had passed away and turn around and go back to Edmonton. 3:02:10 And I got my first got my surgery on April 19th of 2022. 3:02:16 Put 13 coils in my head and a stent and basically him telling me that he's probably going to eventually need to put more coils in my head. 3:02:26 So I got that surgery, came home. 3:02:29 I was off work. 3:02:32 Then I went back to work, and I tried to go back to work after six months, and my mental health had become so terrible at this point. 3:02:42 I tried to go on a mental health leave from my work. 3:02:45 I was denied my benefits because I was not taking prescription medication. 3:02:50 I have it in the e-mail. 3:02:52 So I was denied my benefits. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:02:54 I just want to slow you down and stick with this brain. 3:02:57 Yeah. 3:02:58 Because they put coils on it to try and prevent it from growing and bursting. 3:03:03 But my understanding is it's continued to grow. Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
3:03:06 Yes. 3:03:07 So at this time, so we are four years. 3:03:11 So I can go, I suffer from pressure in my head. 3:03:16 I've got the deep vein thrombosis, which I've heard multiple times here. 3:03:20 I suffer from pressure in my head, especially in the winter. 3:03:24 migraines, headaches. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:03:25 But I just want to stick with this aneurysm for a sec. 3:03:28 So they've told you it's actually too dangerous to operate. Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
3:03:31 Yeah. 3:03:32 So the residual in my brain aneurysm has increased twice. 3:03:36 So I got a hold of my vascular neurosurgeon and we had a conversation and I said, okay, you have said you're going to put more coils in my head. 3:03:46 Like, let's do that. 3:03:48 So about six months ago, we had the conversation and his 3:03:52 What he said to me was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, Nicole. 3:03:55 It's an abnormal brain aneurysm right now. 3:03:58 It's unoperable. 3:04:00 It's too dangerous to operate on my head, and we just have to monitor it. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:04:06 But that means you're taking time bomb. 3:04:08 It could burst any time. Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
3:04:10 Yes, sir. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:04:11 And if it bursts, you die. Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
3:04:12 Yes, sir. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:04:15 And when you were describing this to me in an earlier interview, you said to me that every day... 3:04:21 You cry. Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
3:04:23 Every day. 3:04:25 Every day. 3:04:26 What you see here is who people see. 3:04:30 But what we don't talk about is the despair, the abandonment, the financial insecurity. 3:04:39 For me and my boys, as a single mother, you know, it's awful. 3:04:45 I've had to sit down and talk with my son. 3:04:48 I've just prayed that I could make it to my son's graduation. 3:04:52 And he graduated in June, but he has also taken on the role of, we had to sit down and have the conversation that if something happens to me, my 18 year old, who's working in the oil field right now, that he will raise my son. 3:05:08 He will raise his brother. 3:05:10 We've had to plan for the worst and hope for the best. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:05:12 So I just want to slow this down so people understand because both fathers are deceased. 3:05:18 There's nobody to step in if you die. 3:05:22 To raise your two boys. 3:05:24 And so you've had to speak with your 18-year-old son and get him to agree that he's going to raise his brother, who is currently 11. Speaker 7 — Nicole Sedore
3:05:38 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:05:40 You've also had to set up your will. 3:05:43 It's not that you have anything. Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
3:05:45 I have nothing. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:05:46 But what's there, it just makes it clear to the boys so that they can raise each other. 3:05:54 And you've also had to talk to your boys about you not being revived if that brain aneurysm bursts. 3:06:04 Can you talk about that and what the conversation is like with your boys when you have this? Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
3:06:10 Well, having to go through all of this, the only reason I have a roof over my head and my boys is my parents. 3:06:17 Because... 3:06:19 My doctor has written me off work many, many, many times. 3:06:22 You need to take it easy. 3:06:23 You need to take it easy. 3:06:24 Well, I can't. 3:06:26 I've been denied, denied disability, denied everything. 3:06:32 Sorry, what was the question? 3:06:34 I'm sorry. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:06:34 Oh, no, it's perfectly all right. 3:06:36 Sorry. 3:06:38 I was just pointing out that you basically have a document saying don't revive me if that brain aneurysm bursts. Speaker 14 — Nicole Sedore
3:06:44 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:06:45 But you've actually had to talk because there's nobody else for them to, your kids, your 18-year-old's going to have to make that decision and give those directions. Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
3:06:54 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:06:54 So. Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
3:06:56 I don't want to be a burden on my children. 3:07:00 I feel like a burden on my family already. 3:07:02 And so I do not want to be revived because I don't want to be a burden on my children. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:07:08 Right. 3:07:08 But you've had to have the discussion with an 18-year-old. 3:07:11 But if you get the call, you tell them don't revive them. Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
3:07:14 My children have grown up with a sticky note. 3:07:16 My son, my little one was six. 3:07:18 We've had a sticky note on our fridge. 3:07:21 And I was speaking with him before I came here and asking him how this has affected him. 3:07:26 He's like, all I know is I go to that sticky note. 3:07:28 If mom goes down, I call 911 and I tell them it's a brain aneurysm. 3:07:33 Hurry up because if you take too long, she will be dead. 3:07:37 And that is the reality of how my children have grown up in these last five years. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:07:46 David, I think we do have some slides on this. 3:07:49 Oh, I thought I'd asked you about that. 3:07:50 Well, that's okay. 3:07:55 What's been the most difficult part about this? Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
3:07:59 My mental health. 3:08:03 Yeah, my mental health. 3:08:05 I've made a conscious decision. 3:08:07 I'm not angry anymore. 3:08:11 Because if I'm angry, it just adds stress. 3:08:14 And that's going to take away the joy that I have with my children. 3:08:18 I try and hang on to every moment, every day. 3:08:24 My mental health, the financial insecurity, there's no stability. 3:08:29 The denials, the gaslighting, the way I've been spoken to. 3:08:33 Yeah, and just not knowing where the next dollar is going to come from. 3:08:41 You know, there's been times where I've only had money to feed my children. 3:08:45 I don't eat. 3:08:48 You know, it's awful. 3:08:50 You know, I, I've been working since I'm 12. 3:08:54 I'm a hard worker. 3:08:55 You take somebody's health away and they can't go to work. 3:08:58 And I've always been the breadwinner and I'm okay with that. 3:09:01 I've always been okay with that. 3:09:03 I've always been able to take care of myself and be independent. 3:09:07 And there's some days where my head is just, you know, it, 3:09:11 The pressure, the pressure behind my eyes, you know, some days I feel okay, but there's no, you don't know how you're going to feel from day to day. 3:09:20 And coming into winter, I don't know how I'm going to feel. 3:09:23 I don't know. 3:09:24 I'm always trying to think about that. 3:09:26 I have nothing for my children. 3:09:28 If something happens to me, there's no money. 3:09:31 There's a minivan with two years left to pay on it, you know? 3:09:36 So yeah, it's just, it's, it's, it's awful. 3:09:42 It's total, it's just hell. 3:09:44 I don't know if I can say that. 3:09:46 That's what it feels like some days. 3:09:48 You know, and people will say, because when they appear to meet me, I have to tell everybody around me, if I go down, don't try and resuscitate me. 3:10:00 But, you know, people say, oh, try not to think about it. 3:10:03 Well, I can't. 3:10:03 It's literally in the back of my head. 3:10:05 I can feel the construction site in the back of my head. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
3:10:14 Nicole, I want to thank you for coming today, and I want to ask the RMPs if they have any questions. 3:10:25 And I'll just ask a question. 3:10:27 Nicole, once again, I'm reminded that so many people that show up here have got so many things to juggle, right? 3:10:37 You've got to worry about health issues. 3:10:39 You've got to worry about family issues. 3:10:42 And, you know, probably more importantly, or most importantly, in the whole mix of that is financially, how do you keep everything together? 3:10:50 So, you know, how do you, you talked about your younger boy, but as you talk to your kids in general, how do those conversations go in terms of how do they feel about what they've seen their mother go through? Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
3:11:08 My boys are amazing. 3:11:10 They've had to grown up so fast. 3:11:14 We don't talk about it all the time. 3:11:16 We don't talk about it. 3:11:17 I don't want to talk about it all the time. 3:11:22 But the pressure, especially on my oldest, is immense. 3:11:27 You know, my parents have, you know, they're hardworking, Alberta-born kids. 3:11:36 You know, they've been incredible. 3:11:38 But as a 50-year-old woman to have to ask your parents, the only reason I'm here today is because of my mother. 3:11:45 I'm wearing her clothes. 3:11:47 You know, I don't want to die before my parents die. 3:11:52 That's one of my biggest fears. 3:11:55 Because I've already been through enough. 3:11:56 My family has been through enough to witness this. 3:12:01 You know, most ageism. 3:12:07 Nobody wants to hear about my burning head and, you know, but some days it's unbearable. 3:12:13 But you go to work because that's what you have to do as a mother to put food on the table. 3:12:18 Like I do what I can, even though the doctors are, you know, you need to take it easy. 3:12:24 There's just no other options. 3:12:26 My doctors, I did the thing. 3:12:28 I went to the doctors. 3:12:29 They signed the papers, sent it off. 3:12:32 And I got denied from VISP. 3:12:35 It was a year ago. 3:12:36 Oh, you can appeal. 3:12:38 So it was appealed right away. 3:12:39 That was a year ago. 3:12:40 I don't know. 3:12:41 My doctor made me fill out the paperwork for disability, denied, you know. 3:12:48 So I've just chosen to just keep on working, do what I can when I can to try and help. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
3:12:57 And I would also guess because of what an elite athlete you were, you probably weathered some of this 3:13:05 better than most. 3:13:06 And that's not undermining what you have to deal with. Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
3:13:09 Yeah. 3:13:10 Like I love to swim. 3:13:11 Swimming is my thing. 3:13:12 I'm scared to swim, to be honest with you at the moment, because swimming, you're alone in your thoughts. 3:13:21 And I'm scared to swim sometimes because when something happens, then I'm really a goner. 3:13:28 You know, even swimming, 3:13:31 Like my internal specialist and my vascular neurosurgeon, because at one point I was on two blood thinners, one for this and one for my head. 3:13:39 And so they've had to come together. 3:13:40 And the conclusion when they talked was like, she's on too many blood thinners because I was getting dizzy. 3:13:47 And so my internal specialist, like we've decided that we're going to put you on the one blood thinner just for your head because if something's going to go haywire, we'd rather it go haywire with clotting, not with your brain. 3:13:58 So. 3:14:00 And I am on Alberta Benefits, and they won't even pay for my blood thinner because the conversation was my vascular neurosurgeon is not educated enough to prescribe this medication because it's supposed to come from a cardiologist. 3:14:14 So I have to pay for that every month, which is $90. 3:14:19 Like, it's just one thing after another. 3:14:24 There is no help for people like me. 3:14:29 For that, that's my boys. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
3:14:31 And so maybe one final question. 3:14:32 What type of costs do you have to incur for medicine or treatment? Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
3:14:39 Medicine, I don't do anything else because I don't have money to do anything else. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
3:14:43 So you would do more if you could? Speaker 19 — Nicole Sedore
3:14:45 Yes, there's lots of things I would like to do. 3:14:47 I would like to, you know, with my trauma and stuff, there's lots of things that would probably help me in a day-to-day, but I don't. 3:14:54 I can't. 3:14:56 It's food and shelter. 3:14:58 That's all. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
3:15:00 Well, Nicole, thank you very much for being here today. 3:15:02 Thank you for traveling great distances to share your stories. 3:15:06 It's all important, so thank you. Speaker 13 — Nicole Sedore
3:15:08 Thank you for doing this. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:15:14 Our next witness is Dr. Gary Davidson. 3:15:19 Dr. Davidson, will you take the Bible in your right hand? 3:15:26 Dr. Gary Davidson, do you 3:15:29 swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God. Speaker 5 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:15:34 I do. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:15:35 I understand that you just flew in from Seoul, South Korea. 3:15:41 That's true. 3:15:41 Are you reliving the same day? 3:15:45 No, I think I lost it. 3:15:47 No, I don't know. 3:15:48 I have no idea. 3:15:49 I appreciate, though, that you're going to be very fatigued, but you were down there. 3:15:53 You had a meeting with the Minister of Health there and likely some other government officials. 3:15:58 Correct. 3:15:58 I won't ask you about that. 3:16:01 But most Canadians don't understand that actually there was a government inquiry into COVID-19 and COVID-19 issues. 3:16:13 And that was in the province of Alberta. 3:16:15 And I just, I'm going to introduce you to the inquiry. 3:16:18 And then my question after that is simply going to be, can you explain to me kind of like how did that come about and what were the terms of reference and the purpose? 3:16:28 And then 3:16:29 and then we'll go a little further so for the inquiry dr davidson was an emergency physician at the red deer regional hospital for over 16 years dr davidson was the clinical lead of emergency medicine for the central zone and chief of the emergency department at red deer regional hospital from 2016 to 2020 he was also an associate clinical professor at the university of alberta when his position was terminated 3:16:58 due to his stance against some public health measures. 3:17:02 I live in Alberta. 3:17:03 I know that Dr. Davidson has an extremely good reputation and is called upon to assist the government at times with advice. 3:17:13 Dr. Davidson, how did it come about? 3:17:16 Just because whenever there's an inquiry, it seems that the last name of the person heading the inquiry, so I think of it as the Davidson Report, but that's not the name. 3:17:26 It's like people think of this as the Allison Inquiry. 3:17:29 Can you share with us how this government task force came about and what its mandate was and what it did? Speaker 20 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:17:38 The premier wrote a letter to the health minister in November 2022 and asked the health minister to set up. 3:17:47 It actually ended up being a data review. 3:17:50 And the difference between a data review and inquiry and inquiry, a formal inquiry, you can subpoena people that show up and they have to show up and testify in. 3:17:58 The data review is we were allowed to ask anybody we could ask questions, but people weren't made to answer questions necessarily. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:18:10 But I'll just stop you because this is the Minister of Health asking you guys to do this. 3:18:15 So surely all the departments, I'm being facetious because I know they didn't, would share information with you. Speaker 20 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:18:21 Yeah, you would have thought. 3:18:24 Yeah, so we did get a lot of information for sure, but it wasn't a formal judicial inquiry. 3:18:31 So people had to volunteer or be willing to share with us. 3:18:36 Yeah, so yeah, the premier asked for it, the Ministry of Health. 3:18:40 Then I was asked to chair the task force that then set up the committee. 3:18:46 And we were given two years to write the report of which we handed in. 3:18:52 January 24th, 2025, I think. Speaker 3 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:18:57 And what was the purpose of this task force? Speaker 20 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:19:05 Her mandate was to review Alberta's response to the COVID-19 pandemic, what our scope was. 3:19:17 But in the end, when we finished writing it all, the terms of reference that I was obviously involved in writing was it's a data review. 3:19:24 So we want to know what data was used, what information was used to make the decisions Alberta made in everything they chose to do during the COVID-19 response. 3:19:35 So we looked at what data they used, where they got it from, who gave it to them, who interpreted it, whether they were qualified to interpret it. 3:19:44 Did they do a jurisdictional review or a jurisdictional scan? 3:19:47 Did they look at other places doing similar to see if it worked or didn't work? 3:19:52 We looked at how it was implied or applied and then did it turn out the way they thought? 3:19:57 So these were the questions we had. 3:20:02 And then we had different areas we looked into. 3:20:04 So we looked into... 3:20:06 data and governance. 3:20:10 So how did the information get shuffled around? 3:20:12 Where did it come from and who is in charge of that? 3:20:15 We looked at the vaccines, the therapeutics, which included any treatment. 3:20:20 We looked at masking, specifically lockdowns, things like that. 3:20:24 So we looked at nine different areas, but we asked those questions. 3:20:28 What data did you use? 3:20:29 And that's what the data review was. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:20:32 And I assume the purpose was is to assist the government if 3:20:37 They find themselves in a similar situation to basically be able to make changes so that decisions are made as best decisions possible. Speaker 20 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:20:45 Right. 3:20:46 Yeah, that's right. 3:20:47 So we interviewed as best we could and researched all the data to see if what they did worked. 3:20:54 Could it be done better? 3:20:55 Was there something that wasn't done well? 3:20:57 And what do we need to do to make sure it works better next time? 3:20:59 Because that always can be done. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:21:02 And I'm just going to ask, I'm just going to read. 3:21:06 some of the people involved, and I'm really sticking my, limiting myself, because with a project like this, and I also know that there'll be a ton of people that aren't listed in the report that contributed heavily, and I'm just limiting myself to medical doctors and researchers. 3:21:23 But this is just the biography list in the report itself. 3:21:28 You're listed, Dr. Gary Davidson, M.B., Dr. Blaine Atchen, M.D., 3:21:34 Dr. David Vickers, PhD, Dr. Justin Chin, MD, Dr. David Speaker, PhD, DTM, Dr. Byron Bridle, PhD, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, MD, PhD, and he's currently the director of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, a very high-ranking position within the U.S. government. 3:22:02 Dr. Kevin Bardosh, PhD. 3:22:06 So these are just the medical doctors and researchers with PhDs that I listed. 3:22:14 I just limited it to that. 3:22:15 But the point I'm trying to make, Dr. Davidson, is we're really talking about a high caliber, the world-class people and experts that have come together to assist you in putting this together. 3:22:29 And I imagine you were highly impressed with the team. Speaker 20 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:22:32 Yeah, I mean, you know, that I said to everybody on the team, I wanted to surround myself with people way smarter than me, because if I'm the smartest person in the room, we're in a lot of trouble. 3:22:42 And so I think we did that, as you just read the list of people. 3:22:46 You know, yeah, people had a lot of experience and a lot of training in the area, and I wanted to make sure that everybody could bring something that was, yeah, world-level investigation, and that's what we had. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:23:01 And David, can I just pull up the slide of just the title page? 3:23:06 So I just want, because Dr. Davidson, it's a story in itself that a provincial government has had a task force, evaluate what a province did and come up with some recommendations on how to do things better or what to look into, that the rest of the country isn't aware that there was a government task force 3:23:31 and and so we're very pleased that you're here because any inquiry into vaccine injury should include things that governments have already done so that we're aware of them and i will let everyone know that this is the full report is an exhibit at this inquiry and so eventually we'll have a you know a web page for you and of your testimony and this marked as an exhibit so that anyone can access it but 3:23:58 If you have the title, you can find this online. 3:24:00 It is an official government report that is on the Alberta government website. 3:24:05 It's not a secret. 3:24:07 It's just for whatever reason, the mainstream media didn't report on it. 3:24:12 So Canadians don't know. 3:24:15 Can you kind of share your thoughts about what do you think were the major lessons learned and what, I guess, 3:24:27 Do you wish you could have done differently? 3:24:30 Because I know you had some informational challenges. 3:24:34 And maybe perhaps what the biggest surprise was. 3:24:37 Because we're always surprised when we're doing a project. Speaker 20 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:24:43 Yeah, I'm not sure if we had any big surprises. 3:24:46 The biggest thing we learned, I think, probably was data flow. 3:24:50 Like, so where was the information coming from? 3:24:52 Because, you know, I was reading... 3:24:56 stuff in 2020 you know late 2019 that that was all there just like we heard earlier that anybody could have found this information um the gentleman from cbc you know the reporter was sharing it was like yeah we we knew that and um it yeah why why it got pushed down it's i don't that's above my pay grade but um 3:25:24 The data flow, when we talked to the people involved in Alberta, what they said was that Health Canada told them how to set up their dashboard, then Health Canada would take harvest data from their dashboard, make a presentation and give it back to them, told them, you take this to your people and this is the information you share with them. 3:25:46 So it was just a circular thing that really wasn't being done in Alberta. 3:25:50 And that was, I found that quite interesting. 3:25:56 we asked to interview 109 people everywhere from the top to the bottom. 3:26:02 We want to know who was making the decisions because that's, everybody said somebody else was, that that's what we ran into. 3:26:09 And so in the end, we interviewed a couple of MLAs that had vaccine injuries, a couple of people in the department that were asked to speak with us because they had a job in the government. 3:26:20 And so, and they, they did, and they were very helpful. 3:26:23 Then we interviewed another, 3:26:26 in the end, eight people total out of the 109 that we wanted to interview that were decision makers in the health system in Alberta. 3:26:37 And we always started the same way. 3:26:41 Share with me how it went. 3:26:42 How did you feel it went? 3:26:43 What did you do well? 3:26:44 What could you have done different? 3:26:46 What was your thoughts? 3:26:47 And they shared stuff. 3:26:50 And then we always, it was a data review. 3:26:51 So I just said, so, you know, I had all of the things that they 3:26:56 had done in their job, all the edicts that they had put out. 3:27:01 And I said, so in this one here in particular, can you share with me the primary literature you read to back up that decision? 3:27:09 And these are all doctors, some with PhDs and other things like that. 3:27:14 So well-educated and all in positions of leadership. 3:27:17 And they said, oh, I didn't. 3:27:20 I said, what do you mean you didn't? 3:27:21 Like, you can see that there is a, 3:27:24 you know, a mandate that came down from up top, and it was given, you know, and so when you implemented it, did you read the information? 3:27:34 And they said, we didn't have time. 3:27:36 And some of them even said, we didn't know how to read that stuff. 3:27:40 And it wasn't shocking, but it was just sad, because people trusted that they were actually reading the information, and when they told you to do it, they thought that they had read it, 3:27:53 because they're a doctor, could understand it and were sharing it as the best information they had. 3:27:57 But in the end, it was just, they were given something, they just handed it to somebody else to do and just make this happen. 3:28:03 And it wasn't shocking. 3:28:04 It was just sad to actually hear because I watched it happen. 3:28:08 I knew it was happening like that. 3:28:10 And that was the part that most people don't realize happened, that these people that were telling, that were implementing these edicts didn't know why. 3:28:23 None of them read any of the primary research behind it. 3:28:27 And then, you know, I was a primary author on the therapeutics chapter on the treatments. 3:28:32 And so on ivermectin, there was a thing that came out of Alberta Health Services, a scientific advisory group, and it said, you know, you shouldn't use ivermectin. 3:28:41 And I said to the people making decisions on this one in particular, when you told everybody they couldn't use ivermectin, 3:28:50 did you read the primary research on that edict that was passed down? 3:28:55 Of course they hadn't. 3:28:56 I said, did you realize that the primary research that they use, there's 10 papers that they use to back up their decision, actually said ivermectin worked. 3:29:03 But in the end they said, well, we're not really that sure, so probably shouldn't do it. 3:29:07 And that was the edict that was passed down. 3:29:10 And I said, so you didn't read it. 3:29:12 You didn't realize that actually the papers they used showed it actually could work and definitely didn't hurt anybody. 3:29:18 And none of them would write. 3:29:20 Nobody would write. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:29:22 I'm just going to slow you down on this one, but then I want you to keep going because I think everyone is finding this as fascinating as I am. 3:29:29 So in Alberta, I mean, definitely the policy became don't use ivermectin. 3:29:35 So really, it's a policy directive towards doctors. 3:29:39 And tell me if I'm exaggerating, but I mean, Alberta doctors understood that they could be facing misconduct. 3:29:47 if they were to prescribe ivermectin for anything, but the two listed parasites that Health Canada had approved them. Speaker 3 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:29:56 Only during, after COVID, through and after COVID. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:29:58 Right, right. 3:29:59 Like today, they might be fine. 3:30:01 But that's what I mean. 3:30:02 So this was a directive that basically prevented Alberta doctors from, it took a treatment tool away from them. 3:30:12 And I assume you'll agree with me that they're, 3:30:15 with some pretty cogent evidence that ivermectin should be in a physician's toolbox for trying to treat coagulation. 3:30:25 And I'm actually, you probably feel more strongly than how I phrased it. Speaker 20 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:30:30 Yeah, it's very true. 3:30:30 So 3:30:32 That's one of the things I got in trouble. 3:30:34 That's one of the reasons I lost my professorship and a few other things over was I prescribed a lot of ivermectin. 3:30:40 I prescribed it. 3:30:41 I wrote it as a prescription before we weren't allowed to September 22nd, 2021. 3:30:47 And before that, I wrote, well, I know how many I wrote. 3:30:52 I wrote a lot of prescriptions, more than anybody else in Western Canada, put it that way. 3:30:57 So I ran six pharmacies out of ivermectin. 3:31:00 So I wrote a lot of it. 3:31:02 And I treated people for COVID. 3:31:06 Anybody that came, nobody under 18, just, you know, I didn't need to deal with that. 3:31:11 Patients that were very senior and elderly and very unwell. 3:31:14 And out of all those patients, I didn't lose a patient. 3:31:17 I didn't have one of them die on, but we treated them with a protocol that was very proven, had good scientific research behind it using, I prescribed Arvamex. 3:31:26 And I wasn't telling people to go to the farm store and buy it there. 3:31:29 I'd prescribe it to them legally. 3:31:31 And, um, 3:31:32 And then, yeah, it was taken away. 3:31:33 And I was just thinking, show me the research that proves that it's dangerous because I'd never seen anything like that. 3:31:41 So it was, yeah, some of it was just hard to get my head around. 3:31:49 And I got threatened with my job about prescribing. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:31:53 I want to slow this down again. 3:31:54 I mean, I think there was a province in the country of India that, 3:31:59 gave out like hundreds of millions of doses of ivermectin. 3:32:02 And now in like a post-analysis, don't tell me we disagree. 3:32:06 I mean, ivermectin, if we were facing COVID-19 again, should be one of the frontline tools for physicians to use to treat COVID if we were facing it brand new. Speaker 20 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:32:22 I would agree with that. 3:32:24 That's the research I found. 3:32:25 And like I said, I used it hundreds of times. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:32:28 Well, you were actually managing an emergency department and successfully treating COVID-19 patients. 3:32:35 Not in the emergency department, but as a physician. 3:32:38 Yeah. 3:32:40 So, okay. 3:32:41 So carry on. 3:32:41 I just, it was important, I think, for us to point out that, so here's a decision to limit a treatment that actually you personally was finding tremendously effective in managing patients on COVID. 3:32:56 The decision was, 3:32:58 likely caused lives in the province of Alberta. 3:33:00 Would that be fair to say? 3:33:02 That would be your opinion? Speaker 20 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:33:03 That would be my thought for sure. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:33:04 Okay, so this is important. 3:33:07 So a decision that likely caused deaths and the people that are implementing the decision actually didn't read the research that the decision was based on. 3:33:18 That's what we found, yes. 3:33:19 And the research that it was based on, actually, if you read it objectively, would, oh my gosh, we should be pushing ivermectin. Speaker 20 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:33:26 Yeah. 3:33:27 In the report on the therapeutics chapter, we show, like, there's hundreds and hundreds of papers on it that show that. 3:33:36 And if you do bring them all together in a review, it's very positive for it. 3:33:41 And it has to be done a certain way. 3:33:42 There is protocols you need to follow. 3:33:44 It's just not. 3:33:46 There's some people using it kind of willy-nilly, and there was then, too, and that's not quite the way to do things. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:33:51 Now, this inquiry is focusing on vaccine entry. 3:33:55 This report has a chapter on COVID-19 vaccines, and I told you I was going to just pull up the recommendations section. 3:34:07 David, can you pull up the slide? 3:34:10 So I just pulled this. 3:34:12 This slide is actually straight out of your report, except where it says on the top, conclusions from Chapter 8, Alberta COVID-19 Pandemic Response File and Report. 3:34:21 We put that in so that we could identify where this came from. 3:34:25 But the head including conclusions and recommendations and these conclusions and recommendations, these are directly out of the Davidson Report. 3:34:35 So the first one is, is immediately halt. 3:34:38 the use of all COVID-19 vaccines without full disclosure to patients regarding both the safety and efficacy issues by the physicians. 3:34:47 So you're not really saying people can't use them, but there's got to be full disclosure. 3:34:51 Can you share with us why this task force came to this as a conclusion, a recommendation? Speaker 20 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:35:04 Because it was pretty obvious, and I think you've seen it in many other testimonies here, that people weren't told that there could be bad side effects. 3:35:11 There could be really poor outcomes possible. 3:35:14 And I think a person has to always remember, though, that still the vast majority of people that took them have not had any side effects. 3:35:22 And we have to remember that. 3:35:23 It's not everybody, right? 3:35:26 But it's still a number that's present. 3:35:28 But nobody was told that. 3:35:29 We were told they're completely safe and healthy for everybody to take, all the way down to six months of age that had almost zero risk from COVID. 3:35:40 You know, probably the one that really sticks with me is the pregnant ladies. 3:35:46 So if you know on the Pfizer website, 3:35:49 research that was done in 2020, before the vaccine was out. 3:35:52 There was 44,000 people in the study, 22,000 each arm, one was placebo, one was getting the treatment. 3:35:58 They didn't vaccinate anybody who was pregnant on purpose because they just didn't. 3:36:03 But 272 girls became pregnant during the follow-up period. 3:36:07 Very interesting. 3:36:08 They lost 238 of the charts to follow up. 3:36:11 They don't know what happened to them, which is strange because they didn't lose 278 of any, 3:36:17 30 of the other charts. 3:36:19 So why they lost all those, we don't know. 3:36:21 Anyway, it left about 34 charts that they didn't lose. 3:36:25 And out of that, there was only one normal child born. 3:36:29 The rest of them had bad outcomes. 3:36:32 And so I'm just, but was anybody told that? 3:36:34 So it's interesting because I had the Pfizer research before we had any vaccines in anybody. 3:36:40 I had their paper and I had it at work and I got my pharmacist to print it off and I highlighted that. 3:36:46 And I showed my colleagues and I got in trouble for creating vaccine hesitancy. 3:36:50 We didn't even have vaccine yet. 3:36:52 And I'm thinking, what do you mean? 3:36:54 Like, this is just what we should share with people. 3:36:57 So I got in a lot of trouble for that and got, that was one of the reasons they took my professorship away because they didn't think I was safe to have a resident because I was teaching them this stuff. 3:37:05 I wasn't teaching them anything. 3:37:06 I was showing them Pfizer's own paper and just saying, you should just read this and know this. 3:37:12 And it was just bizarre. 3:37:14 But that was creating vaccine hesitancy. 3:37:16 I'm thinking, I hope so. 3:37:19 You know, like, that's, so nobody had informed consent. 3:37:26 And so we were giving it to these girls who were pregnant. 3:37:30 And I'm just like, you've got to be kidding me. 3:37:32 There are so many things we don't give girls who are pregnant that are way safer than this. 3:37:37 And I can name 100 of them without even thinking. 3:37:41 that we just say, well, we don't give that when you're pregnant. 3:37:43 You can have that when you're not, but you shouldn't take it when you're pregnant. 3:37:45 I just know that. 3:37:46 But this, we had no evidence whatsoever other than that, which looked bad, but it was very preliminary. 3:37:53 I'm just saying, hang on, we shouldn't do this until we know more. 3:37:56 And it's like, oh, no, no, we're all good to go. 3:37:58 And it was stunning. 3:38:00 So I just said, before you give anybody this vaccine, you have to make sure they understand the risks and benefits for themselves. 3:38:06 They get to choose, just like I hope for everything else in our society. 3:38:11 Because if you don't have full disclosure, how can you make a proper decision? 3:38:16 And it just was very bizarre to me. 3:38:20 So there's lots of others if you go through all of the research. 3:38:22 There's tons of it that people weren't being told. 3:38:25 And we heard it here, you know, where the research was easy to find, but the media was still telling you it was completely safe. 3:38:32 You know, you could say it was fairly safe. 3:38:34 You could say a lot of things, but you can't say that. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:38:36 So I want to move to the next one. 3:38:38 So the next one, 3:38:40 I found very interesting. 3:38:41 So the next conclusion and recommendation was end use of the COVID-19 vaccines for healthy children and teenagers, as other jurisdictions have done, see Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, and the UK. 3:39:00 Can you comment on that one? Speaker 20 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:39:02 Yeah, there was a 23 million person study done in these countries that are listed here. 3:39:09 because they said there was something not quite right. 3:39:11 It seems like the side effects aren't worth it. 3:39:14 We have to do this. 3:39:14 So they studied it and they realized that if you're under 50, that's what they said, if you're under 50, the risk of the vaccine wasn't worth the risk of getting COVID. 3:39:23 You had higher risk from the vaccine than you did from COVID itself. 3:39:27 So they didn't recommend it. 3:39:31 And then for healthy teens and children, they just said, you can't get it unless you get a letter from your doctor saying that you specifically need it. 3:39:41 And so put the onus back on the doctor to explain to the parents whether this child needed it or not. 3:39:47 And that's what we thought should be done. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:39:48 So I just want to unpack that. 3:39:50 So, I mean, basically these other jurisdictions had studied a very large sample size. 3:39:54 I think you said 23 million. 3:39:56 and came to the conclusion that actually for people under 50, the vaccine was causing more harm than benefit. 3:40:03 Correct. 3:40:04 Now, adults are able to make their own informed decisions, but there's a responsibility to protect children and teenagers. 3:40:10 Correct. 3:40:11 So these jurisdictions, these countries, have actually banned COVID-19 vaccines for anyone, you know, basically likely 18 and under. 3:40:21 Yeah. 3:40:21 And those countries are Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, and the UK. 3:40:25 I mean, we're not talking about third world countries without a health ministry. 3:40:29 These are serious European Union countries. Speaker 20 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:40:31 Yeah, it was a big study that they did. 3:40:34 Of course, there's, you know, you can throw it into Grok and they'll give you all sorts of reasons why it wasn't done right. Speaker 3 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:40:40 But we just have to read through it all. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:40:42 But since this report, I expect that your opinion is that you would stick by this because there's further information that the risks outweigh the benefits. Speaker 20 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:40:51 It's become more clear since then, for sure. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:40:53 Right. 3:40:54 Yeah. 3:40:55 Yeah, no, I would still say that's what I would recommend. 3:40:59 Those are my questions. 3:41:01 The MPs like they have something. Speaker 5 — MP Glen Motz
3:41:05 Thank you very much, Dr. Davidson, for being here. 3:41:09 I think most of society has people pedestals. 3:41:16 And doctors are usually on that pedestal. 3:41:19 But through this whole five, six years of going through this, I think people have changed their mind a lot. 3:41:26 And no offense to President Kampa, to me. 3:41:30 How do we move forward to get some sort of a 3:41:38 I guess confidence back in the system. 3:41:40 I mean, is it somebody had mentioned they didn't have time to read, right? 3:41:47 But if they're providing care to people, we think that they wanted to have the best care possible with these people. 3:41:54 How do you reconcile that? Speaker 20 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:41:58 I'm not sure if I know the answer to that, how to restore the trust back in. 3:42:04 in the profession, to be honest with you, after this, because when people have been hurt and injured and we, or, you know, in my, some of my colleagues haven't seemed to have done what they did in, you know, good faith, it seems. 3:42:24 And of all people, we should have known, we should have been able to read, you know, and like I say, I printed off Pfizer's own research in my office. 3:42:33 And I'm the department head, and I'm saying, guys, you need to read this. 3:42:36 And they're just like, I'm not reading that. 3:42:39 And I don't even know why they did that, because it was pretty easy to read. 3:42:43 It was pretty easy to see that there were more people died in the vaccinated arm than the unvaccinated arm. 3:42:48 There were so many things in there. 3:42:50 It was so obvious this wasn't a good vaccine. 3:42:52 But they wouldn't read it, because I'll tell you why. 3:42:55 Because I got in trouble every time I did something. 3:42:57 And doctors don't have really a lot of transferable skills. 3:43:01 Walmart wasn't hiring, and they don't pay well. 3:43:04 And if I lost my job, I had two kids in the school in the States in college that I would have had to bring them home. 3:43:11 I have a farm. 3:43:12 You know, as a professional, you have quite a large overhead. 3:43:15 There was no other way to pay those things. 3:43:18 And everybody could see how I was getting treated. 3:43:20 And they said, we're not going there. 3:43:22 I had lots of them come up to me and said, I really appreciate what you're doing, but I just can't do it. 3:43:26 And that's unfortunate. Speaker 5 — MP Glen Motz
3:43:28 So in reality... 3:43:32 the very system that's supposed to care for people was coerced into and fear-mongered into promoting something that they themselves had no confidence or care to check. 3:43:49 It's unfortunate that we have coercion by the people who received the vaccine and then how many people, the doctors, the medical profession were coerced 3:44:01 from above, from government to do this. Speaker 2 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:44:07 Yeah. 3:44:09 Yeah. Speaker 20 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:44:10 Yeah. 3:44:11 I'll just agree with you. 3:44:14 It's really sad. Speaker 5 — MP Glen Motz
3:44:16 Well, do you have a question? Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
3:44:18 Go ahead, Alex. Speaker 18 — MP Alex Ruff
3:44:21 Just a quick one. 3:44:22 In your opinion, why do you think Canada, especially recommendation number two that you made was in the report about, you know, 3:44:30 basically limiting the vaccines going forward for younger children that are healthy, considering most of those countries listed are countries that we actually tend to be very much aligned with from a professional sort of democratic process and even health services. 3:44:48 Why hasn't Canada sort of said, you know what, this makes sense going forward, at least, and again, I'm not litigating on the past, but just sort of going forward, why hasn't 3:45:02 the Public Health Agency of Canada sort of made the same recommendation? Speaker 20 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:45:08 I have ideas, but I don't really know. 3:45:11 Yeah. 3:45:14 Yeah. 3:45:19 Some of it's just I don't understand. 3:45:21 I really don't. 3:45:22 I don't understand why we did it in the first place and why we haven't been able to change since. 3:45:26 I really don't understand. 3:45:29 It's just sometimes hard to back up. 3:45:32 And I think people are afraid to admit they're wrong for fear of what it may cost them. 3:45:41 Yeah, I think that's a big part of it. 3:45:43 And then, yeah, I think most people, most physicians are good people and really do want to look after people, but they are really put in a really, really impossible position. 3:45:56 And yeah, so I... 3:46:01 I think it's the same all the way around. 3:46:03 I think it's hard to back up and admit you're wrong because then also the liability comes with that. 3:46:08 And then where does it end? 3:46:10 There's a lot of people that didn't do well. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
3:46:14 Thank you very much. 3:46:15 And as usual, we're out of time and I want to ask questions, but I can't. 3:46:18 But Dr. Davis, I want to thank you very much for being here and for taking the time. 3:46:23 It's interesting, as much as I followed a lot of the stuff over the years, I was unaware that Alberta did a report. 3:46:30 So that just tells you, you know, if you're sort of paying attention, and I say sort of paying attention, you don't know, what are the chances the public will ever be paying attention? Speaker 20 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:46:40 Yeah. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
3:46:40 I think I was going to ask you which ones were implemented in Alberta, but I'm not going to do that. 3:46:45 Which one of the recommendations? 3:46:46 I think I get the answer to that as well. Speaker 20 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:46:48 No, our premier has done quite a bit, actually, in Alberta. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
3:46:51 Great. 3:46:51 So I really appreciate it. 3:46:53 That's actually taken. 3:46:54 Well, thank you for being here. 3:46:55 I think this has been enlightening, I think, certainly for 3:46:58 most people that may not understand that, uh, there was actually a province that, uh, commissioned some type of report. Speaker 20 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:47:03 Yeah. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
3:47:04 And you've explained very clearly what that report looked like versus, you know, uh, an inquiry officially versus that all great and very helpful. 3:47:11 So thank you very much. Speaker 1 — Dr. Gary Davidson
3:47:12 Thank you. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
3:47:12 Thanks. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:47:13 And, and Dr. Davidson, um, again, the travel that you did to get here, we just thank you. 3:47:20 I know it's tough and that we so appreciate you coming. 3:47:22 And it's just so important that the only government report done 3:47:27 needed to be part of this record. 3:47:30 So I personally thank you for coming. 3:47:31 Thank you. 3:47:32 You're welcome. 3:47:38 David, before we go to the next witnesses' slides, can we do the Foster videos? Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
3:47:54 I'm going to talk while you pull them up. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:47:57 So we had Rodney Palmer today to go through some slides in this presentation, and he showed a slide of Carol Pearce, and that she had been texting her daughter, and she died during the 15-minute waiting period. 3:48:25 But we have some evidence from an earlier proceeding where her daughter testified under oath. 3:48:32 And it turns out that what happens is, so Carol Pearce goes and visits her daughter that morning. 3:48:40 Well, the neighbor's got a security cam that's motion detector. 3:48:44 So there's a video of Carol Pearce walking into her daughter's house. 3:48:49 She walks in with her daughter. 3:48:52 And then there's a video of her leaving to go get vaccinated. 3:48:55 So she's literally within half an hour of her death. 3:48:59 We've got a video of her walking and it's instructive to watch this. 3:49:03 And then we also have a better one of the texts that happened. 3:49:07 So, David, so we're going to play this. 3:49:11 This is the motion video camera of Carol Pearce the morning she died. 3:49:16 walking with her daughter into her daughter's house now it's a quick video so we've had it so it repeats three times and just watch because a picture is worth a thousand you know words and you can actually see for yourself does she look healthy does she look is this somebody you expect is going to actually drop dead while she's standing and apparently she was dead before she hit the floor 3:49:58 And she's in the red. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
3:49:59 Carol Pearce is wearing a red jacket. 3:50:04 And it's just going to repeat twice. Speaker 10 — Shawn Buckley
3:50:08 Okay. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:50:26 So now she decides to leave and we're going to play the video of her leaving to get into her car to go and get vaccinated. 3:50:34 And again, this one plays three times just so you have a real good opportunity to see her walk. 3:51:41 So Carol gets into her vehicle and she drives to Shoppers Drug Mart in Saskatoon. 3:51:48 There's a long lineup of people and she gets her vaccine and she's back up one, David, to the text. 3:51:55 So she's now gotten her vaccine and she's texting her daughter, Stephanie. 3:52:03 And this would be where it says yesterday at below that 1221 p.m. 3:52:08 Carol Pearce texts, waiting the 15 minutes, emoji, LOL. 3:52:14 And her daughter, Stephanie Foster, texts back, good job. 3:52:19 Carol Pearce, in the last text of her life, texts Stephanie Foster back, thanks. 3:52:26 And Carol Pearce is just standing, waiting around with other people who have been vaccinated in the 15-minute period, and she just suddenly dies. 3:52:35 The report at the other inquiry was that she likely was dead before she hit the floor is what they were told. 3:52:44 And we had Ken Drysdale here talking about National Citizens Archive. 3:52:50 You can see that testimony was Stephanie Foster. 3:52:52 Can we go to the next slide? 3:52:54 So a media outlet, 650 CKOM, put out a full story. 3:53:01 We'll attach the full story as an exhibit. 3:53:05 But in that story, because it was becoming news, wait a second, this lady dropped dead. 3:53:12 And so where we put in on the left there, it's a quote from the story. 3:53:17 This month, several posts on social media indicated a woman died moments or minutes after receiving a booster shot at the pharmacy in Saskatoon. 3:53:26 In an emailed statement, the Ministry of Health confirmed public health was informed of this death 3:53:33 but it was not caused by the vaccine. 3:53:36 The coroner service has investigated this instance and determined that the person died from natural causes, the ministry said. 3:53:45 So when you go and get your vaccine, we can't argue with the coroner service. 3:53:51 So Carol Pearce, just coincidentally, while waiting seven minutes after her second shot happened, 3:54:00 happened to die of natural causes. 3:54:02 But here's where it gets interesting. 3:54:05 It was reported that nobody else left the line. 3:54:08 So there's a long lineup of people waiting to get their vaccines. 3:54:12 They see this lady collapse. 3:54:13 I mean, emergency services are called. 3:54:16 Everyone knows she's dead. 3:54:18 And everyone stays in the line to get their vaccine. 3:54:23 That's where it got interesting. 3:54:24 So I'd like to recall, as a witness, Deanna McLeod, who 3:54:31 We just ran out of time yesterday, but there was more to say. 3:54:35 And so Deanna, would you please take the Bible in your right hand? 3:54:42 Deanna McLeod, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God. 3:54:50 I'll just ask you, we've got about 13 minutes to use that time wisely and continue your presentation. Speaker 21 — Deanna McLeod
3:55:09 Oh, Kaleidoscope Strategic Medical Research Firm, 20 years of doing evidence-based evaluations and trying to counter pharmaceutical bias and preparing guidelines for cancer. 3:55:21 And I'm pressing my slide thing and it is not working. 3:55:27 Hey, okay. 3:55:30 So I'm just gonna show you a few more slides. 3:55:33 We got through part of them yesterday. 3:55:36 The slide on the left is a slide for Bell's palsy. 3:55:40 So a number of the people who reported injuries 3:55:43 neurological injuries following the mRNA vaccine. 3:55:47 So you can see on the left-hand slide, that is OHIP data, which represents the billing data for 16 million people in Ontario, Canada. 3:55:59 This is basically health utility data or access to care data. 3:56:04 So you can see that up until the COVID-19 3:56:09 MRNA product rollout. 3:56:11 You had a steady state. 3:56:13 Whenever we went into lockdowns, it drops down. 3:56:15 There's a rebound. 3:56:16 Those are the white dots. 3:56:18 And then after that, going to the right, you can see that there's an elevation in the number of people on a monthly basis seeking care for Bell's palsy. 3:56:32 So if you were to look at the steady line in the middle, that would be what would be expected during that time. 3:56:38 And those little blue dots are all of the increases in what would be expected at that time. 3:56:43 And these are monthly rates. 3:56:44 So let's just look at that. 3:56:46 So we would say maybe seven or eight people would be expected to be looking for care for Bell's palsy in a given time. 3:56:53 And then we have a jump up to nine, ten at any given point. 3:56:56 And the gray 3:56:59 Band is what would be due to chance and what's above the band would be something that would unlikely be due to chance. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:57:05 Right. 3:57:05 And when you see numbers like seven, that's per 100,000 of the population. Speaker 21 — Deanna McLeod
3:57:09 Yes, thank you. 3:57:10 Seven per 100,000 per month. 3:57:12 So if you add that to a year, that would be many more. 3:57:16 On the right hand side, you have health seeking behavior, accessing health hospital care. 3:57:22 So they don't do it on a per patient basis for that. 3:57:25 So the hospital care would be 3:57:29 You know, there's an event at the hospital and it's either going up or down. 3:57:33 So you can see for Bell's palsy in the hospital, there's a trend towards increased need. 3:57:39 But then with 2020 and 2021, you see an increase, especially in 2021, and that represents a 4% increase. 3:57:47 So one is community care. 3:57:49 The other one is hospital care. 3:57:50 So you have to kind of look at both of those if you want to understand the trends. 3:57:54 So pulmonary embolisms, there's been lots of talks about clotting over the inquiry. 3:57:59 And so you can see here on the left-hand side, when you're looking at community care, you've got a trend going up and the lines don't necessarily align very well, except for maybe whenever the vaccine was rolled out initially. 3:58:12 But if you look at the hospital care, you can actually see that there's a 13% increase in pulmonary embolisms. 3:58:18 So those are fatal clots or could be potentially fatal clots potentially. 3:58:22 going to the lungs. 3:58:23 So pulmonary embolism, that's an increase of 13%. 3:58:26 It's well above the boundary of something that would be due to chance. 3:58:30 So if you were somebody who would be wanting to know what the actual rate of side effects were for an mRNA product, there's a lot of talk about kefas, which is the passive surveillance system in Canada, but this is much more reliable data because you can't skew this. 3:58:46 This is people actually looking for care for these actual conditions. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:58:52 And I had to stop because we get witness after witness saying they couldn't get care. 3:58:56 So this is actual data for witnesses who got care. Speaker 21 — Deanna McLeod
3:58:59 Yeah. 3:59:00 So when I'm saying care, that's like health seeking behavior. 3:59:03 I have a problem. 3:59:05 The doctor comes in, sees them, and then they have to bill for that interaction. 3:59:09 And so what they bill is it's pulmonary embolism or I'm billing for Bell's palsy. 3:59:13 So this is a qualified medical professional making a diagnosis and assigning a diagnostic code. 3:59:20 So it's unlikely. 3:59:22 I mean, maybe some people won't bill or maybe they bill incorrectly, but 3:59:26 those billing inconsistencies would be consistent over time. 3:59:30 It's not like they would change during COVID. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
3:59:32 What I was getting, we have witnesses being sent away from ER without any diagnostic at all. 3:59:37 And it keeps repeating, but then later on they're diagnosed with these conditions. 3:59:43 So it's just, it's an interesting twist. Speaker 21 — Deanna McLeod
3:59:45 So this is hospital care data. 3:59:48 I'm going to keep going. Speaker 21 — Shawn Buckley
3:59:50 This is hospital care data for myocarditis. Speaker 21 — Deanna McLeod
3:59:51 There's various codes for myocarditis or hospital codes for myocarditis. 3:59:56 You can see on the right-hand side, this is annual numbers now. 4:00:02 It's fairly consistent, but then you have the mRNA product rollout. 4:00:05 You see this big jump. 4:00:06 It's above the boundaries for chance. 4:00:10 On the right-hand side is another code for myocarditis. 4:00:13 It's consistent again, mRNA rollout, big jump in 2021 and again in 2022. 4:00:19 These represent increases of 87% and 76%. 4:00:23 And so a lot of the talking points that we've heard have been that myocarditis is rare and transient. 4:00:30 I would probably argue that the data for 16 million people in Ontario would say something other than that. 4:00:38 I just like to go through, this is just a timeline of the data that came out at various time points for myocarditis. 4:00:46 So this was one of the side effects that was attributed to the vaccine. 4:00:50 So on the far left-hand side, you can see that that's kind of time zero. 4:00:56 And that's whenever the mRNA product was rolled out. 4:00:58 And it was rolled out based on level one evidence, which is a randomized controlled trial. 4:01:04 But only two months of level one evidence. 4:01:06 It was a fairly large study. 4:01:07 But it's very difficult to understand within two months if something could be harmful to the heart or not. 4:01:14 A little bit longer. 4:01:15 So each of those bands afterwards are six-month intervals. 4:01:18 So a little further along, you get the six-month follow-up data for the randomized controlled trial, specifically for Pfizer. 4:01:24 And in that trial, which came out, you know, in September 2021, you have this, if you actually looked and analyzed the deaths, you have nine cardiovascular deaths in the mRNA product arm and five cardiovascular deaths in the placebo arm. 4:01:41 So what that tells you, and this was a population of healthy individuals, so there was a signal as early as six months after rollout. 4:01:50 But I'm just going to pause right now because I'd just like to explain something about the regulatory framework. 4:01:57 So on a normal regulatory framework and standard practice, a pharmaceutical company would have to prove 4:02:03 that a product was safe before it accessed the market. 4:02:07 So you prove safety and you do that through rigorous testing. 4:02:11 The testing would include clinical examinations. 4:02:13 It would include lab work. 4:02:15 You'd look for biomarkers. 4:02:17 You do an extensive testing. 4:02:19 It would take years to complete that trial. 4:02:21 And then at the end of the trial, you would look at the results and you would be able to say, is it safe or is it not? 4:02:26 And does it meet the standards for regulatory approval? 4:02:30 However, during the pandemic, 4:02:31 Because this was a public health crisis, a new emergency framework was put in place and they were able to conduct approvals based on what they call rolling reviews. 4:02:42 And a rolling review basically means that you get to take sneak peeks at the trial. 4:02:47 And if there's an early sign of benefit, then you actually get to approve the product based on that early data. 4:02:52 So these products were approved based on two months of data. 4:02:56 And if you were to actually consider how carefully they were looking at them, they were basically the patients had a phone app and they would basically say, did you get this? 4:03:03 Did you get that? 4:03:04 Did you not get that? 4:03:06 Little clinical examination, no lab marker, no lab reviews. 4:03:12 It's not a standard clinical trial. 4:03:14 All of that to say is that the six months we see that there's some trouble. 4:03:18 They're relying on post-marketing on pharmacovigilance data. 4:03:22 There was a report three months later from Pfizer, and it basically highlighted that there were serious cardiovascular deaths worldwide, 1,403 cases, and 135 deaths after the rollout. 4:03:36 That's within three months. 4:03:37 So we approve it at two months. 4:03:40 At three months, there's this report from Pfizer. 4:03:43 They had to hire new staff because there were so many side effect reports from the vaccine rollout. 4:03:50 The six-month data comes out. 4:03:52 Still, there's not a lot. 4:03:54 The Israeli study, which is a matched cohort study, which is fairly reliable in terms of, you know, maybe moving the needle in terms of 4:04:01 people acknowledging a side effect. 4:04:04 And then Ontario Public Health comes out and says, oh, myocarditis, there's an alert. 4:04:09 So we're concerned with the Israeli study because there was more people getting myocarditis with the Moderna than the Pfizer. 4:04:16 It's not like don't take it or let's start risk profiling people, which is what you should be doing. 4:04:23 It was take the Pfizer and not the Moderna and you still can't get an exemption for your vaccine. 4:04:28 Sorry, don't go to school. 4:04:30 Don't go to your job or whatever it was. 4:04:33 So this is abnormal clinical practice. 4:04:36 I've never seen this before. 4:04:37 We don't do this in cancer. 4:04:39 A little bit further along, Dr. Davidson mentioned the Nordic matched cohort study. 4:04:44 It was a very reliable study, fairly well structured, 23 million people. 4:04:49 They only looked for 28 days after. 4:04:51 So this is a very short timeframe right after the mRNA product rollout. 4:04:56 And they basically said, okay, 4:04:59 there's a real risk in young people. 4:05:00 So I just want to say, by the time they were able to get a properly designed study, it was two and a half years later. 4:05:08 So what this means is that the product was put on the market, people were harmed for two and a half years because we were negligent in doing our safety testing prior to rollout, and then we acknowledged the harm. 4:05:22 So this whole idea of rushing a product to market for the good of the people is ridiculous because what we're actually doing when we do rush a product is we monitor not safety, but harm. 4:05:34 And the people who witnessed today are the people who've been harmed by this negligent regulatory practice, which needs to stop. 4:05:43 So I'm just gonna zip to another set of slides. 4:05:47 And these are ones that we've presented in Washington at the President's Council Panel in June, 2021. 4:05:54 And so on the right-hand side, on the left-hand side, sorry, 4:05:59 You have on the upper panel, you have breast cancer, and that's greater than 50 years old, and then breast cancer less than 50 years old. 4:06:08 And again, we have a trend for an increase in breast cancer. 4:06:11 You've got your great confidence intervals. 4:06:14 And then the yellow band is the rollout of the MMA product in 2021. 4:06:19 And almost immediately following the rollout, you see that those blue dots start to increase above the gray band. 4:06:26 And what that means is that there's more health-seeking behavior for breast cancer now from women older than 50, which is when you expect it. 4:06:34 But tragically, on the right-hand panel, you have incredibly elevated health-seeking behavior for breast cancer in younger women less than 50 years old, well beyond the confidence intervals. 4:06:50 So if you look at uterine cancer, that's the panel below that. 4:06:55 You have greater than 50, again, off the charts out of the regular confidence intervals. 4:07:01 On the right-hand side, less than 50, again, right off the charts. 4:07:05 So I just want to stress that in our exuberance to get a product available for COVID, which was an incredible threat, we classified this mRNA product as a vaccine. 4:07:21 and we did the safety testing for a vaccine, even though the actual mode of action was gene therapy. 4:07:30 So a gene therapy which is an mRNA product would be what this would be technically classified for in terms of how it works in your body. 4:07:38 But the regulatory classification was as a vaccine because it was intended to stimulate immunity or prevent infection. 4:07:46 So they actually did this switcheroo and called it a vaccine because of the intention to treat and that's never been done. 4:07:53 And the safety testing therefore was very much lower 4:07:56 because they considered it a vaccine rather than gene therapy. 4:07:59 I know I got to go fast. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:08:01 Well, you've got about a minute. 4:08:03 Okay. Speaker 21 — Deanna McLeod
4:08:04 So this is cancer registry data. 4:08:06 So when you look at healthcare seeking behavior, you think, okay, what is this? 4:08:10 Is this new cancers? 4:08:12 Is it people whose cancer progressed because we did lockdowns and shut down cancer care? 4:08:18 What are we actually looking at? 4:08:19 And this is SEER data. 4:08:20 SEER data is cancer registry data. 4:08:22 It's the most reliable population level data that you can look to. 4:08:26 This is SEER data in women less than 50 years. 4:08:30 And this is women presenting with metastatic cancer. 4:08:34 So breast cancer, cervical cancer, uterine cancer, ovarian cancer. 4:08:38 And the yellow band is the COVID period. 4:08:42 It's by year. 4:08:44 And what you can see over the COVID period, not always beginning in 2021, but in around there, you see this uptick. 4:08:52 So there's always a trend upwards, but you see an extra increase in women with metastatic cancer. 4:08:59 breast cancer, ovarian cancer, cervical cancer at presentation, meaning that for some reason this cancer is growing very fast. 4:09:08 This is data that represents half of the U.S. population. 4:09:12 It's cancer registry data, which means that it's been validated and confirmed as such. 4:09:17 So I just want to, please give me a little bit of time. 4:09:21 I want to explain how this happened because it needs to stop. 4:09:30 So the way that this happens is who recommended, who recommends surveillance? 4:09:37 As an international health regulation member, we have signed on to collaborate with the World Health Organization in doing surveillance. 4:09:44 They recommend a PCR test. 4:09:46 The PCR test is unreliable, and I'm going to show you why it's unreliable right now. 4:09:51 So at the very beginning in wave one, 4:09:54 You have hospital capacity and ICU capacity, which left-hand side is peak inpatient ICU capacity. 4:10:03 They predicted or they do their projections or their modeling based on information from China. 4:10:08 So the World Health Organization conveys that there's a crisis in China 4:10:13 The hospitals basically say we're going to be in trouble. 4:10:15 We have to actually get some hospital capacity here. 4:10:18 The red is what they projected based on the numbers from China. 4:10:22 The blue is what they actually used. 4:10:25 So we weren't in a health crisis because if we were in a health crisis, all that and if that data from China were correct, that would be blue all the way up. 4:10:33 But it's not. 4:10:34 This is empty hospitals and empty health care units. 4:10:38 This is an affidavit from Deborah Gordon, who is 4:10:43 the vice president of Alberta Health Services. 4:10:48 And the reason I wondered why on earth could they get it that wrong? 4:10:51 And you know why they got it that wrong is because they needed those accentuated numbers to trigger public health policy right across the province. 4:10:59 And once public health policy was triggered, then the chief medical officer of health became the quarterback for the pandemic response. 4:11:09 And 4:11:10 This is the order number 16, 2020, which basically the public chief medical officer of health basically sent to the regulators to tell all of the doctors in Alberta to come in line. 4:11:25 And this basically says, 4:11:27 I'm sending this to you that you have to come in line with me and my public or the COVID-19 policy. 4:11:33 And I have the authority to take whatever other steps that are, in my opinion, necessary in order to lessen the impact of public health emergencies. 4:11:42 So once that impact, once those public health orders or acts were triggered, the Quarantine Act at the federal level and each of the public health emergency acts at each of the different provinces are named different things. 4:11:57 This one person was able to direct every single health care worker in all of the provinces, and they were able to do whatever the heck they wanted. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:12:09 And Deanna, I have to, I'm sorry. Speaker 21 — Deanna McLeod
4:12:11 And I'm done. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:12:12 Okay, good, good, good. 4:12:14 So we stretched that out. 4:12:16 We're very thankful that you came back. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
4:12:20 Okay, we're now going to suspend for lunch, and as we have done, 4:12:24 We'll be reading out the names of the over 1400 people that applied to be here, were unable to do it. 4:12:32 And so if you decide to stay by all means do, but if you're gonna leave, if we could do that quietly as we do that, and then we will resume after lunch at 1.15. Speaker 22 — Deanna McLeod
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Smith, Deborah Pretty, Ellen Nguyen, Sarah Parker Berube, Laurie McRae Leach, Katherine Boot, Kamala Fares, Kathleen Gail Smith-Armineau, Pierre Balfour, Brian Prince, Darlene Villeneuve, Jennifer Morse, William Boll, 4:24:46 Olzem Tassar. 4:24:48 Samantha Joti. 4:24:51 Lawrence Nita. 4:24:53 Farhanoush Khadivi. 4:24:57 Brenda McKay. 4:24:59 Boucher Bridget. 4:25:02 Thomas C. Acheson. 4:25:05 Emilia Cefaloni. 4:25:07 Caroline Klaus. 4:25:10 Michelle Nelson. 4:25:12 Leanne LePont. 4:25:14 April Hawks, Michael McNair, Elizabeth Armitage, Claudia Cyr, Nelson Thompson, James Cormier, Melissa Ann Rose, Celestini Ezzoni, Kim Rizzer, Ernest Van Boom, Cecile R. Mercer, Andrea Fuller, 4:25:45 Natalie Merkley, Lucy, Trevor, Orest Tatarin, Jamie Doyle, Nigeri Rees, Jennifer Stan, Sandra Scherver, Joseph Orazem, Tiffany Neary, David Knight, Tracy Harrison, Cora Woodman, Gary, 4:26:16 Cynthia Shanahan, Alison Nesdoli, Carla Barton, Erin Horkhale, Sandra Feenly, Kimberly Harkness, John Joseph Sheeney, Susan Cameron, Tracy Cliff, Galini Rubina, Travis Faulkner, Jennifer Armitage, Sheila Morris, 4:26:46 Paula Lockson, Dee Garrett, Georgia Toulouse, Cassandra, James Daryl McLean, Rhonda Urquhart, Nicholas DelBasic, Dr. Tiff Annie Kenney, Greg Hilvers, Michelle Rushton, Amanda Wotenko, Twyla Manson, 4:27:15 Tobias Dean Shaver, Yan Goy, Barry Gregory, Roxanne Saint-Gelais, Maria Camden, Michael Cornell, Francis E. Pelzowski, Phut, Bernard Thompson, Sandra Soudart, Jennifer Buchanan, Candice Caithlin, 4:27:44 Dr. Sheol Dalki. 4:27:47 Genevieve Goverow. 4:27:50 Thomas Cook. 4:27:52 Dania Louise Hudock. 4:27:55 Michael Joseph LeBlanc. 4:27:58 Olga Marie Morrow. 4:28:00 Christopher Grant Sutherland. 4:28:03 Mark Putmans. 4:28:05 John Giovanni Panossa. 4:28:09 Jen Hannigan. 4:28:11 Millie Zeeler. 4:28:13 Norman Imock, Karen Kilman, Rupa Simpson, Lynn McLean, Penelope Kerrigan, Sarah Keys, Kimberly Murray, Darlene Villeneuve, DJ Leslie, Eric Spreel, Teresa Shard, Miriam Leable, Holy Prolosky, 4:28:43 Deborah Anderson, Olivia Crowe, Shainan Dupuy, Rhonda Mascoulet, Matthew Cousins, Jody McLennan, Caroline Lachance, Lisa Ricutti, Tanya Collot, Caleb McLean, Deborah Anderson, Daniel McVicker, 4:29:12 Daniel Redhead, Janice Robinson, Brian Bailey, Carice Downey, Judith Wiser, Amanda Collin, Carmela Gelgar, Sandra Chevre, Deanne Penny, Kirk George Eric St. John, Magna Garcia, Miriam Aguilar, George Rokicis, 4:29:42 Kelly Sue Orbell, Janet Wilde, Gordon Dick, Tom Post, Tyler Strauss, Mickey Lee Smith, Deborah Malek, Grace Hubert, Joshua Polito, Warren Lepic, Teresa, Riley Sauer, Andrea Keever, Maureen Woodridge, 4:30:11 Daniel Negassi, Linda Lindy Lee-Villemi, Ron Neuchat, Patterson McClain, Kelvin Casper, Shania Kennedy, Carolyn Roy, Marie Laroque, Daniel Anna Sciorna, Sandra Lacerty, Julie Blodin, Natasha Raymond-Blue, 4:30:41 Sonia Landry, Matthew Overton, Patricia Tremblay, Renee Bossay, Gilbert Tremblay, Cindy Boven, Isabelle Zenner, Susan St. Laurent, Mario Lesperce, and finally, Madeline Corboul. 4:31:07 The silence is over. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
4:31:31 So thank you very much for being here today. 4:31:34 Over the past several years, Canadians experienced the pandemic in very different ways. 4:31:38 Many families lost loved ones to COVID-19. 4:31:42 We had many frontline health care workers and our first responders carried an enormous burden. 4:31:47 And I want to thank all our first responders and our frontline health care workers for all the work that you do every single day. 4:31:54 But there was also Canadians who suffered serious adverse events following vaccinations who feel their stories have not been adequately heard. 4:32:04 Every Canadian deserves to be treated with dignity, respect and compassion. 4:32:09 When people come forward, 4:32:11 With concerns about their health, our first response should never be dismissal. 4:32:15 It should be listening. 4:32:16 The individuals sharing their experiences through projects such as the Allison Inquiry are not statistics. 4:32:22 They're our mothers, our fathers, our sons, our daughters, our friends, and our neighbors. 4:32:27 Their experiences deserve to be documented, examined, and understood. 4:32:30 Good public policy depends upon public trust. 4:32:33 Trust is strengthened when governments and institutions are willing to ask difficult questions from the evidence wherever it leads and acknowledge when people have been harmed. 4:32:42 My position is simple. 4:32:44 Compassion for those who suffered from COVID-19 4:32:47 and compassion for those who were injured following the vaccination, and a commitment to transparency, accountability, and giving people a chance to share their stories and to be heard. 4:32:58 Canadians should never be afraid to tell their stories, and government should never be afraid to listen. 4:33:03 Today, I want to highlight two reasons why these stories matter and why Canada needs a more thorough examination of its pandemic response. 4:33:10 First, we can't ignore the experience of Canadians who were injured following the vaccination. 4:33:15 The government recognizes this. 4:33:17 Even the Liberals recognize this. 4:33:19 And federal reporting through the public health agency 4:33:22 has said that there's been over 58,000 adverse events reported in Canada, including more than 11,000 classified as serious. 4:33:30 The Federal Vaccine Injury Support Program had received more than 3,500 claims. 4:33:36 More than 3,000 of those claims were deemed admissible for review, and so the government acknowledged that people have been injured, and yet only over 250 people have been compensated. 4:33:48 Those numbers alone tell the story on just how slow and unfair the process has been. 4:33:53 Many individuals tell us they have struggled to be heard, struggled to navigate the system, and struggled to obtain answers. 4:34:00 There are legitimate questions about whether the support program is delivering the assistance efficiently. 4:34:05 According to the report by the Globe and Mail last year, more than $54 million was provided to Oxaero, the company administering the vaccine injury support program, with more than $36 million being spent on administration. 4:34:18 That's two-thirds spent on administration, while only a fraction of the claims have resulted in compensation. 4:34:24 Whether one supports or opposes government pandemic policies, I believe Canadians agree on one principle. 4:34:30 If people have been harmed, they deserve compensation, support, transparency, and a timely assistance. 4:34:35 Second, Canada has increasingly become an outlier among democratic nations when it comes to reviewing what happened during the pandemic. 4:34:42 More than 30 democratic countries have launched significant COVID inquiries, including public commissions, parliamentary investigations, and independent national reviews. 4:34:52 These include countries such as the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, Norway, Italy, France, the United States. 4:34:57 Many G7 countries and many Commonwealth countries have recognized an event of this magnitude deserves careful examination. 4:35:04 These reviews have looked at government decision-making, lockdowns, mandates, policies, vaccine policies, economic impacts, public health preparedness, and civil liberties concerns. 4:35:15 They have not undertaken these inquiries because they all had the answers. 4:35:19 They undertook them... 4:35:20 because their citizens deserve answers. 4:35:23 Yet here in Canada, one of the most significant events in modern national history has never been examined through a comprehensive national public inquiry with the level of transparency and independence that many Canadians believe is necessary. 4:35:37 That said... 4:35:38 We're not proposing a national inquiry today. 4:35:41 What we are proposing is something more immediate and accessible, an opportunity for Canadians to share their experiences, tell their stories, and ensure that their voices are heard. 4:35:52 As I've traveled across the country, and as my colleagues have traveled across the country, we have heard countless stories from Canadians. 4:36:00 People have come to my office. 4:36:01 People have written letters. 4:36:02 They've sent emails. 4:36:04 Some lost loved ones to COVID-19. 4:36:07 Some people lost businesses. 4:36:08 Some struggle with isolation and mental health challenges. 4:36:12 Others experience severe adverse reactions following the vaccination. 4:36:16 What they all have in common is a desire to be heard. 4:36:20 That is why this conversation matters. 4:36:23 This is not about relegating every decision or relitigating, sorry, every decision that was made during an unprecedented crisis. 4:36:30 This is not about assigning blame. 4:36:32 It's about learning. 4:36:33 It's about listening. 4:36:34 It's about ensuring that when the next public health emergency arrives, Canada is better prepared because we have the courage to examine what happened honestly and openly. 4:36:45 Canadians deserve transparency. 4:36:47 Canadians deserve accountability. 4:36:50 And above all... 4:36:51 Canadians deserve to know that their experiences matter. 4:36:54 The stories that we will hear in September are a reminder that behind every statistic is an actual human being. 4:37:01 Their voices deserve to be heard. 4:37:04 Many have suffered in silence, and their country should be willing to listen. 4:37:08 My call to action is if you've been injured or someone you know has been injured, we'd love to hear your stories. 4:37:15 I'd ask you to go to allisoninquiry.com and fill out the forms, and then hopefully we can get a chance to hear your stories. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:37:29 My name is Shawn Buckley, and I'm a lawyer that is volunteering. 4:37:34 with the COVID Testimony Association, which is a not-for-profit that was set up to help manage this inquiry. 4:37:44 This inquiry is meant to be a non-partisan inquiry. 4:37:48 If it was set up by the Conservative Party or the Liberal Party or the NDP or the Bloc, 4:37:54 it would be difficult for other MPs to participate. 4:37:58 So this is rather unique. 4:38:00 The COVID Testimony Association is citizen-run. 4:38:04 It's a volunteer organization. 4:38:06 So I will be participating, Teresa here, who will be speaking next, are participating as volunteers to partner with MPs so that MPs from all stripes of all parties feel free to come and listen to Canadians because that's all that's happening here. 4:38:24 And the motivation is quite something. 4:38:28 I was involved in another citizen inquiry, the National Citizen Inquiry, which is in 2003, listened to vaccine injured persons. 4:38:40 And I remember there was a volunteer named Christine, and she was getting quite involved. 4:38:46 And I asked her, I said, Christine, why are you helping? 4:38:49 Why are you volunteering? 4:38:50 And 4:38:53 Her body language, she just froze. 4:38:54 She got this pain looked in her face and she just froze. 4:38:57 And I knew that she was volunteering because somebody close to her had been injured by COVID-19 vaccine. 4:39:05 I was now just waiting to hear who it was. 4:39:08 And she explained that her husband died after taking the shot. 4:39:12 Her best friend died after taking the shot. 4:39:14 And a teenage son of another very good friend died after taking the shot. 4:39:20 We've all had this type of experience. 4:39:23 For me, early on, once we started this down this road, it was in my neighborhood, myocarditis. 4:39:31 So the teenager that did my yard work couldn't do my yard work anymore because of myocarditis. 4:39:38 A neighbor a couple doors down in early 30s, myocarditis. 4:39:42 Another neighbor down the block, severely bedridden and sick for a long period of time. 4:39:48 And now it just seems I'm surrounded by people that are getting cancer. 4:39:53 In fact, one of the persons that I'm hoping will help in a very significant way with this inquiry, I'm hoping that will be far enough down the cancer journey to be able to participate. 4:40:04 And everyone I speak to, we all have this experience, are aware of people. 4:40:10 And so this is something that we need to address. 4:40:13 Now, what's interesting is... 4:40:17 Even in arriving here today to do this press conference, I've learned that this is a topic that almost seems to be forbidden. 4:40:28 You know, MP Dean Allison last year indicated, you know, I'd like to actually just listen to Canadians sharing their stories in a more formal way. 4:40:41 Every MP is having this experience in an informal way 4:40:46 where Canadians are coming to them and wanting to talk about vaccine entry. 4:40:50 And we spoke to several MPs and it's interesting, they'd ask questions like, is it okay? 4:40:55 Am I going to get into trouble? 4:40:57 How is Parliament going to react? 4:40:58 How are parties going to react? 4:41:00 That there seems to be a fear in actually having people come and formally share their stories before a panel of MPs and Senators are also invited to participate. 4:41:14 And it it's kind of got me thinking we've gone through this experience where decisions were made to try and get as many people vaccinated as possible and this inquiry is not here to question any of that at all but there was pressure and we experienced that pressure but that pressure is no longer here. 4:41:34 We should be free to to speak now and I I wonder if what's happened is as we've internalized that pressure that was there before 4:41:43 And now we need something to give us permission to speak again. 4:41:49 So it's certainly, I've learned that our lawmakers need permission to speak again. 4:41:55 And I anticipate that the MPs and Senators that participate in this inquiry, which is just to listen to ordinary Canadians sharing their journey, 4:42:09 that it's going to be something that will be freeing for all of us. 4:42:12 Again, this is non-partisan. 4:42:15 This is just to create an opportunity for Canadians to share their stories. 4:42:21 The Allison Inquiry is not to make any findings. 4:42:25 It's not here to grind an axe. 4:42:28 It's so that our elected representatives and our appointed senators have an opportunity 4:42:34 to listen to you Canadians and you know as as MP Dean Allison spoke earlier in this press conference I mean there are numbers we know that a lot of us have been injured by the COVID-19 vaccines and it just raises the question can we not accept that we're here today that many of us are injured 4:42:58 And we need to hear their stories and we need to privilege them. 4:43:02 You know, when we were doing the National Citizens Inquiry, there were a couple of themes that came out that are troubling, but they need to be addressed and they need to be spoken about. 4:43:12 And one was, is people that were vaccine-insured really felt like they had taken one for the team. 4:43:18 And I think we need to understand and appreciate that a large number of Canadians were volunteering 4:43:27 to take the COVID-19 vaccine to protect the rest of us. 4:43:32 So they were doing something to protect us and now that they're injured we have a responsibility A to recognize that they were injured to listen to their stories but we also have a tremendous responsibility to care for them. 4:43:48 Another thing that they shared, so, you know, first, you know, they were doing this to protect others. 4:43:54 They were taking one for the team. 4:43:57 But their experience, many of them, their experience with the medical community was is that there was a reluctance. 4:44:03 to accept that they were actually injured by the vaccine. 4:44:08 Some of them even described what most of us would describe as gaslighting, like there's almost this refusal in the medical system to accept that they were vaccine injured. 4:44:20 Now, we're all the same. 4:44:23 It doesn't matter whether we're just common citizens, whether we're 4:44:26 elected members of parliament, whether we're health care providers, we all had this experience where there was pressure on us not to question. 4:44:37 And it's reasonable to assume that the medical community is also internalized 4:44:42 that pressure because they're there to help us. 4:44:45 And they're under tremendous strain. 4:44:48 And we're hoping that having ordinary Canadians sharing their stories at the Allison Inquiry will also assist the medical community in giving them permission to speak. 4:44:59 Because here's the ethical problem that we have. 4:45:02 And, you know, we basically have a commandment to love each other like we love ourselves. 4:45:10 And when it comes to, here we are in 2026, when it comes to those of us that have been injured by the vaccine, love includes listening to their stories. 4:45:20 giving them a safe place for them to understand that, you know, they haven't lost their mind. 4:45:27 They're not alone. 4:45:28 We are going to listen to them. 4:45:30 But loving them also includes then those that are vaccine injured, acknowledging that they're vaccine injured so that they can be treated properly. 4:45:40 not, oh, it's something else, because there are protocols, there are treatments, and we do a disservice by not having this conversation, by not focusing our care on those who have taken one for the team. 4:45:52 We do them a disservice by not having this conversation. 4:45:57 So we view this as a real opportunity. 4:46:00 This is just an opportunity for Canadians to come together, to share their stories, 4:46:07 in an open, non-partisan environment. 4:46:12 And so we are inviting all Canadians, we're inviting those that are vaccine-injured to apply to become witnesses. 4:46:20 So you can go to allisoninquiry.com. 4:46:22 You can also go to covidtestimony.com. 4:46:25 You will find us. 4:46:27 Apply. 4:46:29 to be a witness. 4:46:30 If you know somebody who's injured, encourage them to apply to be a witness. 4:46:35 We're calling on all members of Parliament and Senators to contact Dean Allison and apply to participate 4:46:45 in this inquiry. 4:46:46 It will change you. 4:46:48 You're already listening and thank you. 4:46:50 You're already listening to the stories of Canadians who are vaccine injured. 4:46:55 We know you're listening. 4:46:56 This gives you another forum to do it in a more formal way. 4:47:01 We're inviting you to join us. 4:47:03 We're inviting the public 4:47:06 We're inviting the public to participate in this. 4:47:10 You know, for the vaccine injured that want to have a voice, that want to share their stories, that want to be heard and acknowledged, it's meaningful if there are people that listen. 4:47:22 And so we're inviting you. 4:47:24 The Allison Inquiry is going to be heard on September 8th. 4:47:28 9th, 10th and 11th from a committee room on Parliament Hill. 4:47:32 It will be broadcast live and we're inviting all of Canadians to participate in what we anticipate is going to be a healing journey for the nation and a beginning for us to be free to basically have a conversation about something that we need to have a conversation about, not in a judging way, but just listening to each other's stories so that together we can decide how to best move forward. Speaker 23 — Teresa Buckley
4:48:05 Hello, my name is Teresa Buckley, and I'm a volunteer. 4:48:10 And I just want to share with you just a little story about my daughter-in-law and when I spoke with her about what it was that Sean and I were doing with MP Dean Allison. 4:48:24 I told her about a yoga instructor that I had. 4:48:28 Her name was Drew Taylor. 4:48:30 She testified at the National Citizens Inquiry as well. 4:48:34 Drew Taylor was a power yoga instructor. 4:48:37 She was the strongest woman I'd ever known. 4:48:40 She could just, she could do amazing things. 4:48:44 She was so strong, mother of two, 32 years old, happily married. 4:48:51 She took one COVID-19 vaccine and within an hour, she was in the hospital and she remained there for quite a while. 4:49:02 She finally started to get better. 4:49:04 And she was released. 4:49:07 And for her reasons, she got a second shot. 4:49:14 The details behind that are her story. 4:49:16 They're not mine. 4:49:18 I'm just here to share with you that after she got her second shot, she now needs a walker. 4:49:27 She has POTS. 4:49:30 And she faints about 30 times a day. 4:49:35 I think it's time that Canadians listen. 4:49:38 I think it's time for people like Drew Taylor have a voice, and I think they need to be heard. 4:49:46 When I was sharing this with my daughter-in-law, I told her about Drew's story, and what my daughter-in-law told me was, I just don't understand why no one's talking about it. 4:50:02 Why is everyone quiet? 4:50:06 Why is everyone silent? 4:50:15 It's kind of hard to sit in that silence. 4:50:19 So today we're not going to do that anymore. 4:50:23 It's time. 4:50:24 Canadians are suffering from sea to sea. 4:50:28 And it's time to hear from them. 4:50:30 So I just want to thank you. 4:50:32 Thank you, Dean, for being courageous. 4:50:36 and courage is infectious, please go to our website, allisoninquiry.com, sign up to be a witness, and we look forward to listening to you. 4:50:49 The time is now. 4:50:51 Thank you. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:52:18 So if there's any questions, we'll now take questions. 4:52:20 Good morning, Dean. Speaker 24 — Shawn Buckley
4:52:22 You've been a backbencher for a little while now. Speaker 24 — Toni Lannigan
4:52:24 22 years. 4:52:26 Yes, exactly, since the Harper years. Speaker 24 — Shawn Buckley
4:52:29 In today's leadership, do you have Pierre Polyab's blessing to be doing this? Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
4:52:34 Oh, absolutely. 4:52:35 I've talked to Pierre about this. 4:52:36 I've talked to caucus about it. 4:52:38 You know, the amazing thing is, is that every single member of parliament, and I haven't, I have talked to some liberals, has heard these same stories. 4:52:46 So I think if you ask Pierre, he would tell you that he's out and about working very hard. 4:52:53 And I know that he hears these stories all the time. 4:52:56 So absolutely, I think this is something that at the end of the day, all 4:53:00 All MPs here in their offices or when they're out and about. 4:53:03 So absolutely. Speaker 24 — Toni Lannigan
4:53:05 Question for Sean. Speaker 24 — Shawn Buckley
4:53:06 You mentioned that this inquiry and the project you're hosting is going to be non-partisan in nature, and while you may have an argument there on the people that will be engaging you, but at the political level, we're looking for a response from Parliament Hill. 4:53:19 Can you imagine that there's any opportunity to cross partisan affiliate, given the fact that the Conservative caucus was the only one that had MPs who weren't vaccinated in the lead-up and conclusion of the 2021 election? Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:53:32 Well, you know, I think that... 4:53:34 You know, there was a division before on vaccinated and unvaccinated, but I think we need to transcend that now because the reality is we all had actually a very similar experience. 4:53:47 We just believe different things. 4:53:48 And, you know, I will be generalizing now, but I think we have to understand that people are people and we act the same. 4:53:57 And so, you know, just to... Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
4:53:59 Welcome back to day four in the afternoon as we... 4:54:04 finish up with our final session. 4:54:05 And I want to turn it over to my colleague. 4:54:08 Before I do, Toni, I just want to welcome you and thank you for taking the time to be here. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
4:54:12 Thank you. 4:54:13 Appreciate it. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
4:54:14 Thanks. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:54:16 So our next witness is Toni Lannigan. 4:54:20 Toni, will you take the Bible in your right hand, please? 4:54:24 Toni Lannigan, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth to help you God? Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
4:54:31 Yes, I do. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:54:33 I'd like to introduce you to the inquiry. 4:54:37 But the first point I wanted to make is it's become clear reviewing your file that the doctors agree that what you're going to describe to us is vaccine injury. 4:54:48 And you can leave your mic on if you want. 4:54:51 It'll make it easier for you. Speaker 21 — Toni Lannigan
4:54:52 That's great. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:54:54 So you're 38 years of age, which means you were 33 when these events happened. Speaker 13 — Toni Lannigan
4:55:01 Mm-hmm. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:55:02 You have one daughter, Riley, who's here with you in support. 4:55:07 You're now a part-time educational assistant working with students with intellectual abilities, but you were a nurse for 10 years. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
4:55:16 Yes, I was a nurse assistant, yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:55:19 Right, in acute care and palliative care. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
4:55:21 Yep. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:55:22 And now you can't nurse. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
4:55:25 No, I cannot. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:55:27 Prior to the vaccination, you were very healthy. 4:55:30 Mm-hmm. 4:55:32 You did a lot of volunteering. 4:55:33 You coached soccer. 4:55:34 You were a social butterfly, and you worked 8 to 10-hour shifts on a full-time basis. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
4:55:39 Yep, yep, some 12-hour shifts as well, yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:55:42 And now that changed. 4:55:45 On March 26, 2021, you received a Pfizer shot. 4:55:52 Can you please tell us what happened? Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
4:55:53 Sure. Speaker 25 — Shawn Buckley
4:55:55 March 26, 2021, I was... Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
4:56:01 on shift. 4:56:03 I was not on, I wasn't on a break or a lunch. 4:56:09 I was on my time. 4:56:12 It was a rollout for the vaccines. 4:56:14 And because I was frontline, I was ready to have mine. 4:56:21 I walked down to a makeshift boardroom in my hospital to receive it. 4:56:31 And at 9 o'clock, I received it. 4:56:34 And at 9.05, my body denied it. 4:56:37 I went into anaphylactic response. 4:56:42 I was sitting there. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:56:43 And can I just slow you down? Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
4:56:46 Yeah, absolutely. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:56:48 You say anaphylactic shock. 4:56:49 And as a nurse, that means something to you. 4:56:52 But for the rest of us that speak the English language, they're not going to know. 4:56:57 Your blood pressure is rapidly dropping. 4:57:00 Your throat and your tongue are starting to swell. 4:57:03 You're having difficulty breathing and then you lose consciousness. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
4:57:07 Yeah. 4:57:09 So my first symptom was the roof of my mouth began to become itchy. 4:57:15 And my co-worker said, stand up. 4:57:19 We need to go to Emerge. 4:57:20 And I'm very lucky I didn't get this vaccine at a clinic because by the time I got over to eMERGE, I was only 10 or 12 feet away. 4:57:30 At that point, my blood pressure did drop and my heart rate. 4:57:36 I had not one f-difference shot, like an EpiPen. 4:57:41 I had three in total, not one, not two. 4:57:44 I had three, and none was helping the situation. 4:57:47 So they gave me an IV of it. 4:57:50 And that was continuous until they got me stable to transport me 45 minutes away to Charlottetown QEH Trauma Center. 4:58:02 In trauma center, I don't recall very much from my records. 4:58:07 I do remember reading that once they tried to wean me down off of the epi that I began to go back into a shock response. 4:58:20 And after that, I woke up in ICU, intensive care unit. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:58:28 You were there for several days, weren't you? Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
4:58:29 A couple of days, yeah. 4:58:30 And then I was released. 4:58:33 That sounds like it was a frightening day, but unfortunately, that was not the scary part of all of this. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:58:37 But let's back up because it was a frightening day. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
4:58:40 It was terrifying. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:58:41 So can you share with us kind of what's going on with how you're experiencing it and what emotions you were feeling? Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
4:58:49 Well, I'm... 4:58:50 when I was walking down the hallway, I was texting my daughter about like, you know, how proud and how much I loved her. 4:58:57 And, uh, you know, that could have been my last text to my child. 4:59:01 That's my pride and joy. 4:59:02 So, um, the fear was immense. 4:59:07 Um, it was, yeah. 4:59:09 Um, I did know what was going to happen. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:59:13 So just immediately. 4:59:14 So you're on shift. 4:59:16 You're actually on shift, but it's like, okay, you guys go, go get your shot. 4:59:20 We've got it set up here. 4:59:21 You're in the hospital. 4:59:22 Thank goodness. 4:59:23 And bang, like within minutes, your life's changed. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
4:59:26 Five minutes. 4:59:27 Five minutes is what I took. 4:59:28 Yeah, absolutely. 4:59:29 And, you know, not, yeah, not one, but three shots of epinephrine. 4:59:36 And then continuous. 4:59:37 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
4:59:37 So you're released from ICU after a few days. 4:59:40 Can you share with us what happened after that? Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
4:59:43 Yeah. 4:59:44 So I went home with absolutely no support. 4:59:46 No support. 4:59:47 I never had any follow-ups. 4:59:49 Nothing. 4:59:52 So I felt as a caretaker, my obligation was to go back to work. 4:59:57 Let's just brush this off. 4:59:59 Let's go back to work. 5:00:01 So I entered my first shift back. 5:00:04 I don't know how many days later. 5:00:06 And I was going to get a blood glucose at one of my patients. 5:00:11 And I remember looking down at the machine and I could see the machine. 5:00:16 It was, I could see the shape and I could see the color, couldn't read the numbers. 5:00:20 And at this point I realized my vision was impaired. 5:00:25 I went back down to the same emerge room that I was in and the same doctor was on call. 5:00:31 And from there, 11 months is how long my vision was impaired. 5:00:36 And to this day, my right eye is still impaired. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:00:40 And when you say impaired, I mean, it was literally too blurry to, Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:00:44 see i like i wouldn't so if i close my left eye right now um my right eye is blurred i cannot read my name and i can't see your face but that's what it was continuously for 11 months because i couldn't in both eyes in both eyes but then the one i cleared so with having that um my everyday life was turned upside down um i couldn't drive no more obviously you wouldn't want me behind the wheel and i uh 5:01:11 walking like my gate was completely off my balance. 5:01:14 You can ask my family, like, I don't know, can't count how many times I fell down my own stairs. 5:01:20 Right. 5:01:21 Um, I couldn't read no more. 5:01:23 Um, I went from my bed down to the couch and at three o'clock I put on a fake smile. 5:01:32 So that way my child had to try to have a normal life again. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:01:38 You also, um, 5:01:39 developed headaches. 5:01:40 Can you share about that with us? Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:01:42 I actually don't like the term headaches. 5:01:45 I call it pressure. 5:01:48 I have immense pressure in my brain and it forms around my right eye, my still affected eye. 5:01:57 I kind of just push through my days with this pressure. 5:02:01 It's now part of me. 5:02:04 I've never had any answers for it. 5:02:06 It's just there. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:02:09 So five years later, they don't know why you're feeling pressure. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:02:12 To be honest with you, I stopped going to doctors. 5:02:17 I stopped going. 5:02:19 I had one doctor say it was all in my head and turn around and give me Gabby Penton, pain meds, mental health meds. 5:02:27 You could see the amount of medication that I had. 5:02:30 Just as of recently, I took back my life, came off all my meds. 5:02:34 The only meds that helped me was Topamax. 5:02:38 That helped me get whatever site I have back today. 5:02:42 But I don't trust our system no more. 5:02:46 And I feel like a burden. 5:02:48 Even coming here today, I was like, maybe my story shouldn't be here. 5:02:56 So that's how everything made me feel. Speaker 25 — Shawn Buckley
5:03:00 I'm not supposed to be here. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:03:01 Okay. 5:03:01 I'd like to explore that a little bit. 5:03:03 And first of all, understand that we're very excited. Speaker 7 — Toni Lannigan
5:03:06 Mm-hmm. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:03:06 for you to share your story, which is why we asked you to come. Speaker 7 — Toni Lannigan
5:03:10 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:03:10 And, um, but it's intriguing that, that you've been mistreated by the medical system. 5:03:18 And can you share with us some examples just so that we can understand what you faced? Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:03:23 The main one was that I really sticks with me as him telling me that was all in my head. 5:03:28 Um, Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:03:31 Which visit was that? Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:03:32 Where were you in the... That was a doctor in Charlottetown that was medically looking into my eyes. 5:03:42 So there's that. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:03:44 So this is when you can't see out of both eyes? Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:03:47 Yes, this is both. 5:03:48 I left his practice that day and I never returned. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:03:52 Right. 5:03:52 But I'm just trying to understand. 5:03:54 So 5:03:55 You can't see. 5:03:56 You're basically now disabled. 5:03:59 You're functionally blind. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:04:02 Yeah, but no one would have said that. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:04:05 And you have an eye doctor telling you that it's all in your head. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:04:10 Yes, I did. 5:04:12 I had a psychiatrist that said, I don't know if it's appropriate to say, but said to me, like, shit happens, we move on. 5:04:26 diagnosed me with ptsd panic disorders but told me to move on and never talked to me about it like that was taboo we're not going to talk about that we're just going to talk about everything else except for the vaccine okay so i i didn't realize this this went into psychiatry also that they're not allowed to talk so you're diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder yes and panic disorders and a lot of Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:04:53 you are getting treatment by a psychiatrist that is being paid to basically address the mental difficulties that you're having. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:05:02 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:05:04 And I'm not addressing them at the same time, but you can't really talk about what is the most stressful part of your life. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
5:05:16 Which then actually makes it worse. Speaker 13 — Toni Lannigan
5:05:18 Sure does. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:05:21 Yeah. 5:05:22 Um, 5:05:23 So, yeah, there was that. 5:05:24 But then I was also trying, you know, I wasn't working, so I had to try with workers' comp. 5:05:33 It took me three years to go through that court procedure. 5:05:40 And the reason behind why I wasn't going to be compensated was because my employer did not expect me to get the vaccine. 5:05:48 I worked for Health PEI. 5:05:52 And I was, and the reason why I wasn't compensated was because they did not expect me to get it. 5:05:58 Would I have had a job if I said no? Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:06:03 Right. 5:06:03 Okay. 5:06:03 So they're playing the game. 5:06:04 So you have to, you're going to be sent home without pay if you don't get it, but because you could be sent home without pay, then you didn't need to get it. 5:06:14 So it's not a work requirement and therefore you don't get workers' compensation. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:06:20 Now, 5:06:21 On the flip side, I did win that case. 5:06:24 What did it get me? 5:06:26 Nothing. 5:06:27 I actually went back to school, like you said, found a new passion because I was really passionate working at the hospital. 5:06:34 So I found a new passion in working at the school system, advocating for people that can't advocate for themselves. 5:06:42 But so what did they do? 5:06:45 They gave me money to pay back my disability because disability cut me off. 5:06:51 disability wanted their money back. 5:06:53 So the money went to them. 5:06:55 But they made me tax that money. 5:06:57 So this year, I have no child tax support because I make too much money, but I never. 5:07:05 It was just money I had to pay back. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:07:07 And I just want to make sure I understand. 5:07:08 So you're getting disability insurance, but you don't have to pay tax on that. 5:07:12 Or did you have to pay tax on disability? Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:07:15 I did. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:07:16 Okay, so you're paying tax on that. 5:07:18 And then you get... 5:07:21 workers' compensation, but you have to pay that all back to the disability people. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:07:26 Yeah, yeah. 5:07:28 And so I have summers off. 5:07:31 That's a perk, I guess, working in school education. 5:07:35 But I have to go through EI in summers because we don't work there. 5:07:39 But, yeah, if I was still nursing or if I was still at the hospital, like, I'd still be making money. 5:07:45 I'd still be working, but they don't want to compensate that either. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:07:48 Right, okay. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:07:49 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:07:50 I want to go through some of your physical experience again. 5:07:54 My understanding is that you've developed really severe fatigue. 5:07:58 Can you talk to us about it, that and how it is today? Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:08:01 Yeah. 5:08:03 So in the beginning, like I said, I went from the bed to the couch. 5:08:09 I tried to live normally because my daughter is watching. 5:08:13 But, you know, that was really exhausting. 5:08:14 I was hard to my body ached. 5:08:16 My head was constantly with the pressure. 5:08:19 And I was fatigued. 5:08:20 I was always tired, always tired. 5:08:22 And today I still have a fatigue. 5:08:26 I fight it. 5:08:29 But it's still currently there. 5:08:30 I just. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:08:32 In fact, in an earlier interview, you shared with me that some days even showering might be a challenge. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:08:38 Yeah. 5:08:40 Yeah, absolutely. 5:08:41 But I know sometimes I relate that to the mental health aspect, too. 5:08:44 You know, like there's that and then. 5:08:49 just every day. 5:08:50 Yeah. 5:08:51 Like I, I can't, I had difficulties going out in public because we're scrutinized in the public. 5:09:00 You know, I was a taboo subject. 5:09:02 So going to the stores, the grocery shop, I was terrified. 5:09:05 Um, it took me a long time to go back by myself. 5:09:08 I still don't really go grocery shopping by myself. 5:09:10 I have my daughter, you know, I have my support and Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:09:15 So when you say it's taboo, you mean within your community because you're vaccine injured? Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:09:20 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:09:20 You're ostracized? Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:09:23 Yeah. 5:09:24 I had support. 5:09:25 Like, you know, there's some people that absolutely stood behind me in support, but no one wanted to talk about it. 5:09:30 It was like, well, we support her. 5:09:31 We have sympathy, but they didn't want to talk about it. Speaker 7 — Toni Lannigan
5:09:35 I lost friends. 5:09:37 I didn't. 5:09:39 Yeah. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
5:09:42 You're also effectively Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:09:44 affected cognitively. 5:09:46 Can you share with us about that? Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:09:48 Yeah, I have a hard time articulating myself. 5:09:51 I mean, I might sound okay right now. 5:09:53 Some days I have a lot of brain fog, so things don't come clearly to me. 5:10:00 My speech sometimes is completely off. 5:10:02 I'll stutter, I'll stammer. 5:10:04 I'll try to find a word. 5:10:05 I tried practicing a couple of words in the bathroom earlier because I'm like, oh, what if I can't say it? Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:10:12 And again, so I just want people to understand what you're saying. 5:10:15 So you've lost the ability sometimes to speak clearly. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:10:20 Completely. 5:10:21 Yeah. 5:10:21 And I never was like this before. 5:10:23 You can ask anybody. 5:10:24 I was a chatterbox, social. 5:10:26 I love being around people. 5:10:28 I can't go in crowds. 5:10:29 It was really hard to come here today. Speaker 11 — Toni Lannigan
5:10:32 Right. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:10:32 I walked in this building and I had a panic attack. 5:10:37 And so when I get worked up, it gets really tight around my chest. 5:10:42 And that's just like my anaphylaxis, like kind of like revolving for me. 5:10:46 It brings me back to that day. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:10:52 Well, again, you know, appreciate you coming. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:10:55 Yes, thank you. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:10:56 And this was important for you too, wasn't it? Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:10:59 Yes, it's very important. 5:11:01 Like I like, I want to advocate for people, but I never advocated for myself because it was hard. 5:11:07 But I want my daughter to see that, you know, no matter what, 5:11:11 You've got to speak up for yourself. 5:11:14 You've got to be heard. 5:11:15 And maybe after this week, maybe after this week we can be heard. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:11:25 Yeah, that's the goal. 5:11:28 I'll just have one more question for you, Michelle. 5:11:31 What would your message to Parliament be if all of Parliament was listening to you? Speaker 7 — Toni Lannigan
5:11:35 It doesn't have to be perfect. 5:11:39 Just do something. 5:11:42 Yep. 5:11:43 Don't abandon us. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
5:11:50 Toni, thank you so much for being here. 5:11:53 We really appreciate it. 5:11:54 And as a first-line responder, we appreciate what you've done. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:12:00 I love my community. 5:12:01 It's so important. 5:12:02 I loved it. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
5:12:03 Our nurses actually are the ones on the front lines. 5:12:07 Don't tell the doctor next to you that. 5:12:10 No, all kidding. 5:12:12 You know, you guys perform a great function. 5:12:14 And I understand as, you know, you feel like you put yourself out in the community, well-respected. 5:12:21 You know, people love what you do. 5:12:24 And now you're not able to do what you've always done. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:12:26 No. 5:12:28 Yeah, like my identity was that's what I was. 5:12:31 I was a good mom. 5:12:32 I was great in my community. 5:12:36 I lost that that day. 5:12:38 But I didn't let it take it. 5:12:40 You know, I didn't. 5:12:41 I was saying to some of the vaccine survivors here too, that I stopped letting it consume me. 5:12:48 So I'm back out there. 5:12:53 I found a passion and I'm working with youth that can't, you know, always advocate for themselves. 5:12:59 What a better way to be in your community and then do that. 5:13:03 So I love my job again. 5:13:04 I miss my old job. 5:13:06 I'd love to go back. 5:13:07 Like, you know, why didn't they ease me back into it? 5:13:10 There was nothing. 5:13:11 I lost my job. 5:13:13 I didn't leave my job. 5:13:14 Lost it. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
5:13:17 And now you, as we, what we're trying to do is give people permission to speak publicly about these injuries. 5:13:25 So we hope that not only all the people that are here, but everyone in this country, members of parliament, can start talking about this thing in a more public way, right? 5:13:35 Because there's no way 5:13:37 we can resolve any kind of resolution if we're not allowed to talk about these things, right? Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:13:42 Yes, exactly. 5:13:43 And I appreciate you for doing this. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
5:13:45 Well, we're going to keep talking about it. 5:13:47 We're not going to stop now. 5:13:50 I appreciate your daughter being here today. 5:13:53 Thanks so much. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:13:55 I appreciate it. 5:13:56 I needed it. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
5:13:56 No kidding. 5:13:57 But, you know, talk to me about the relationship with your family. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:14:01 Yeah, she's my best friend. 5:14:04 I just... 5:14:05 I'll say this, and this is vulnerable on me to say, but I wouldn't be here if I didn't have her. 5:14:09 I wouldn't have went through all this. 5:14:11 It would have been too hard. 5:14:12 So she's my reason. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
5:14:15 And it sounds like you've got a good support at home. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:14:17 I do. 5:14:19 I really do. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
5:14:21 That's awesome. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:14:22 Thank you. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
5:14:24 Well, Toni, thank you once again. 5:14:25 We really appreciate you taking the time to be here. 5:14:29 And like I said, you thought at times you didn't want to be here, but your testimony is so important. 5:14:34 And it's so important for everybody else to hear what you have to say. 5:14:38 So thank you so much. 5:14:39 Thank you. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:14:41 Can I just add one thing? 5:14:43 So here you are, you've had the anaphylactic shock, but that was just the beginning. 5:14:50 You're basically disabled. 5:14:52 And the public health officer of your province, Heather Morrison, says publicly that you recovered and we're okay. 5:15:00 Not naming you by name, but 5:15:03 Everyone knew they were talking about you. 5:15:05 No, no, she's fine. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:15:07 Yeah, there's an adverse reaction. 5:15:10 They talked about it, and they said that she's home, recovering, and fine. 5:15:14 Dr. Heather Morrison, I reached out to you. 5:15:17 Dennis King, I reached out to you. 5:15:19 I wasn't fine, and you never responded back to me. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:15:23 And they never corrected the lie, the public lie. Speaker 25 — Toni Lannigan
5:15:27 No. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:15:29 Thank you. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
5:15:29 It's just been a pleasure having you here. Speaker 7 — MP Dean Allison
5:15:31 Thank you so much. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
5:15:38 Our next witness is Dr. Peter McCullough. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:15:43 Peter, if you'll take the Bible in your right hand. 5:15:49 Dr. Peter McCullough, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 5:15:56 By way of introduction to the inquiry, Dr. McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, a pediatrician, 5:16:06 epidemiologist, sorry, I'm butchering that, holding degrees from Baylor University, University of Texas Southwestern Medical School, University of Michigan, and Southern Methodist University. 5:16:20 Dr. McCullough has broadly published on a range of topics in medicine with over 1,000 publications and over 700 citations in the National Library of Medicine at 5:16:35 Dr. McCullough, I expect that there are few individuals on earth that have published as much peer-reviewed research as you have. 5:16:43 Dr. McCullough is a well-known public figure in medicine and is a frequent contributor on numerous mainstream and independent media platforms. 5:16:52 He has testified multiple times in the U.S. Senate, U.S. House of Representatives, European Parliament, and many state capitals concerning public health policy, 5:17:03 He practices internal medicine and cardiologists in Dallas, Texas. 5:17:09 And Dr. McCullough, we are pleased that you can add to that resume that you've testified in the parliamentary committee in Ottawa in Canada. 5:17:17 Now, you're here to testify on issues surrounding the COVID-19 vaccines, and I understand that you've prepared a presentation to help us understand this. Speaker 26 — Dr. Peter McCullough
5:17:27 Mr. Chairman Allison and Mr. Buckley, members of Parliament, members of the press, members of the Canadian citizenry, it's a pleasure to present today on Pandemic Lessons Learned, COVID-19 Vaccine Injuries and a Path Forward. 5:17:46 As introduced, I'm Dr. Peter McCullough, and I'm in practice. 5:17:49 I see and examine patients every day. 5:17:51 I do research. 5:17:54 I have been involved firsthand in the pandemic from the very beginning, before the vaccines arrived on the market. 5:18:02 I have over 100 peer-reviewed manuscripts on the pandemic and on vaccine safety. 5:18:08 And I have medical authority to say what I'm about to say today. 5:18:13 I'm going to follow this outline. 5:18:15 and make some comments along these points, which I think will be very important. 5:18:20 And it'll bring into light what is going on in this large number of vaccine injured individuals who have come forward bravely and disclosed what's happened to them since COVID-19 vaccination. 5:18:36 What many didn't know is that there is an entire business of pandemic planning 5:18:44 and preparedness that involves global vaccination. 5:18:49 This is a slide from the World Health Organization in September 2019, three months before the outbreak was announced. 5:18:58 A whole array of diseases. 5:19:00 You can see the leaders of the board there, including Jeremy Farrar, who's the current 5:19:05 the chief scientific officer of the WHO, Anthony Fauci, former NIAID director and senior White House coronavirus advisor. 5:19:13 This is in 2019. 5:19:15 This is before the pandemic. 5:19:18 There was tremendous planning that occurred. 5:19:22 It goes all the way back to about 2004 with the U.S. bioweapons program. 5:19:28 There are now 20 books, at least, written on how 5:19:33 Pandemic preparedness and anticipation occurred for this outbreak, including the development of messenger RNA vaccines. 5:19:42 In 2012, DARPA, the research unit of the US military announced a program called the ADEPT-P3 program. 5:19:51 It stated its goal in 2012 was to end pandemics in 60 days using messenger RNA vaccines. 5:19:58 These messenger RNA vaccines had been in development 5:20:02 for nearly a decade before they were rolled out. 5:20:05 They weren't rushed. 5:20:07 These were in development for a very long time. 5:20:10 That's how Moderna was able to announce within five days of Trump declaring a public health crisis, Moderna declared they had a vaccine in five days. 5:20:19 It's because they had been working on this for years. 5:20:25 What we've learned is that there are four beta human coronaviruses. 5:20:32 that can cause a common cold. 5:20:34 Now they are a small fraction of the common cold. 5:20:36 This is before the pandemic. 5:20:38 Each one of the viruses has a globe to it called the nucleocapsid and then proteins on the surface called spike proteins. 5:20:47 A US Chinese collaboration 5:20:50 by some of the individuals I showed on the last slide, was underway since at least 2012 to create SARS-CoV-2, the virus that got us sick. 5:21:01 The spike protein was intentionally engineered to invade humanized animal respiratory tract and kill the animals. 5:21:10 It was far more contagious than any other beta coronavirus. 5:21:14 And as we sit here today, if we use artificial intelligence to drill down 5:21:20 through populations and through county and regional and provincial databases and ask the question, how many of us got this gain of function virus as an infection? 5:21:30 The answer is 97%. 5:21:34 97% of us have a virus that has attacked our bodies that was a product of gain of function, biological threat research in Wuhan, China. 5:21:43 This is a mind blowing observation. 5:21:48 Now, to make matters worse, this spike protein, as you can see on the surface, 1,255 amino acids, 38, 31 base pairs coding for it. 5:21:58 It was the principal antigenic target of all the vaccines. 5:22:03 This is the lethal part of the virus. 5:22:06 The lethal part of the virus. 5:22:08 Every single vaccine, Pfizer, Moderna, Janssen, AstraZeneca, Novavax, Medi-Gogo, your one you had that never made the market. 5:22:18 They all featured the lethal part of the virus. 5:22:22 Not a benign nucleocapsid. 5:22:24 There's 30 proteins in this virus. 5:22:27 They featured the lethal part of the virus. 5:22:31 That's never happened in human vaccinology, ever. 5:22:35 Tetanus can be lethal, but we don't give the tetanus toxin. 5:22:39 We give tetanus toxoid, a benign protein. 5:22:42 This has never happened in the history of medicine. 5:22:45 and to take the genetic code for the spike protein and to load it on fully synthetic messenger RNA that's indestructible by human enzymes and to create a spike protein, which itself is indestructible by human enzymes. 5:23:01 There are no enzymes that dissolve either messenger RNA or spike protein and then inject it into the human body was, I think, the greatest gamble in medical history. 5:23:14 And from the very beginning, 5:23:16 If we're all going to get a virus, which it appeared obvious in 2020, I proposed and published the most frequently cited paper throughout the pandemic and as the rationale for early treatment. 5:23:27 There was always a rationale. 5:23:28 We heard from one of the doctors from Alberta earlier that we could treat this illness and help people avoid hospitalization and death. 5:23:36 Yet governments all over the world, particularly Canada, to this day don't feature multi-drug treatment to help people avoid hospitalization and death. 5:23:43 We're six years into this. 5:23:46 This is an astonishing set of revelations. 5:23:49 I mean, if we're all going to get this illness, 20% of us got it before the vaccine ever rolled out. 5:23:54 Governments should have been on early treatment protocols at home to avoid hospitalization and death. 5:24:00 Almost all the deaths that occurred with the viral infection occurred in the hospital. 5:24:05 You're looking at the only public figure in the world who put it in writing in August of 2020 that this vaccine program was a gamble. 5:24:16 It was a gamble with all of humanity. 5:24:21 The proposal was inject the synthetic genetic code for the lethal part of the virus. 5:24:27 And if the human body cannot neutralize that spike protein and everybody has a different library of antibodies, that spike protein is going to go cause damage. 5:24:36 And that's what's happened in so many of the individuals who presented. 5:24:41 Now, listen, many people took the vaccine and they are ostensibly unharmed. 5:24:46 Thankfully, many stopped after one or two shots. 5:24:51 In the United States, our estimate now is less than 9% of people are taking boosters. 5:24:56 The public knows these vaccines turn out not to be safe. 5:25:00 A Rasmussen survey indicated 56% of Americans believe large numbers of deaths have occurred after the vaccine. 5:25:07 This is a population-based representative survey. 5:25:11 What's gone on? 5:25:12 What is going on in the bodies of these vaccine-injured patients? 5:25:17 Messenger RNA, which has been pseudouriginated, that means it's been made indestructible by a Nobel Prize-winning process, replacing uracil, one of the four base pairs, with pseudouridine. 5:25:29 This is injected. 5:25:30 It circulates widely in the human body in lipid nanoparticles. 5:25:33 Lipid nanoparticles cross the blood vein barrier. 5:25:36 They cross into the eye. 5:25:37 They explain all these syndromes that we've heard today. 5:25:41 The messenger RNA is readily taken up in the body, and the spike protein is produced in large quantities. 5:25:47 This lethal protein, it causes cell disruption and death. 5:25:52 It's expressed on the cell surface as shown at the top. 5:25:56 It has homology with over three dozen human proteins. 5:25:59 So it immediately incites autoimmunity. 5:26:01 The body knows the spike protein is not supposed to be here. 5:26:05 And so the body tries to envelop the spike protein in phospholipid packets called exosomes. 5:26:12 But clearly the spike protein and the amount of spike protein exposed to the body when the vaccine is many fold greater than the infection. 5:26:22 The infection, the ACE receptor actually catabolizes part of the spike protein. 5:26:29 So we get the tip of the spike protein with the infection, but we still get it in our body. 5:26:33 The vaccinated get full length spike protein. 5:26:36 It trimerizes and then it travels in the bloodstream. 5:26:40 And each person is different depending on where the blood flow happened to go, where the spike protein interacts. 5:26:47 That's the reason why we see these array of syndromes. 5:26:50 Now, those who took AstraZeneca or Janssen, by the way, made by the same biosecurity firm outside Baltimore, Emergent Biosolutions, that was an adenoviral vector. 5:27:01 It downloaded the genetic code, the DNA code for spike protein. 5:27:05 It was transcribed. 5:27:07 And there's a huge blast of spike protein here. 5:27:10 But hopefully the adenoviral vector is gone. 5:27:12 And now it's just a matter of getting rid of the residual spike protein. 5:27:16 In the United States, about 9% took one of these vaccines. 5:27:20 The array of vaccine injury syndromes that you've seen over the course of the last few days is mind-boggling of how a single biopharmaceutical product can cause this much disease and damage across so many organ systems. 5:27:39 How can that be? 5:27:40 Some of you must be wondering, how in the world can one person have blindness, another person have aneurysm, another person have his son die of a cardiac arrest? 5:27:51 How can that be from one or two shots? 5:27:55 It's because they're genetic, and it's because the protein is gain-of-function research. 5:28:02 It was designed to kill. 5:28:06 In fact, people who have taken these vaccines in many ways are lucky to be alive because their library of antibodies directed against the spike protein must be perfectly neutralizing it. 5:28:20 That's the only explanation that exists right now. 5:28:24 Now, there's variation in the vaccine lots. 5:28:27 Some lots probably had very little messenger RNA in it. 5:28:31 Some were hyperloaded. 5:28:32 There's a website called howbadismybatch.com that one can sort this out. 5:28:36 And it's in the peer-reviewed literature. 5:28:38 And one is able to evaluate what the risk is with their batch. 5:28:44 Each person has their own genetics. 5:28:46 And it's been my clinical experience after examining thousands of patients that if anyone has any little flaw 5:28:55 in their genetics, in their epigenetics, or in their baseline condition, the vaccine seems to strike at that flaw. 5:29:06 For example, if someone has a proclivity to blood clotting, they take the vaccine, boom. 5:29:13 We're seeing the biggest blood clots we've ever seen in medical history. 5:29:17 A blood clot in the leg before the pandemic was about an inch long. 5:29:21 I have patients where the entire leg is a solid blood clot, even extending up to the inferior vena cava. 5:29:28 We are seeing anyone who has a polymorphism, a genetic difference in their contractile proteins in the heart, the sarcomere, the other cysteine proteins, the non-sarcomeric proteins, to be the ones who are hit with myocarditis, for an example. 5:29:46 So it's a multifactorial Venn diagram of who's going to end up with a vaccine injury and who's going to be spared. 5:29:56 When I went on the Joe Rogan podcast towards the end of 2021, that was the toughest question I asked by Joe Rogan. 5:30:02 He said, Dr. McCullough, if these vaccines are so bad, why isn't everybody injured and dead? 5:30:09 I didn't have an answer, but I have an answer now. 5:30:12 It's partly the variation in the concentration in the vials, which Public Health Canada and the Canadian agencies have refused to examine the concentration of messenger RNA or adenoviral DNA in the vials or examine for contaminants. 5:30:28 It's individual baseline variation. 5:30:33 And then it's the library of antibodies that they raise against this spike protein. 5:30:37 If their immune system is perfect, they can neutralize every single bit of that spike protein, hopefully forever, and they never have a problem. 5:30:46 But in an important paper by Yonkers from Harvard, with little boys who are suffering myocarditis in Mass General Hospital, 5:30:53 And a control group of boys who were fine from taking the vaccine, the boys who had myocarditis, the antibodies were missing the spike protein. 5:31:01 They were just off and the spike protein was allowed to cause damage. 5:31:05 So there's a great diversity of these vaccine injury syndromes. 5:31:09 To make it more complicated, the spike protein shown on the left, it folds. 5:31:13 It goes in different patterns and it has different. 5:31:18 kind of characteristics of its own in the human body. 5:31:20 So the spike protein in one human body is not the same in another human body. 5:31:25 It may fold in a way where it damages neurologic receptors in the spinal cord causing transverse myelitis. 5:31:31 It may fold in a way where it attaches to red blood cells and forms micro blood clots and forms blindness in the eye. 5:31:39 And you can see on the right here, it goes everywhere. 5:31:43 From the biodistribution and what we understand is this messenger RNA or adenoviral DNA and lipid nanoparticles and spike protein go everywhere in the human body. 5:31:54 This is the last thing you would want with a genetic code that is coding for a lethal protein. 5:32:02 It is the worst biological idea I've ever heard in my life. 5:32:08 And yet not a single doctor here in academic medicine in Canada questioned it. 5:32:13 Not a single public health agency official questioned it. 5:32:18 Not a single public figure questioned it outside of me in August of 2020. 5:32:23 And the question is why? 5:32:24 Why? 5:32:26 Why? 5:32:28 I think the world was in a fear-driven trance. 5:32:32 I think the propaganda over this pandemic, it worked. 5:32:37 All these messages that came out that no one is safe, and everyone, people were entranced in fear, and they were conditioned to undergo mass vaccination. 5:32:49 It was population preparation. 5:32:52 When this paper hit August 7th of 2021 in the New England Journal of Medicine, this should have been the absolute end of COVID-19 vaccination. 5:33:05 Look at this paper. 5:33:06 Myocarditis after messenger RNA vaccination. 5:33:09 It's in the New England Journal of Medicine, the most widely read journal in all of medicine in the entire world. 5:33:15 It's a 42-year-old man who takes Moderna. 5:33:18 He's perfectly healthy, and he dies three days in the hospital with every bit of supportive care that they can give, and he dies of fatal myocarditis. 5:33:30 If Moderna can kill a 42-year-old healthy man right in front of the doctors and nurses in the hospital, how does Sean Hartman stand a chance? 5:33:44 When I saw this, I was absolutely terrified. 5:33:47 I wrote the American College of Cardiology. 5:33:48 I said, we can't possibly advocate for these. 5:33:53 And I was shut down everywhere. 5:33:55 This was the seminal paper. 5:33:58 It turns out Senator Johnson held a hearing. 5:34:00 The Israelis were reporting fatal cases in January, February of 2021. 5:34:06 They had 62 Israeli Defense Force soldiers. 5:34:10 Two died of myocarditis like this man. 5:34:14 Public health apparatus in the United States, the White House, the CDC, and the FDA, they knew about this in February of 2021. 5:34:20 They knew the vaccine could result in death. 5:34:24 Remember, vaccines are given to healthy people, not sick people. 5:34:28 The standard is different than a drug. 5:34:30 If I'm treating a sick heart failure patient, we may have risks and benefits with a drug. 5:34:35 in a serious disease. 5:34:37 But a vaccine is on a different level. 5:34:39 A vaccine should never cause death. 5:34:42 We never trade a death of a healthy person for a theoretical population benefit. 5:34:47 And that's what the public health apparatus here in Canada still says, that these are rare. 5:34:54 And the last time I testified in the U.S. Senate, they said, you know, it was worth it. 5:34:58 I think one of the senators said it's worth it that we sacrifice some lives with an unsafe vaccination for the theoretical benefit to the population. 5:35:07 I disagree. 5:35:09 I think one death is one death too many. 5:35:12 And this is New England Journal of Medicine. 5:35:14 This is not hidden. 5:35:15 Within a few months, two boys, one in Minnesota and one in Connecticut, age 16 and 17, are found dead in their beds. 5:35:22 It's published in Archives of Pathology. 5:35:25 Autopsy proven fatal myopericarditis. 5:35:28 And then the cases started to pour in. 5:35:31 They literally poured in. 5:35:32 And I would propose today that any unexplained cardiac arrest in the pandemic years should be examined for fatal COVID-19 vaccine myopericarditis. 5:35:46 We heard from a woman today that she has an aneurysm. 5:35:51 in the back of her head that she's worried about a sudden intracranial hemorrhage. 5:35:55 This paper from Oda and colleagues shows the vaccine spike protein in the arteries in the brain causing aneurysms and ruptures. 5:36:03 And some of these patients died. 5:36:05 If you look at that table, many of these patients never had the infection. 5:36:10 They've only taken the vaccine. 5:36:14 We simply cannot have a vaccine that can eat away at blood vessels and cause blindness or cause aneurysm, intracranial hemorrhage. 5:36:24 It simply cannot be used. 5:36:26 And it's absolutely tragic that young children in Canada are giving this on a routine basis. 5:36:36 We've published that both the infection and the vaccine combine to form hybrid harms. 5:36:42 that we get super loaded with this spike protein with the infection and taking the vaccine. 5:36:48 And because the vaccine doesn't stop the infection, doesn't stop transmission, and the vaccine did not reduce hospitalizations and deaths. 5:36:56 There's not a single valid study that shows this. 5:36:59 The vaccinated got COVID just as frequently as the unvaccinated. 5:37:03 So they became super loaded with this gain of function spike protein that was devised in the Wuhan Institute of Virology 5:37:13 under a U.S. joint Chinese collaboration. 5:37:18 This isn't a conspiracy theorist. 5:37:21 This is a rational theory. 5:37:23 We're not conspiracy. 5:37:24 We're all rational theorists. 5:37:26 We have rational ideas of what's happening, and that's the purpose of this hearing, to exposit what we understand is happening now to the Canadian population. 5:37:38 This is an important paper we just published in the European Society of Medicine. 5:37:41 This is my patient. 5:37:43 He's taken three Pfizer vaccines and we have found the Pfizer vaccine intact and the vaccine spike protein intact in his bloodstream three and a half years after he took the shot. 5:37:57 No wonder people are sick for years. 5:38:01 This is not supposed to be in the human bloodstream. 5:38:04 We did skin biopsies, two sets of them. 5:38:07 We found the vaccine and the spike protein in the skin. 5:38:10 He's had MRI proven myocarditis. 5:38:13 He's had blood clots with pulmonary embolism. 5:38:15 He had a predisposing factor. 5:38:16 He had a blood clot about eight years before he took the shots. 5:38:20 So any reasonable doctor would say, no, you shouldn't take a vaccine that causes blood clots if you're predisposed to blood clots. 5:38:27 But under current vaccine policy, everyone, irrespective of any condition, should take a vaccine. 5:38:33 He worked for a pharmaceutical company. 5:38:35 He was told he had to take that to keep his job. 5:38:39 He's been terribly sick afterwards, and he's a very courageous volunteer to be in our research. 5:38:44 Three and a half years after the vaccine. 5:38:46 Now, we've sent this to Health and Human Services. 5:38:48 We've sent this to all the U.S. leadership. 5:38:50 No response. 5:38:52 The CDC says the vaccine is out of the body in a couple days. 5:38:58 It's still on their website. 5:39:00 It's a bold-faced lie. 5:39:02 We are dealing with, at least in some people, the vaccine staying in the body a very long time. 5:39:07 This is not the first paper. 5:39:08 There's a paper by Brogna and colleagues that have identified the messenger RNA after six months and half of people. 5:39:15 There's a paper from Yale finding it about the same duration. 5:39:19 We can use reverse qPCR to find the vaccine, and we can use direct radioimmunoassay to find the spike protein. 5:39:27 This is alarming. 5:39:28 This is probably the most alarming paper I'm showing you. 5:39:31 We've analyzed it in two papers with over 600 references. 5:39:36 And by the way, there are about 600,000 peer-reviewed papers on the COVID-19 pandemic. 5:39:46 150,000 deal with the vaccines. 5:39:47 15,000 deal with vaccine safety. 5:39:53 So I'm summarizing what's probably in 15,000 papers. 5:39:57 We have nearly a thousand cited in these two papers. 5:39:59 The conclusion is easy to see. 5:40:01 The observed harms far outweigh the theoretical benefits. 5:40:07 They outweigh the theory. 5:40:09 And as the longer we go in the pandemic and people keep getting the infection over and over again, and it becomes milder and milder, the observed harms even greater outweigh the theoretical benefits, the observed harms. 5:40:24 Claiming that a side effect is rare is not an adequate rationale for vaccination. 5:40:32 Rarity doesn't matter because vaccines are applied to healthy people. 5:40:38 One person is one person too many. 5:40:40 A very important paper was published in JAMA demonstrating that the higher antibodies to the spike protein 5:40:49 indicate a proxy for the spike protein in symptoms in people after vaccination. 5:40:54 Now, they're antibodies, so they're not directly measuring the spike protein, but the correlation in the peer-reviewed literature is about 0.8 to 0.9. 5:41:04 This test is available. 5:41:06 It's a commercially available assay, and we rely on it greatly in the United States. 5:41:10 The lead test is offered by Labcorp, and it gives a range of receptor binding domain units per mL. 5:41:20 And as a general rule, if one has just had the infection, no vaccine, they're typically below 1,000. 5:41:25 Every paper published using this serology, people under 1,000 seem to be free and clear. 5:41:31 When people are closer to 5,000, we start to find spike protein in the bloodstream when we do research assays for this. 5:41:38 And people up around 25,000, honestly, they're in trouble. 5:41:42 It's a proxy for how much spike protein is in the human body. 5:41:48 Let me see a show of hands. 5:41:49 How many of you who are vaccine injured have had this test done? 5:41:55 Just a handful. 5:41:57 I can tell you this is a standard of care for any vaccine injured to have a proxy for how much the body's been loaded with spike protein. 5:42:06 Very low spike antibodies head us in a different direction. 5:42:10 Higher levels make us very assured that what's going on is directly related to the spike protein. 5:42:16 Risk stratification of who's at risk for a cardiac arrest depends on this antibody level. 5:42:21 So I always take a detailed infection history, a vaccine history, measure the antibodies. 5:42:28 If they're less than a thousand, no further care is needed. 5:42:31 But then if they are higher risk, we go through a series of examinations. 5:42:35 This is what I do in my practice. 5:42:37 I would wager to say this is higher quality medical care than every single vaccine injured patient received that's testified in the last three days. 5:42:45 It's organized, it's peer reviewed and it's published. 5:42:48 It's all science backed and there's actions that I take as a doctor. 5:42:53 And under my watch, I don't have patients developing new blood clots or cardiac arrests. 5:42:59 And under my watch, I'm gratified to see people slowly improve. 5:43:04 I follow these methods in patients from Canada who are referred to me, and I deliver results. 5:43:12 The Canadian doctors are not doing this. 5:43:17 Very importantly, and this has been brought up, 5:43:22 Besides the vaccine injury syndromes that we've seen, which are cardiovascular, neurologic, thrombotic, and immunologic, there's a great concern regarding cancer risks. 5:43:33 This came out in 2025. 5:43:36 Why are all these young people getting cancer? 5:43:39 They went around to leading cancer centers and they asked them what's changed over the last five years. 5:43:48 They asked everyone. 5:43:49 And the doctors at the cancer center said, well, maybe it's pollution. 5:43:54 Maybe it's cell phones. 5:43:56 Maybe it's something in the water. 5:43:58 Not a single person interviewed or a single staff writer thought it could be related to a global pandemic that we just went through. 5:44:08 The institutional blindness to the pandemic, both the infection and the vaccine, is extraordinary. 5:44:16 You read pieces like this and you cannot believe your eyes. 5:44:21 What's changed? 5:44:22 You saw one of the presenters. 5:44:24 She showed you cancer rising. 5:44:26 Cancer is rising. 5:44:27 That's the reason why Time wrote this article. 5:44:29 But they gave no consideration to the possibility that we could have just gone through a pandemic and had undertaken global mass genetic vaccination. 5:44:40 This paper caught my attention. 5:44:42 I think it's the best one out there. 5:44:44 66 article level reports describing cancer rising both with COVID-19 infection and vaccination. 5:44:53 Both. 5:44:55 And there's a variety of mechanisms. 5:44:57 We've recently published this paper. 5:44:58 There could be at least 35 mechanisms by which this is happening. 5:45:04 The spike protein suppresses tumor surveillance. 5:45:07 The messenger RNA interferes with DNA repair. 5:45:10 There's a whole series of changes in the body that are oncogenic. 5:45:14 My great fear is that every person in this room now is at increased risk of cancer more so than we were before the pandemic because of the infection, the vaccines, and both. 5:45:27 But the trends are clear. 5:45:29 All cancers, particularly the solid organ cancers, are on the way up. 5:45:34 But this could just be observational. 5:45:35 Cancer was going up before the pandemic. 5:45:38 Now it's really hockey sticking up as shown in the lower right-hand corner. 5:45:42 Here's a patient of mine, a bladder cancer. 5:45:45 We take a sample of the bladder cancer. 5:45:48 She's in her 30s. 5:45:50 I've never seen a woman in her 30s with bladder cancer this large. 5:45:53 And we find part of the Pfizer code in her bladder cancer. 5:45:59 Not the whole code, but 20 base pairs. 5:46:02 What is the vaccine genetic material doing in cancer tumor tissue? 5:46:07 We don't know, but my intuition is it's not good. 5:46:12 And that's the reason why the word turbo cancer is used. 5:46:14 I think it's a very appropriate term. 5:46:16 Cancer is moving far more quickly, presenting at a more severe stage and being far more fatal than we've ever seen it before. 5:46:23 But when it's right there at the scene of the crime. 5:46:27 It screams for investigation. 5:46:29 Do you know the National Cancer Institute, the National Institutes of Health is doing nothing on this? 5:46:33 Health Canada is doing nothing on this. 5:46:35 Not a single institution worldwide is doing anything on these important, peer-reviewed, fully published observations of what's going on in vaccinated patients. 5:46:46 This patient we just published, he took three shots. 5:46:51 He developed a cardiac tumor. 5:46:53 It spread to his brain. 5:46:54 He died, and we got the tissue, and we found evidence of vaccine genetic material coding for fragments of the spike protein in the tumor. 5:47:07 170 days after his last shot. 5:47:10 Is it an innocent bystander or did it cause acceleration of this tumor? 5:47:15 I don't know, but I'm greatly concerned. 5:47:19 Cancer statistics going up. 5:47:21 Mechanisms of action that support the vaccines are basically oncogenic. 5:47:29 And now we have direct tissue examination. 5:47:32 What's the path forward? 5:47:35 Fortunately, the Japanese, and I give Dr. Tanakawa a tremendous amount of credit, he found that a natural exogenous enzyme does reliably dissolve the spike protein. 5:47:47 Both inside cells and outside cells, that enzyme is natokinase. 5:47:51 It's derived from the fermentation of soy or from chickpeas, reliably. 5:47:57 And there's probably about five papers in the peer-reviewed literature. 5:48:01 The Japanese have been using this for over 1,000 years because it has anti-athrosclerotic effects. 5:48:06 They eat natto. 5:48:08 But this is the enzyme, so it's derived actually in much higher concentrations now. 5:48:13 And this is, I think, a reliable way to dissolve the spike protein. 5:48:18 It's been my observation that none of these vaccine syndromes ever get better without getting rid of the spike protein. 5:48:25 Taking all these pain medicines, taking all these psychiatric medicines, doing all these other things, except for getting rid of the spike protein, never works. 5:48:34 Never. 5:48:36 The spike protein is job one. 5:48:38 The people are loaded with it, and we have to get rid of it. 5:48:41 The second set of enzymes comes from bromelain, which is derived from pineapple and the stems of pineapple. 5:48:47 It reliably dissolves the spike protein. 5:48:50 About 40% absorbed, maximum blood levels an hour, 5:48:54 It actually is an anticoagulant. 5:48:55 It prolongs the prothrombin time. 5:48:57 Many of what you saw today were blood clots. 5:48:59 I have found these large blood clots do not dissolve on their own with conventional blood thinners. 5:49:04 Conventional blood thinners, by the way, don't dissolve blood clots. 5:49:06 They just hold the coagulation system static. 5:49:10 This actually helps dissolve blood clots, nanokinase and bromelain. 5:49:13 So I use them together under careful observation, given the bleeding risks. 5:49:18 Nanokinase and bromelain are widely available in Canada. 5:49:22 And I think it's sad that the vaccine injured many of them do not know about this fundamental approach. 5:49:28 Here are the data demonstrating bromelain dissolves SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. 5:49:34 Very important. 5:49:36 Curcumin, another natural product in high doses, reduced COVID-19 severity. 5:49:43 The Indians show this and others reduce the risk of hospitalization death because it partially blocks the spike protein. 5:49:49 another natural product. 5:49:51 I can't find prescription medicines that do this. 5:49:54 So we proposed now three years ago that we combine natokinase, bromine, and curcumin and administer together and advance the doses as a fundamental way of treating patients after SARS-CoV-2 infection and vaccine injury syndromes. 5:50:10 It's been copyrighted in my name, McCullough Protocol, base spike protein detoxification, as you can see here. 5:50:16 But I have found that this is needed for years. 5:50:20 to ultimately lessen the intensity and severity of symptoms and rid people of the spike protein. 5:50:26 And hopefully the body is getting rid of the genetic material and some other disposal means. 5:50:32 And there's got to be some molecular fatigue. 5:50:34 I don't think we can carry Pfizer the rest of our lives in our bodies. 5:50:37 But the point is, this is the base. 5:50:39 This is fundamental. 5:50:41 Every vaccine injured patient should be doing this. 5:50:44 I haven't found a single vaccine injured patient get better without it. 5:50:48 Not a one. 5:50:49 Not a one. 5:50:50 This is very important. 5:50:53 It's a sad observation that Canadian doctors are not recommending these three simple over-the-counter products for people to use. 5:51:02 And I think Public Health Agency Canada would do a huge service now to make an immediate turn and do research on this. 5:51:10 Further develop the protocols and get people relief. 5:51:14 Here's one of my patients. 5:51:16 with myocarditis and a blood clot. 5:51:19 It took about 20 months to see his antibody concentrations go from 7534 to 2783. 5:51:26 We typically see the spike protein come out of the body, out of the bloodstream at about 5000. 5:51:32 And he's remarkably better. 5:51:34 He's all done. 5:51:36 His vaccine injury syndrome resolved. 5:51:38 But you can see here in the gallery, these Canadians have not even had the blood test to know where they are. 5:51:45 We've got to get a move on in treating vaccine injury syndromes. 5:51:50 I can't be the only doctor thinking this way. 5:51:53 I formulated the first multi-dog treatment protocol to treat COVID-19 and prevent hospitalization and death. 5:51:59 And I formulated the first multi-agent approach to treat vaccine injury syndromes. 5:52:04 Public Health Agency Canada needs to get a move on. 5:52:08 My phone is on. 5:52:10 I'll take a call anytime, night or day. 5:52:13 Another important drug I prescribe is in all the myopericarditis cases, they must get colchicine. 5:52:20 This is a prescription drug, but it's derived from a natural product. 5:52:23 It's derived from a purple flower, and it reduces inflammation in the heart. 5:52:28 It's vital. 5:52:30 It's vital. 5:52:31 In this paper, these doctors actually had somebody with vaccine myocarditis. 5:52:36 They got them better on colchicine. 5:52:39 And so what did they do? 5:52:41 They gave them another shot. 5:52:43 And then he got more myocarditis. 5:52:45 So they put him back on colchicine, and he got better. 5:52:48 And what they do, they continue the colchicine, and they challenged it. 5:52:51 They gave him another shot, and he was fine. 5:52:53 That shows you how powerful colchicine is. 5:52:56 Now, they risk his life three times. 5:52:58 Very unwise. 5:53:00 But I would wager to say the majority of patients I've seen from Canada with myopericarditis are not even prescribed colchicine. 5:53:08 A basic drug. 5:53:09 This is a generic $3 drug. 5:53:12 A fundamental drug. 5:53:14 Another drug I've worked with now, and I've treated a Canadian subject with this, is a generic medication used in very low doses. 5:53:21 So it's a drug used previously in transplant patients and in longevity studies called rapamycin. 5:53:28 But this man's a college student. 5:53:30 He had baseline antibodies of 7,058. 5:53:33 Myocarditis. 5:53:34 He was in heart failure. 5:53:35 He was very, very sick. 5:53:36 He tried to drop out of college. 5:53:37 Seven months of detoxification with the McCullough Protocol. 5:53:41 plus colchicine and prednisone and rapamycin antibodies down to 2650 resolved his syndrome. 5:53:48 He's back at school. 5:53:49 He's good. 5:53:51 It takes drugs that are dealing with the fundamental process, not pain medicines, not things are trying to mask symptoms, but drugs that are treating the basic pathophysiology here to get people better. 5:54:06 What are the other things that I found useful? 5:54:08 Besides everybody getting nanokinase, bromelain, and curcumin, which takes years, intensified detoxification. 5:54:15 There are some supportive data with N-acetylcysteine. 5:54:18 Taken twice a day, it may demature the spike protein, help with some elimination, loss of mental clarity, a nicotine patch. 5:54:25 Seven milligrams a day. 5:54:26 That's available over the counter in the United States. 5:54:29 Paper from Switzerland supports that. 5:54:31 Suspected or recurrent persistent SARS-CoV-2 infection. 5:54:34 Ivermectin for 90 days. 5:54:36 That's called a reservoir. 5:54:37 A recent trial was tried with Paxlovid for a reservoir patients and it failed. 5:54:43 But in my experience, Ivermectin is is effective. 5:54:47 For POTS, posterior orthostatic tachycardia syndrome, it is a manifestation of subclinical myopericarditis, so colchicine, natalol. 5:54:55 I use an additional drug there for the hypotension called adrenal cortex, which is a supplement. 5:55:00 The autoimmune syndromes, 5:55:02 Hydroxychloroquine, 200 milligrams twice a day. 5:55:04 But you have to check for it. 5:55:05 We have to check the blood, ANA, antacid-related peptide, and the rheumatoid factor. 5:55:10 A lot of our vaccinated patients never had these blood tests obtained. 5:55:13 Myocarditis, I've told you the program. 5:55:15 Base detox, colchicine, prednisone, rapamycin in some cases. 5:55:20 All the studies show hyperbaric oxygen is beneficial. 5:55:23 Every single study. 5:55:25 Canada should have a whole network of hyperbaric chambers. 5:55:28 It can help people recover. 5:55:29 Hot sauna and perspiration. 5:55:31 I told you the vaccine and the spike protein are in the skin. 5:55:33 It's right near the sweat glands. 5:55:35 The vaccine itself, messenger RNA, comes out in breast milk, which is modified sweat. 5:55:40 And so we strongly advocate sweating, therapeutic sweating, perspiration. 5:55:47 There's only three ways to get something out of the body, the liver, the kidneys, and sweat. 5:55:52 It looks like the vaccine and spike protein go out in sweats. 5:55:55 You Canadians up north wearing your down jackets all the time, you don't sweat too much. 5:56:00 You got to get out there and sweat. 5:56:02 If you want the spike protein out of your body, sweating is very important. 5:56:06 A lot of research on favorable microbiome. 5:56:08 The human microbiome may help clear things out. 5:56:11 I think it's secondary to this program of systemic enzymes. 5:56:18 So to finish and conclude, this inquiry hearing testimony from Canadians who were injured by a medical intervention, they were told was safe and effective and necessary. 5:56:28 The regulatory apparatus approved these products, did not protect them. 5:56:33 The surveillance systems that should have detected the injury signal were structurally incapable of doing so, and the scientific questions that could have been answered before the rollout remained unanswered. 5:56:43 Now, to make matters worse, Canadian authorities squashed any ability of doctors to talk to one another and discuss these problems and come up with solutions. 5:56:54 They banned doctors from investigating these cases. 5:56:59 And they have worked against all the efforts of Canadian doctors to compassionately care for these people. 5:57:06 And that, that is a crime. 5:57:10 The government needs to get out of the way of doctors and nurses and let them get back to the work of taking care of Canadians. 5:57:18 We need acknowledgement that these vaccine injuries are real. 5:57:21 We need accountability, research and treatment. 5:57:26 And above all, we need far more hearings like this that will exposit what's going on and will shed light on the problem and light will prevail over darkness. 5:57:38 Good will prevail over evil. Speaker 13 — Dr. Peter McCullough
5:57:42 I'm Dr. Peter McCullough. 5:57:43 There's my comments. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:58:20 Dr. McCullough, one thing that caught my attention was as you were talking about how the vaccine is found within the body, you gave an example of three and a half years afterwards. 5:58:35 And my understanding is that there's other studies showing at least the persistence of spike protein. 5:58:42 Can you help us to understand how is it possible that spike protein is remaining that long? 5:58:51 Is the body still making it from the mRNA ejection? Speaker 26 — Dr. Peter McCullough
5:58:57 I think in part messenger RNA is still making it. 5:59:01 But remember, the adenoviral vaccines, Johnson and AstraZeneca, they still have a long tail of spike protein in the bloodstream. 5:59:14 We can't find any natural human enzyme that breaks it down. 5:59:19 There's always collagenases. 5:59:21 There's always, you know, hydrolases. 5:59:24 There's, you know, hepane and all kinds of other. 5:59:27 And the human body can break down every protein that's natural. 5:59:31 This protein is not natural. 5:59:34 It's an unnatural synthetic protein made in a Chinese lab. 5:59:38 That's the problem. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
5:59:40 Okay. 5:59:40 And I just want to make sure that I understand it. 5:59:43 So the spike protein is the dangerous part of the virus. 5:59:48 So if I use the word, if I said, well, that's really a poison spike protein, it causes damage within us. 5:59:54 It's a poison. 5:59:55 So what happens is, is we get injected with a poison and our body can't ever get rid of it. 6:00:02 It just stays there. Speaker 26 — Dr. Peter McCullough
6:00:04 You know, like all their proteins, there has to be some fatigue as proteins move through the human body. 6:00:11 We have the reticular endothelial system. 6:00:13 There's all kinds of 6:00:15 Protein packaging. 6:00:17 There has to be some fatigue in this. 6:00:19 I don't believe a single protein can last in the human body for 100 years. 6:00:25 There are ways of infections, though, to persist in the body for a very long time and make people sick. 6:00:35 But it's because the organisms have found a crafty way of doing it. 6:00:40 And the two examples that come to mind are Lyme disease, Borrelia burgdorferi, very long time. 6:00:46 And the other one is syphilis. 6:00:48 Syphilis can be in the human body for decades. 6:00:52 We don't have evidence of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. 6:00:55 So far, the evidence are the virus itself can live in the human body about a year. 6:01:00 And that's from an autopsy study from Chertow. 6:01:02 We don't know how long the virus itself can live. 6:01:05 But we're finding evidence from multiple sources that the spike protein, little tip of it from the infection, and the full length spike protein from the vaccine is there for a long time. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:01:16 And is it like one thing, and it may be that I just don't understand it, but with the mRNA vaccines, my understanding is that 6:01:29 especially like the Pfizer with the lipid nanoparticles, it goes into our cell and basically turns our cell into a factory that then spits out these spike proteins into our body. 6:01:43 Is there an off switch for the cell manufacturing what is in fact a poison for us? Speaker 26 — Dr. Peter McCullough
6:01:50 There's no off switch. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:01:52 Okay, so that could be an explanation then. 6:01:55 So if somebody's gotten a 6:01:56 a shot that caused a large number of their cells to be manufacturing this poison, then are they basically in a situation where they have to be continually trying on a protocol to get rid of these spike proteins because they can't shut it off? Speaker 26 — Dr. Peter McCullough
6:02:13 That's correct. 6:02:14 So the theory is we've got to get ahead of the spike protein using this enzymatic process, natroclinase, bromelain, curcumin, McCulloch protocol, and then... 6:02:24 We have hope that the human body gets rid of the genetic material through sweat. 6:02:30 And I think that's one of the reasons why after the initial wave of cardiac arrests in the athletes that was due to acute myocarditis, if you notice, the athletes have done fine afterwards. 6:02:41 because they sweat so much. 6:02:44 Hopefully they've sweated this vaccine out of their body. 6:02:47 In my observation of this, where I'm measuring antibodies and I'm directly measuring the spike protein, the people who seem to clear the stuff out of the body are intentionally perspiring in large volumes. Speaker 2 — Dr. Peter McCullough
6:03:00 Okay. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:03:05 So this persistence of 6:03:07 if people are not getting rid of the spike protein, if they're not doing the sweating, we literally could have people that are vaccinated five years ago manifesting with new injuries that are indeed vaccine injuries today. 6:03:22 They're never going to be counted as vaccine injuries, but in effect, for example, are continually, it seems that cancer is increasing and increasing. 6:03:32 That could be explained by 6:03:34 a vaccine injury, even though they were vaccinated four or five years ago. Speaker 26 — Dr. Peter McCullough
6:03:38 That's a correct analysis. 6:03:40 And our U.S. FDA regulatory system actually has a very prescient regulatory piece on this for genetic products. 6:03:49 As I said, for genetic products, they need five to 15 years of safety observation because of this exact analysis that you've just given. 6:04:00 Five to 15 years. 6:04:02 Yet Public Health Canada... 6:04:04 The U.S. FDA, they haven't put 15 years of observation on these vaccines. 6:04:09 They told everybody to take it and just, in a sense, go with it. 6:04:15 But you're right. 6:04:16 I think we've got, you know, we're about five years into it now. 6:04:19 I think we've got another 10 years of concern. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:04:23 Okay. 6:04:24 Another question I had is, in Canada, and we had an earlier witness who watched them, 6:04:30 involved in a report that recommended that we stop vaccinating basically 18 and under with the COVID-19 vaccine. 6:04:39 Is it your understanding that that age group, healthy children and teenagers are basically at zero risk from dying of the COVID vaccine? Speaker 26 — Dr. Peter McCullough
6:04:49 Dying of COVID illness. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:04:51 I'm sorry, illness. 6:04:52 I meant illness. 6:04:53 I said vaccine. 6:04:54 Thank you for correcting me. Speaker 26 — Dr. Peter McCullough
6:04:56 At this point in time, I imagine 6:04:59 The rate of natural immunity of children is probably near 100 percent. 6:05:02 Obviously, newborns come every year and they are experiencing their first challenges from viruses. 6:05:10 But except in extreme comorbidities like children with congenital heart and lung disease or cystic fibrosis, there was no risk to children with the infection. 6:05:24 And therefore, there was no medical necessity. 6:05:27 There was no clinical indication. 6:05:29 And it was all risk. 6:05:32 It was all risk, like the risk that Sean Hartman took. 6:05:36 It was all risk and no benefit. 6:05:39 And that equation still exists today. 6:05:43 It is complete madness that countries like Canada and Brazil are still pushing vaccination in children, even down to six months. 6:05:56 It's been abandoned in the United States. 6:05:58 It's been abandoned in Europe, in most countries. 6:06:02 So what's unique about Canada and Canada's children to persisting with genetic vaccination dose after dose after dose? 6:06:11 Everything I presented today is basically at about one or two or three doses. 6:06:15 We have no idea what's going to happen when we get to six, seven, eight doses. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:06:20 Right. 6:06:21 But just to follow up on your point is so. 6:06:24 For most countries, they no longer vaccinate children and youth. 6:06:31 So Canada is an outlier in continuing to vaccinate children and youth, and healthy children and youth are, in effect, at a zero risk of COVID. 6:06:42 So it wouldn't make sense even if other countries were still doing it, but we're the outlier now because other countries have figured it out. Speaker 26 — Dr. Peter McCullough
6:06:51 That's correct. 6:06:52 And on the record, I don't think these vaccines are safe for anyone. 6:06:57 I think they should have been pulled from the market very quickly after the release. 6:07:01 And I testified to that extent in 2021. 6:07:04 I'm on record for it. 6:07:06 I was the first doctor of public record to call for withdraw the COVID-19 vaccines in the U.S. Senate. 6:07:12 And they were a giant 6:07:17 This has been a public health debacle. 6:07:19 And the problem is we're so deep into it and every country is so deep into it. 6:07:25 I can tell you our leader of our public health apparatus, Anthony Fauci, sought and obtained 10 years of clemency for crimes. 6:07:36 that are implicated in this. 6:07:38 And he just pled the Fifth Amendment 111 times in front of the U.S. Senate. 6:07:42 I sat in that very chair that he there, and I answered every single question from the senators for hours. 6:07:48 So at the very top of this, not only do we have this incredible public health and scientific misadventure, debacle, but we have corruption at the very highest levels. 6:08:00 And none of your public health agency officials will come clean on this. 6:08:03 None of them will. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
6:08:06 Thank you, Dr. Ocala, for being here. 6:08:08 I know my colleagues got a question, and I do as well, but Mr. Mott, why don't you go first? Speaker 5 — MP Glen Motz
6:08:12 Thank you. 6:08:13 And thank you very much, Doctor, first of all, for your passion for truth and for your research in this. 6:08:21 You basically answered my question that I was going to ask, and that is, why doesn't Canada remove the COVID vaccine off the shelf and just say, we're not doing it anymore? 6:08:33 You started to answer a little bit. 6:08:35 But it makes total sense that we just remove it for everyone. Speaker 26 — Dr. Peter McCullough
6:08:38 This is a stupendous observation. 6:08:41 The COVID vaccine is on the market in over 140 countries. 6:08:46 The only countries that actually don't have the vaccine can't afford it. 6:08:49 There's over 190 countries in the world. 6:08:52 Not a single country has done a formal safety review, a legitimate safety review. 6:08:58 Not a single country has opened the vials to inspect for concentration of vaccine material or for impurities or contaminants. 6:09:09 Not a single country. 6:09:12 It's mind blowing. 6:09:13 What's going on in Canada now is going on in Japan and Indonesia and Russia. 6:09:19 No one can explain this. 6:09:21 It's a mind blowing reality. 6:09:24 We're six years into this. 6:09:27 This pandemic should have been overdone over within two years. 6:09:30 Should have been like Spanish flu. 6:09:31 Done. 6:09:32 The vaccination has extended this to six years now as the virus keeps mutating. 6:09:38 They just came out with XFG variants. 6:09:42 That variant is already gone. 6:09:43 Now we're on to new variants and it's going to be another failed vaccine. 6:09:48 Countries are buying full stockpiles of these vaccines for their entire population. 6:09:54 I told you, in the United States, it's 8.9% of people taking it. 6:09:58 91% of the vials are dumped down the drain, yet the companies receive billions of dollars. 6:10:04 Both Pfizer and Moderna each received over a billion dollars for more vaccines to the United States. 6:10:11 It's a mind-blowing reality on this whole vaccine misadventure. 6:10:18 There seems to be an ideology. 6:10:19 It's almost like it's some type of false religion. 6:10:22 It's a madness. 6:10:24 that people have. 6:10:25 And it's divided families. 6:10:26 It divides along party lines. 6:10:28 People say they can't talk about this. 6:10:31 I'll just say one thing. 6:10:32 In the first presidential administration, President's administration, Trump's administration, there's 15 cabinet members. 6:10:40 15 cabinet members. 6:10:41 One did not take the vaccine because it wasn't safe. 6:10:45 You know who that was? 6:10:47 Ben Carson. 6:10:48 He's the only doctor in the cabinet. 6:10:52 That should tell you something. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
6:10:56 Dr. McCullough, you talked about the test that most people are unaware of. 6:11:01 From my understanding, the test is not really that expensive, or is it, you know, in terms of... Speaker 26 — Dr. Peter McCullough
6:11:08 My understanding is Labcorp doesn't offer it in Canada. 6:11:13 So I have my Canadian patients just drive over the border and they get it done in Buffalo or Detroit. 6:11:18 They go online, Labcorp, labs on demand, get a user ID and password, pay $69, show up at Labcorp. 6:11:25 You're in the computer, pay them 69 bucks. 6:11:28 You'll get your answer that night. 6:11:29 My lady from Vancouver just came down. 6:11:31 She texted me the answer. 6:11:33 We've got it. 6:11:34 So this is a baseline standard of care. 6:11:36 Canadians can drive their own standard of care. 6:11:40 And I think these hearings hopefully will get out to the vaccine injured and they'll start to do this to get an understanding of where they are in this process. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
6:11:47 And in terms of spike proteins, you talked about high levels like 7,000 being brought down to 2,500 or whatever. 6:11:56 Give us some context for that. 6:11:57 You know, spike protein levels at 2,500 would be 6:12:01 acceptable, normal in people than that? 6:12:05 And what's the timeline? Speaker 26 — Dr. Peter McCullough
6:12:06 Remember, it's an antibody. 6:12:08 The antibody lags behind the spike protein by about six to nine months. 6:12:12 So the antibody is kind of a trailing indicator. 6:12:15 But in general, when the antibodies are below 5,000 units per ml, we can't find any spike protein in the blood anymore. 6:12:22 It's gone. 6:12:23 So if they go on the detox protocol and it may take a year or two, it's great to when the blood is cleared of this. 6:12:29 I was one of the leading doctors in treating COVID patients face to face. 6:12:34 So I had a lot of exposure through the pandemic. 6:12:37 In 2023, my number was 2300. 6:12:39 And I had some symptoms. 6:12:41 My ears are ringing. 6:12:42 I had some long COVID symptoms. 6:12:44 I went on the spike detox. 6:12:46 It took about a year and my number came down to about 800. 6:12:50 And I've checked it twice now. 6:12:52 And anything below 1,000, we can't find any signals that there's any spike protein or any harm in the human body. 6:12:58 A normal value before the pandemic would be less than 0.8. 6:13:01 So we shouldn't have any antibodies to this. 6:13:04 But we're going to have some because of the ubiquity of the infection, what's called shedding, and the spike protein in people who've taken the vaccine or had the infection. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
6:13:13 So in terms of protocol, it's a test. 6:13:17 It's then getting on the protocol, which would also... 6:13:20 as you said, mentioned, sweating is also a part of that process. 6:13:24 So these connects to the body. 6:13:25 And for higher levels, for those that are struggling, length of time, year, two years, like Speaker 26 — Dr. Peter McCullough
6:13:33 At least two years. 6:13:34 What I'd suggest is if people want to direct their own care, they can get an antibody level. 6:13:39 If they're below 1,000, I don't think there's any compelling evidence that the vaccine or the infection is causing harm at this point. 6:13:47 If they're above 1,000, it's reasonable to go on spike detoxification, recheck the blood level in six or 12 months, and make sure it's going down. 6:13:54 We'd like to see about a 20% drop there. 6:13:57 in the antibody level as a proxy that the spike protein is getting out of the body. 6:14:01 These infrared saunas are very inexpensive. 6:14:04 People can set them up. 6:14:05 They're like little teepees in their house and they can go in there and actually sweat. 6:14:09 But I've done this. 6:14:10 I've treated thousands of patients reliably. 6:14:12 We're collating the data the best we can without funding to put this all together. 6:14:17 But I'll say the converse. 6:14:20 I haven't seen anyone get better if they don't get rid of the spike protein. 6:14:24 They're just miserable forever. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
6:14:26 Thank you. 6:14:26 Before I turn it back over to Mr. Buckley, I want to thank you for taking the time to come all the way up here and give us a different perspective. 6:14:34 That's why we're doing these hearings, is to give people information and then let them decide what they think they should do with it. 6:14:40 So, Mr. Buckley? Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:14:43 Yeah. 6:14:46 The online audience, people watching, didn't see that Dr. McCullough got a standing ovation. 6:14:53 And Dr. McCullough, I 6:14:54 I think that's because you've just been so tireless in totally speaking what the research shows. 6:15:04 And you've made it so clear that, you know, you're willing to share your expertise with several people. 6:15:10 My understanding is, you know, one of your Canadian patients attended in the audience. 6:15:16 And so it's just you're very well respected in the community. 6:15:20 And I just wanted... 6:15:21 those online that didn't know, like, why did we stop and why was this clapping? 6:15:26 There was literally a standing ovation for you, which is well-deserved. 6:15:31 We're absolutely honoured. 6:15:32 I did want to just pursue one more area that nobody has touched on, and that's, you know, what some people call calamari, and it's just you're an internist and you're a cardiologist, and there's been report after report after report that 6:15:48 Funeral homes when they're basically preparing bodies are finding these pieces that they describe as calamari within patients. 6:15:57 Can you just share with us about that briefly? Speaker 26 — Dr. Peter McCullough
6:16:02 The spike protein is found in blood clots. 6:16:04 The spike protein can stimulate blood clot formation even in the absence of platelets. 6:16:09 We've never seen a protein that is this procoagulant. 6:16:13 The spike protein is amyloid genic, meaning it can fold. 6:16:18 And I showed you the one slide where it's folding. 6:16:20 And when proteins fold, they become rubbery. 6:16:23 That's called amyloid. 6:16:25 There's about three dozen proteins that can do this in the human body or with various disease processes. 6:16:31 But the spike protein is amyloid genic. 6:16:34 And so when large amounts of spike protein are in blood clots, they fold. 6:16:37 They attract even more blood clot formation. 6:16:40 And the blood clot is physically rubbery. 6:16:43 Hmm. 6:16:43 Now, in a report by Tom Haviland, about 70% of morticians have seen this, and there's finding large blood clots in the deceased in about 23% of the deceased, vaccinated and unvaccinated. 6:16:59 This is very important. 6:17:00 That means the spike protein is in us and probably all of us are somewhat prone to blood clotting. 6:17:06 Normally, blood liquefies at death and it's easily when the vessels are cannulated, the blood's drained out and then the body is embalmed. 6:17:13 But they're actually having to pull out these large blood clots that's been described as calamari. 6:17:17 But I've had a patient who's not here today, but he's Canadian and he's a semi-pro hockey player. 6:17:25 He had a massive blood clot in his leg after taking the vaccine. 6:17:28 It shot to his lungs, ruined his hockey career, and he was taking blood thinners, going nowhere because the blood clot was not resolving. 6:17:38 I put him on the detox protocol hard at high doses. 6:17:42 It took two years, no surgery needed. 6:17:46 Finally, we did serial ultrasounds. 6:17:48 The blood clots are all finally gone, gone completely. 6:17:52 And I was able to take him off the blood thinners and clear him to return to pro hockey. 6:17:57 So it can be done. 6:17:58 My point is for the vaccine injured, if you've been sick and had a problem for two or three years, it's going to take two or three years of treatment for recovery, to full recovery. 6:18:07 He's going to be back being a hockey superstar. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:18:10 Right. 6:18:10 Now, this is important. 6:18:12 And it's actually one of the reasons why we wanted you on the final day is so that people can understand that actually there are solutions. 6:18:21 They just haven't been told about them. 6:18:23 And they've been left to believe that they're on their own and they've left to believe that nobody will help them. 6:18:30 But hopefully that's going to change because there are protocols that help. 6:18:36 They're not quick, but there's science there to explain what's going on and then some clear solutions. 6:18:46 So are there many doctors like yourself that understand these things? 6:18:49 I know that there are more than you, but 6:18:51 It seems to me they're very few in number. Speaker 26 — Dr. Peter McCullough
6:18:53 There's still very few in number that the naturopathic holistic integrative branch of medicine, which is growing, has embraced this. 6:19:02 But I think there are too many injured. 6:19:04 The population is too big. 6:19:06 And I concur with your sentiments. 6:19:08 People have to take matters into their own hands. 6:19:11 They had to with acute COVID-19 infection. 6:19:14 They should with vaccine injuries. 6:19:16 Most of what I reviewed today are natural products. 6:19:18 You can get it at a natural food store, can get it on Amazon, certainly can follow me and McCullough Foundation. 6:19:27 All the work I've done, I've outlined these protocols. 6:19:29 We have peer-reviewed papers to support everything we're doing. 6:19:32 We're collecting more data. 6:19:34 I think everybody should honestly take action into their own hands. 6:19:38 One of the things we noticed that I noticed in these testimonies was a dependence. 6:19:43 So the vaccine injured said, well, I'm dependent on the doctor and the doctor didn't do anything to me. 6:19:48 I'm dependent on the government for something. 6:19:50 I think here's a paradigm shift. 6:19:52 People have to take matters into their own hands. 6:19:55 They have to be dependent on themselves. 6:19:57 If they have to cross the border for a blood test, do it. 6:20:00 If they have to start working with natural products, they're going to fundamentally deal with this problem. 6:20:05 Do it. 6:20:06 And then hopefully agencies will come along and there'll be a change of view on this. 6:20:12 We'll start to see bona fide research and get people out of this problem. 6:20:16 But certainly taking more vaccines has to stop because our children right now don't stand a chance. 6:20:22 If we're knee deep into this, I can't imagine how much spike protein is in these children right now. 6:20:27 Probably they have very good libraries of antibodies and they're neutralizing all this stuff. 6:20:32 But sooner or later, the antibodies fatigue from neutralizing IgG1 and 2 to useless IgG4. 6:20:40 That's going to allow the spike protein to roam free and start to damage these kids maybe in years to come. 6:20:45 I'm greatly concerned that Canada is still vaccinating children and has to stop. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:20:50 And then final, I thought I had a final question, but you've kind of created another question with it is, so I found it a little alarming that you're saying you're finding large amounts of spike protein in both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. 6:21:06 Now, why would there today 6:21:09 B spike protein in the unvaccinated because they should have cleared that virus years ago. Speaker 26 — Dr. Peter McCullough
6:21:16 When the virus in the unvaccinated person, when it docks with the ACE2 receptor, part of the spike protein is sacrificed, the S2 segment. 6:21:23 The S1 segment gets in the body and the body knows it's foreign. 6:21:27 So it tries to wall it off in exosomes or in actually in certain blood cells, CD16 monocyte. 6:21:33 And Bruce Patterson at Nincel DX has shown this. 6:21:36 The human body has a hard time getting rid of this spike protein. 6:21:39 So it's possible that someone could have had COVID two or three times. 6:21:43 Some people are very prone to this infection and they could have actually been loaded through serial infections over time. 6:21:50 There is a bona fide. 6:21:52 It was just a paper and jam on this. 6:21:53 There is a bona fide reservoir. 6:21:55 There are some people where the virus sets up shop and continues to replicate in the human body for months. 6:22:01 So they can get super loaded with this. 6:22:04 So there is a real long COVID syndrome in the unvaccinated for sure. 6:22:09 But if we were to quantitate it, compared to the natural infection, the vaccine is 10 to maybe 1,000-fold more spike protein. 6:22:19 It's way more in the vaccinated. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:22:22 Thank you. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
6:22:22 Dr. McCullough, it's just been an honor having you take the Ellison Inquiry. 6:22:30 So our next witness is Dianne Spaulding. 6:22:35 Dianne, will you take the Bible in your right hand, please? Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:22:43 Dianne Spaulding, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:22:50 I do. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:22:53 Dianne, I want to introduce you to the inquiry. 6:22:57 You're 61 now, which means you were 56 at the time of these events. 6:23:03 And you've got two children. 6:23:07 You now have to live with one of your sons, your oldest son. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:23:13 I do live with my eldest son at the moment, yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:23:16 You were a lab technician in health care. 6:23:19 You were very healthy. 6:23:20 You did biking, hiking, going for walks. 6:23:22 You like to travel. 6:23:24 You love to spend time with the grandkids. 6:23:26 Good health. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:23:28 Fairly good health, yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:23:30 And then on April 23, 2021, you took your first and only COVID vaccine, which was AstraZeneca. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:23:38 That's correct. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:23:38 Can you share with us what happened? Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:23:42 Yeah. 6:23:42 So I decided I would, you know, do the right thing and, you know, get my shot. 6:23:50 So I headed off to the Rexall Pharmacy inside Mount Sinai Hospital. 6:23:56 And I decided to take the AstraZeneca. 6:23:59 That was the one that was available at the rollout at that time for my age category. 6:24:05 So I actually 6:24:07 I actually was a little bit nervous because I had actually heard on the news about the vaccine-induced thrombosopenia that was happening. 6:24:16 But when I got to the pharmacy and I talked to the pharmacist, she said, when I mentioned it, she said, no, that's extremely, extremely rare. 6:24:24 No worries. 6:24:25 It's safe and effective. 6:24:26 You have no issue. 6:24:27 You have nothing to worry about. 6:24:29 So, yeah. 6:24:31 So that's what I did. 6:24:32 I took it. 6:24:33 So. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:24:35 And what happened? Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:24:38 So the next day I woke up and I was, I was pretty sick, just, you know, like the flu, you know, I had a fever, chills, body aches, pains, just like you would with the flu. 6:24:49 And that lasted for about three days. 6:24:51 I was in bed for about three days. 6:24:54 But on the fifth day, I developed a bleed on my lower arm. 6:25:01 And that was alarming, especially after 6:25:04 hearing about the thrombocypenia, I was like, uh-oh. 6:25:09 So I thought, oh boy, I said, okay, this isn't normal. 6:25:13 I better, you know, I'll go to Emerge. 6:25:16 I'll get my blood work done. 6:25:18 I'll see what my platelet count is because, you know, my platelet count actually has always been a little bit elevated. 6:25:25 No reason, just always a little bit elevated. 6:25:28 So it always had around five to 600, okay? 6:25:33 So when I got there and I told them about it and they looked at it and they did blood work and it came back that my platelet count was just around four. 6:25:47 So, and I had my blood work done 6:25:50 about a month before that, and my platelet count was at 600. 6:25:53 And now it was at 400. 6:25:56 Now, 400 is actually within normal range. 6:26:02 So no red flags, no alarms went off. 6:26:06 But I said to them, look, I normally have high platelets, you know, or elevated platelets. 6:26:13 So now they're being pulled down by 200. 6:26:17 So that would make sense that I have this 6:26:20 bleed on my lower arm. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:26:24 But isn't 400 still like maybe it's in the normal range? Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:26:28 Well, I mean, it's within normal range. 6:26:32 But for me, I don't know because I naturally have elevated platelet counts. 6:26:40 So it was definitely pulled down. 6:26:42 It was definitely in two weeks or whatever it was or three weeks that I had my last blood work done by the doctor. 6:26:51 That was just a routine checkup, but it got pulled down by 200. 6:26:55 I don't know if that's normal, but, you know, seeing the bleed made me, you know, a little bit, you know, apprehensive. 6:27:04 Like it made me, you know, worry a little bit that, oh no, you know, maybe my platelet count is, you know, dropping. 6:27:11 So anyway, they did bleed blood work. 6:27:15 I said to them, I said, 6:27:17 I think, oh, and I had my arm was, I had a really bad rash on my arm. 6:27:22 It was, I think you had yours, but my arm was really swollen and red. 6:27:28 And anyway, they just said, oh, you've definitely had a really good reaction to the vaccine. 6:27:36 A good reaction, they called it. 6:27:42 And I said, well, 6:27:43 I said, you know, I don't really feel, you know, I mean, I've got this lower, I've got this bleed on my arm. 6:27:48 Like, do you want to give me some, like, intravenous immunoglobulin or something to tamper down the response? 6:27:55 And they looked at me like I had four heads. 6:27:57 Like, they just looked at me like, what are you talking about? 6:28:01 What's this IVIG you're talking about? 6:28:03 No idea. 6:28:05 And anyway, they said, well, you know, nothing we can do. 6:28:08 Sorry about your luck. 6:28:09 Sent me home. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:28:11 Now, my understanding is you're also developing in your hands and legs. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:28:18 Oh, yeah. 6:28:18 So it was about a week after that I started getting bruising. 6:28:23 And the bruising was, like, all over my body in areas you don't expect to get bruising. 6:28:29 And it was just everywhere. 6:28:30 I started getting bleeding ducts under my skin called petechiae, more bleeding spots everywhere. 6:28:40 I started getting pins and needles in my hands and in my feet. 6:28:45 And that feeling of pins and needles was going up my arms and up my legs. 6:28:52 I didn't know what the heck was going on. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:28:54 Can I just slow you down on that? 6:28:57 Let's say on your arms, like how far is this going up? Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:29:01 The pins and needles? 6:29:02 Yeah. 6:29:03 It was going up to about my elbow and then up to about my knees. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:29:07 And when you say pins and needles, it's like, 6:29:10 Most of us have, like, laid on an arm or something. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:29:13 Exactly. 6:29:14 You fall asleep on your arm and you wake up and you're taking it out. 6:29:17 Like, it's exactly like that. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:29:19 Okay. 6:29:20 Which is really uncomfortable. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:29:22 It's very uncomfortable. 6:29:24 And I just kept rubbing my arms and my legs. 6:29:26 And I'd say to my husband, why don't we go out for a walk and maybe, you know. 6:29:30 But, yeah, no, it continued. 6:29:32 Yeah. 6:29:34 So... 6:29:35 After that, my vision actually started getting blurry when we were going out for walks. 6:29:40 I couldn't see people's faces. 6:29:43 I completely couldn't see. 6:29:45 My vision was very, very blurry. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:29:48 So let me just slow you there down again. 6:29:52 So you're out for a walk, and people are walking by, and we intuitively look at their faces. 6:29:58 I think we subconsciously do an assessment of them. 6:30:02 It's just, it's a blurry... 6:30:04 Would you be able to recognize people you knew walking by? Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:30:08 No, no. 6:30:09 And I kept saying to my husband, is it just me or do you see people's faces? 6:30:15 I can't see people's faces, you know. 6:30:18 It was very strange. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:30:20 I understand that you were also starting to get vibrations in your chest. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:30:26 Yeah, yeah. 6:30:27 So then that started. 6:30:29 It felt like a cell phone going off in my chest. 6:30:37 I started getting tremors in my right hand and in my legs. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:30:44 Before we go there, I want to show some pictures about your skin. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:30:48 Oh, yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:30:49 David, can you pull up? 6:30:54 Can you walk us through these? Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:30:56 The first picture is a bleed. 6:30:57 That's the bleed that was on my lower arm when I went to 6:31:02 when I went to emerge the first time. 6:31:04 The second picture, I had all these splinter hemorrhages under my nails. 6:31:10 That was all the bruising and that was my arm. 6:31:14 You can see the reaction on my arm and then just more bruising and bleeding. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:31:20 Okay, David, do you want to go to the next one? Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:31:26 Tell us about this. 6:31:29 Yeah, my skin was peeling. 6:31:31 Just peel. 6:31:32 It would just peel. 6:31:34 The skin would just peel off. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:31:36 So you're not picking that up? Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:31:37 No, no. 6:31:38 It would just peel. 6:31:39 Yeah, my skin would just peel off. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:31:42 Okay. 6:31:43 And the next photograph? Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:31:46 Yeah. 6:31:47 I don't know what that was. 6:31:48 It was on the back of my legs. 6:31:53 It was actually purple. 6:31:54 So... Yeah. 6:31:58 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:32:00 So it was more darker than the photograph is showing. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:32:04 Yeah, it looked really purple, actually. 6:32:06 It was very purple. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:32:09 Okay. 6:32:10 So I just wanted us to see those before we moved on to the tremors. 6:32:15 So do you want to tell us about the tremors? Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:32:19 Yeah. 6:32:20 Okay. 6:32:20 So anyways, yeah. 6:32:21 So I had, oh, yeah, and I had light noise sensitivity tremors. 6:32:26 That started and I just, I had to like close the blinds. 6:32:30 I couldn't handle any light at all. 6:32:32 Any bit of noise drove me crazy. 6:32:35 I had to be in complete darkness and no sound at all. 6:32:40 So I had that. 6:32:41 And then, yeah, so the tremor started in my right hand and in my lower legs and in my head and 6:32:53 That was very alarming to me because I was like, what the heck is going on? 6:32:56 Like, do I have Parkinson's now? 6:33:00 So it was very scary. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:33:02 So again, let's just slow this down. 6:33:04 So your hands, like. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:33:07 My one hand, the one that the injection went in. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:33:11 It would just shake. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:33:13 Yeah, it would. 6:33:14 Yeah, it would just, it was, yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:33:16 And you were not able to stop shaking. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:33:20 um not really i mean how how long like i mean if you held your hand in your other hand you know but you could still feel it on the inside and how long would this last for just a few minutes just a few minutes my head would bob so your head when it would shake my head would bob like yeah it would be bobbing and how long would that last when it started 6:33:48 I don't, I don't, I don't actually remember. 6:33:50 I, you know, I, um, a few minutes, a few minutes at a time, probably. 6:33:57 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:33:58 What do you think is going on at this point and how are you reacting? 6:34:01 Like just how you. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:34:02 Oh, I was terrified. 6:34:03 I was, I mean, the extreme fatigue started setting in and I actually spent three months in bed. 6:34:10 I could not get out of bed. 6:34:11 I, I, 6:34:13 I'd fall asleep and I'd wake up in the morning and I'd say to my husband, I didn't sleep. 6:34:17 Like, I didn't sleep. 6:34:20 And I had this rumble feeling when I was sitting down the one day on the couch. 6:34:31 It felt like an earthquake in my head. 6:34:33 Like it literally felt like an earthquake in my head. 6:34:37 And right after that, I had a drugged feeling. 6:34:42 Like somebody had drugged me and that has never gone away, the drug feeling. 6:34:49 I've had it ever since. 6:34:52 Nothing is clear in my head. 6:34:53 It's just like something stuffed inside my head and I'm drugged. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:34:58 So you even have that feeling now? Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:35:02 I do. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:35:03 So this is a permanent thing where you kind of feel like there's cotton or something stuck in your head and you're drugged. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:35:12 Yeah. 6:35:12 I'm just, yeah. 6:35:14 Yeah. 6:35:15 So, yeah. 6:35:16 So I, so I ended up spending the summer, I guess most of the summer I spent, I spent in bed, but during this time I decided, 6:35:26 because I went back, actually, I went back to the hospital when the tremors started. 6:35:29 That's when I had that earthquake feeling in my head. 6:35:32 I actually went back to Mount Sinai and I said, you know, like, this is getting worse. 6:35:37 You know, I've got these pins and needles now and all these other symptoms, you know, it's definitely from, it's from the vaccine, you know, and they actually stuck me in this makeshift area and it had other vaccine injured people in it. 6:35:53 So when I got there, I'm like, 6:35:54 are you guys vaccine injured? 6:35:57 Why are they shoving us behind this curtain in this room? 6:36:04 And nobody was saying anything, but I knew. 6:36:06 But anyway, they did a CT scan, and it came back inconclusive. 6:36:10 There was nothing. 6:36:11 They couldn't see anything. 6:36:13 And they said, we think you have anxiety, and we'd like to send you for a psych consults. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:36:22 Right. 6:36:23 So those pictures to me showed real anxiety, especially your hands peeling. 6:36:28 So I'm being facetious completely. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:36:30 I understand. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:36:32 That's what's so curious is you're showing physical symptoms and they're suggesting that it's anxiety. 6:36:41 How did that make you feel? Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:36:48 Angry. 6:36:48 I had a lot of emotions. 6:36:51 I mean... 6:36:53 It's really hard to go through all these symptoms and not know what is going on. 6:37:00 You don't have a diagnosis. 6:37:02 You can't move forward. 6:37:03 You don't know what's happening to you. 6:37:07 And there is nobody that believes that you've got something wrong with you. 6:37:14 It's anxiety. 6:37:16 You need to see a psychiatrist. 6:37:20 because i actually believed it i actually thought oh hey i guess yeah i've never had i've never had like anxiety like this in my life of course you're anxious who wouldn't be anxious you're going to the hospital with tremors and internal vibrations and all these other symptoms and what we're supposed to be happy about it like of course we're going to be anxious of course we're going to be scared 6:37:48 So yeah, okay, sure. 6:37:50 I was anxious, but you know, I also needed a site consult, so. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:37:58 It's just interesting because most of us, some of us haven't gone through a serious health journey, but I think those that have and those that can imagine it, we kind of expect that our caregivers are going to be very attentive, very sympathetic, because that's part of the healing and encouragement process 6:38:18 And that we would be confident that they're trying to figure out what's going on and then treating us to the best of their ability. 6:38:24 But you've been watching these proceedings and you're sharing the same thing is that that's not happening at all. 6:38:32 It's almost like they just want you to go away because they can't touch you. 6:38:37 And in your case, you got a letter from the Toronto Health that I found shocking because 6:38:46 you've got physical harm, you are basically reporting being disabled, and you get a letter from Toronto Public Health which tells you to get the second shot. 6:38:57 David, can you pull that up? 6:38:58 I don't know if we're going to be able to read it or not on this small screen. 6:39:01 Yes, we can. 6:39:03 So, yeah, so this is just the letter and the recommendations. 6:39:10 And this is from Sukana Balachandran. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:39:13 That was my family doctor at the time. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:39:15 Right. 6:39:16 So the recommendations, so the TPH is Toronto Public Health, right? Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:39:20 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:39:20 So TPH recommends this client receives a second dose of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine as soon as possible, if not already done, especially in the context of the circulating Delta virus. 6:39:37 So you've basically become disabled. 6:39:41 You've got skin peeling off. 6:39:42 You're bruised all over the place. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:39:44 It says right there, brain fog, tremors, breathing. 6:39:51 It lists all of my pins and needles. 6:39:54 I don't know why it says arthritis. 6:39:57 I don't know. 6:39:58 Whatever that is, I don't know. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:39:59 Yeah, so the paragraph before. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:40:01 Brain fog, tremors, and bruising. 6:40:02 They're saying, okay, she is experiencing severe unusual events and listing them. 6:40:09 And then the recommendation is, please step up and get another one. 6:40:13 Because you're not dead yet. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:40:15 And we're seeing a pattern here. 6:40:17 I mean, another of the witnesses today got a letter in PEI from the public health office. 6:40:23 And I remember, you know, Drew yesterday, same thing. 6:40:26 Remember, she's basically disabled. 6:40:29 And three specialists got involved without her even asking if she should take her second shot. 6:40:34 And Alberta Public Health started calling her. 6:40:37 to get her second shot. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:40:38 So they were calling me too. 6:40:40 Yeah, they were, yeah, they were calling me too to get up and just like, yeah, that's not happening. 6:40:44 But, um, my, my, actually my family doctor was, she was pretty good in the beginning. 6:40:49 She sent me to a neurologist, internal medicine. 6:40:53 Um, yeah, I went to so many specialists, rheumatologists. 6:41:00 I think I went to all of them. 6:41:02 Half of them just said, why are you here? 6:41:04 Why did your doctor send me? 6:41:07 The neurologist actually was very kind and said, you know, because I actually joined the CanCov long COVID clinic study and they did all kinds of blood work and they actually ended up diagnosing me with FND, which is. 6:41:22 A joke. 6:41:23 It's just like saying you have anxiety as far as I'm concerned. 6:41:28 So when I got to the neurologist, he said, yeah, you do not have FNT. 6:41:36 You indeed have essential tremors. 6:41:39 And he said, I'm going to tell you right now, you're not the first person to come through my door with side effects from the vaccine. 6:41:47 And he said, I am so sorry this happened to you, but we don't know what to do. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:41:53 And this is Mount Sinai Hospital also apologized to you for not acknowledging vaccine injury. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:42:04 Yeah, 20 months later, I got a call from Mount Sinai. 6:42:08 It was in the evening, and he said he was the head of the emergency department, the physician of the head of the, I can't remember what he said exactly, but I think that's what he said. 6:42:23 and he called to apologize. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:42:26 And then my last thing is, you also have the experience of, because you started it, is basically starting a support group. 6:42:35 Right, so... Can you just tell us about that? 6:42:37 Because I think there's interest in the fact that vaccine-injured in Canada have to band together and support themselves. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:42:45 Yeah, so I guess it was in about, it was probably in 2022 that... 6:42:52 I created actually, I created a Canadian Facebook support group. 6:42:57 There were other ones before me and I actually, you know, being rejected by the healthcare system, I was desperate. 6:43:12 to figure out what was wrong with me. 6:43:14 And I went on social media and I actually found so many injured just like me, same symptoms, 6:43:23 A lot of us took the, in Canada anyway, took the AstraZeneca in April of 2021, and the lot numbers were the same. 6:43:34 And we all have the same symptoms. 6:43:38 That AstraZeneca vaccine was pulled a week later from the market. 6:43:45 So there's an elephant in the room there. 6:43:50 But anyway, so I... 6:43:53 found a lot of injured people just like me, we became a family. 6:43:59 And we spoke every day to each other and we confided in each other and we cried and we, you know, just tried to find, you know, treatments. 6:44:13 You know, we were doing, we had drawers and drawers full of every natural supplement you can think of. 6:44:20 When Dr. McCullough was talking about Brolane and Natto, and we had all that, you know, turmeric. 6:44:28 We had drawers of this stuff. 6:44:30 The problem was, is we didn't know how much to take when we were taking it. 6:44:38 We didn't know how long to take it for. 6:44:41 We had nobody following up and doing blood work for us. 6:44:45 So we'd start taking all these health, you know, all these supplements and everything. 6:44:50 And now what? 6:44:54 You know, so half the time we would start taking them and then we just throw them back in the drawer. 6:45:00 I do have to say that once I found silent survivors, that's one of the Canadian groups and Dallas, she's the one that heads it. 6:45:12 And she told me about a doctor 6:45:15 or she gave me information on where I could find this doctor in Toronto. 6:45:20 And I reached out to him and he got me on ivermectin. 6:45:27 And I believe he saved my life. 6:45:32 I believe he saved my life because I could not get out of bed. 6:45:38 My tremors were really bad. 6:45:41 And once I got on that ivermectin, 6:45:45 My tremors went away. 6:45:49 Most of my symptoms started to go away after I took the ivermectin. 6:45:56 Unfortunately, he couldn't follow up with me anymore because then the college was investigating him. 6:46:03 So, yeah. 6:46:09 Yeah, so by the time I started to feel 6:46:13 better I mean other than this fog in my head and I have to constantly pace myself like tomorrow I am going to be in bed after this because I still get the fatigue I can't go to a job I can't do anything on my feet for more than four hours and then that's it for me and then I'm on the couch you know like I want to be able to play with my grandkids you know 6:46:43 And my father, you know, I really wanted to be able to spend a lot of time with my dad. 6:46:53 And 6:46:56 So in the fall, around Christmas, well, just before Christmas, I was just starting to feel a little bit better. 6:47:02 And, you know, to be able to drive out and see my dad. 6:47:05 Well, not me drive, but I wasn't driving at that time. 6:47:09 But going to see my dad. 6:47:10 And he started just not feeling very good. 6:47:12 He said to me, you know, I've got this awful backache. 6:47:16 And that was probably in December. 6:47:18 In January, he went to the hospital. 6:47:20 And he was full of cancer. 6:47:22 He died in February. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:47:24 We're out of time, so I'm sorry. 6:47:26 I'm sorry to hear that about you, Dad. 6:47:29 So we have to move on to the next witness now, just time-wise. 6:47:36 Thank you so much for coming. 6:47:38 I know that you've been in touch with me and you were excited about coming and we're excited to have you. 6:47:44 And I know you voiced what difference is this going to make or what's going to happen. 6:47:53 None of us know that. Speaker 17 — Dianne Spaulding
6:47:55 None of us know. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:47:56 But I think we all know we've been changed by hearing stories like yours. 6:48:00 And I also want to thank you for coming. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:48:02 Thank you. 6:48:02 I just wanted to say one more little thing that, you know, like just for all the medical establishment, you know, try to have some compassion. 6:48:12 Compassion is, you know, the backbone. 6:48:15 You know, you can't acknowledge suffering alone. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:48:18 And it says we do have to let you go or we'll have to tell somebody else not to testify. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
6:48:24 Okay, thank you, Dianne. Speaker 27 — Dianne Spaulding
6:48:25 Thank you. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
6:48:29 So, our next witness is Lisa Watson. 6:48:33 And Lisa, will you take the Bible in your hand, please? Speaker 7 — Shawn Buckley
6:48:37 Lisa Watson. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:48:45 Lisa Watson. 6:48:47 Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, Sahab? Speaker 13 — Lisa Watson
6:48:53 Absolutely. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:48:58 And before I introduce you to the inquiry, I'll just let the inquiry know that this witness, her doctors have conclusively found that it's vaccine injury, including the, even the Vaccine Injury Support Program agrees that she's vaccine injured. 6:49:16 Lisa, you are 60, which means you were 55 at the time of what we're going to speak about. 6:49:23 You've got three adult children. 6:49:26 You worked for the Canada Revenue Agency, and nobody's going to hold that against you there. 6:49:32 Just kidding. 6:49:34 But you were in rebates, and you had just purchased an acreage. Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
6:49:38 We did. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:49:40 And you were just setting up a hobby farm. 6:49:42 You guys were in the process of getting chickens, and this is a high work. 6:49:47 getting an acreage and setting up a hobby farm, your health was good. Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
6:49:52 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:49:52 You, you know, you worked, you walked, you'd walk about three to six kilometers three times a week. 6:49:58 Yes. 6:49:58 You cooked with the family, you played darts, horseshoes, quadded, fished. 6:50:04 You loved going to the beach and collecting what is sea glass. 6:50:08 And even though you've tried to explain that to me, I still don't understand what it is. 6:50:13 But that changed. Speaker 3 — Lisa Watson
6:50:15 Yes, it did. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:50:17 On June 5th, 2021, you took your first and only vaccine, a Pfizer vaccine. 6:50:26 Can you share with us what happened? Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
6:50:28 Sure. 6:50:31 Well, we as a family decided we were not going to get the vaccines. 6:50:39 They were too new. 6:50:40 And we had other vaccines, but this one we didn't get. 6:50:45 want to do so but at that time we still had our youngest daughter in high school and I wasn't able wouldn't be able to go back to work if I didn't do it my husband worked traveling back and forth to the states and back so 6:51:12 Mostly for my daughter's sake, I decided to do this with her. 6:51:18 And so we went on June 5th and walked in and she said, Mom, she said, I have a bad feeling about this. 6:51:29 I said, what could possibly go wrong? 6:51:32 This was just a needle, right? 6:51:36 We're fine. 6:51:37 We went in, we got our shots. 6:51:40 Then they handed us a little piece of paper and said, if you have any issues, you may have, you know, flu-like symptoms. 6:51:48 If anything gets too serious, call. 6:51:53 We came home. 6:51:54 My husband and I went quadding for the day. 6:51:57 Felt fine. 6:51:58 I didn't have a sore arm. 6:51:59 There was nothing. 6:52:02 Twelve days later, I had an appointment in Summerside, so we went in. 6:52:10 And we were sitting there a little early, so my daughter was with me. 6:52:14 And we were just sitting in the truck, and I was talking to my husband on the phone. 6:52:20 And I felt my left arm go weak, noticeably weak. 6:52:29 And I said to him, he said, well, just sit. 6:52:32 Maybe it'll pass. 6:52:33 And I sat, and it wasn't passing. Speaker 13 — Lisa Watson
6:52:40 And, uh, I said, I think I'm having a stroke. Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
6:52:51 So, um, I got out of the truck and, uh, walked around and let my daughter drive me to the hospital, which was just a couple minutes away. 6:53:03 And, um, 6:53:06 We went in, and they triaged me, and they brought me right in, thinking I might have been having a heart attack, a stroke, something. 6:53:16 And so I stayed there. 6:53:21 They did blood work. 6:53:22 They hooked me up to the machines. 6:53:26 They said, I'm sorry, Mrs. Watson, but it's really busy right now. 6:53:30 Could you just go sit back out in the... 6:53:34 waiting room and it was was very busy so i sat there and as oh maybe two minutes passed and uh this tightening around the middle came across me that like somebody was tightening a belt Speaker 13 — Lisa Watson
6:54:05 So she got up and she went and got help. Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
6:54:10 And she said, I think my mother's having a heart attack. 6:54:12 Can you please help her? 6:54:16 So I went in and they took me right down to get a CT scan. 6:54:27 And I came back up and I was sitting up, I believe, 6:54:35 and I was dry, and I took another glass of bottled water and I put it in my hand to open it, and when I put it in my hand, it fell. 6:54:45 And I lost use of my hand. 6:54:49 And they said, oh my God, she's having a stroke, even though my facial, everything was fine. 6:55:01 Within probably 6:55:04 minute my left leg started spasming not spasming charlie horsing it was just it was violent the and it would last oh maybe a minute and a half to two minutes and then it would stop and when that happened the nurse i remember she was like that's not a stroke we need and the doctor 6:55:30 came in. 6:55:31 I believe there was a lot of people around me, but they didn't have an MRI machine in Summerside, so they had to take them by ambulance to Charlottetown because they knew it wasn't a stroke then. 6:55:47 They said, this isn't a stroke. 6:55:48 We don't know what it is. 6:55:50 So down we went. 6:55:54 And they put me in, took me in for an MRI, and I don't 6:56:00 have any timelines because I was it's all blur and it was then too but when I came back to a room my daughter was there my brother came in my husband was away and my sister-in-law and the neurologist finally came in and he came in he said well he said you know it's not a stroke 6:56:30 And we were quite, I was relieved. 6:56:32 And he said, well, you know, too relieved. 6:56:37 He said, it's transverse myelitis. 6:56:40 And we really don't know what we're dealing with because we don't see it a whole lot. 6:56:47 So they put me on a couple different, I have, I'm a brain fog person. 6:56:58 Oh, you don't have to. 6:57:00 I know my medications, but they did put me on basically muscle relaxers to help with that for the spasms, which. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:57:11 But you still have the spasms to this day. Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
6:57:13 Oh, absolutely. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:57:15 And you also still have that tightening around your midsection. Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
6:57:19 Yes, I do. 6:57:20 I have. 6:57:21 Well, I was just on the one medication in the hospital. 6:57:25 The whatever it is. 6:57:28 one little pill and it wasn't enough so after I came home and then I went to see the neurologist he and told him that it wasn't enough he gave me another gabapentin so and then basically you became a bit of a paradox didn't you because you had your left side Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:57:53 You lost movement. Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
6:57:54 Well, I remember the one thing I do remember when I got to the hospital before I left Summerside, I needed to use the washroom and I was able to get up and use the washroom. 6:58:05 When I got to Charlottetown, which is an hour and a half, roughly, and I had to use the washroom again, I couldn't walk. 6:58:18 I lost all mobility. 6:58:22 in my legs. 6:58:23 I, I couldn't walk at all. 6:58:26 Um, and I had to learn that all again. 6:58:31 And then we realized when I was there in physio, I was in the hospital for 10 weeks in Charlottetown and, uh, that I have all feeling on the left side of my body and on the right side of my body, I have no, um, 6:58:53 sensations, hot or cold, pain. 6:58:57 I can feel if somebody pushes on it. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:59:00 And that was the paradox. 6:59:02 So you were paralyzed on the left side, but you could feel everything. Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
6:59:06 Oh, yeah, I could feel everything. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:59:07 You could move the right side, but you couldn't feel anything. Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
6:59:10 Which was really unnerving because that was part of the problem with me learning to walk because I couldn't feel. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:59:17 Yeah, let's show up. 6:59:18 David, do you want to pull up? 6:59:19 We have a video. 6:59:21 And this is you learning to walk. Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
6:59:24 I don't think anybody in my family has seen this. 6:59:27 I've never shared it, but you go right ahead. 6:59:30 I gave it to you. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
6:59:30 So there you go. 6:59:31 It'll be a learning journey for your husband here. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
6:59:36 So David, yeah, pull up that video for us. Speaker 13 — Shawn Buckley
6:59:43 It's 49. 6:59:44 She's witness 49. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
6:59:56 Oh, I'm sorry, it's 50. 6:59:58 We're at Lisa Watson. 7:00:00 So while David's doing that, let's talk about kind of where you are today. Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
7:00:19 Well, if you've seen me walk around the halls, I do use a walker. 7:00:26 I came home in a wheelchair, but I quickly got rid of that and used the walker around the house. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
7:00:44 So you can't walk without a walker? Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
7:00:46 No. 7:00:48 If I hang on to walls or if I hang on to, you know, I tried to use a cane, but it's just too unstable for me. 7:00:59 Because I also have now dropped foot. 7:01:02 That was when these spasms were happening. 7:01:07 They would straighten my foot out and I lost all movement in my left foot. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
7:01:13 I think we're ready for that video now. Speaker 2 — Lisa Watson
7:01:21 After a couple of weeks of me in physio. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:02:08 So this is a video of you basically learning to walk with a walker. Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
7:02:13 Like I said, that was about two weeks after. 7:02:16 I had a brace on to hold my foot up. 7:02:25 And the one I got after, well, even that one, I broke my ankle years ago, so I have... 7:02:34 pins and plates. 7:02:35 So it's very uncomfortable to wear that. 7:02:38 It hurts because I have all feeling in that side of my body. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
7:02:48 Right. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:02:48 And so, I mean, this is, this is really you becoming completely disabled and needing to be hospitalized. Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
7:02:57 Yes. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:02:58 And the chief medical officer 7:03:02 Dr. Heather Morrison, wanted you to get a second shot. Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
7:03:08 Absolutely. 7:03:09 My family doctor was amazing. 7:03:15 And he sent off an exemption. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:03:21 A request for an exemption. 7:03:23 Because you had to apply to the chief medical officer. Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
7:03:25 Yes. 7:03:27 And she refused. 7:03:32 that saying that, I forget the wording right now, but basically she doesn't have to get the Pfizer vaccine, but we strongly recommend her have, and for him to discuss with me the benefits of getting the AstraZeneca one. 7:03:54 And the funny thing was, that was one for blood clots that they were pulling 7:04:01 And I have AFib. 7:04:06 So it certainly didn't make sense. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:04:08 Right, because it's contraindicated. Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
7:04:10 Yes. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
7:04:13 What has been the most difficult part of this? Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
7:04:23 Not being able to be who I was. 7:04:27 Not looking at myself and not seeing me. 7:04:30 as far as I liked to entertain. 7:04:37 I always was the one that would cook the big dinners and have the... 7:04:45 But even more than that, I have five granddaughters that are all fairly young. 7:04:54 And not one of them will remember who I was before this vaccine Speaker 13 — Lisa Watson
7:05:05 they do not know who I am or who I was. Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
7:05:10 And I try not to be that person that lets it defy who I am. 7:05:20 I will not allow this to defy who I am. 7:05:24 But sometimes it's hard. 7:05:26 Thank God I have a husband that's as supportive 7:05:32 as he is, and the kids have been amazing. 7:05:47 I guess I'm disappointed. 7:05:49 I'm disappointed in, we wanted this little hobby farm. 7:05:54 And the day, a couple of days before I bought my first shipment 7:06:02 little baby chickens came in. 7:06:04 And I didn't get to raise them. 7:06:09 You know, I didn't get to go collect the barn or the eggs or the, and everything else just died with it. 7:06:19 I guess it just, it didn't break my spirit. 7:06:23 My spirit will not be broken. 7:06:27 But it took, it did take something from me. 7:06:30 Took something from my husband. 7:06:31 You know, our life is not how we envisioned. 7:06:38 He had to stop his work, doing what he did to be home closer. 7:06:44 My daughter had to move back. 7:06:48 And she lived in Alberta. 7:06:51 So, you know, it changed all of our lives drastically. Speaker 13 — Lisa Watson
7:06:57 And it's disappointing. Speaker 2 — MP Dean Allison
7:07:04 Lisa, thank you so much. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
7:07:06 That was going to be my question in terms of, I know you've got lots of support at home. Speaker 29 — Lisa Watson
7:07:10 I do. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
7:07:11 And I was going to ask you how that made you feel about the future, and you just sort of touched on it. 7:07:17 You just were explaining that some of the things you'd hoped and aspired for has changed as a result of that. 7:07:23 Did you want to add anything else to that? Speaker 28 — Lisa Watson
7:07:26 I don't think so. 7:07:28 I do want to thank you. 7:07:32 for validating us, allowing us here. 7:07:36 So I didn't know there was so many. 7:07:40 You know, when this first happened, I knew there was the odd one. 7:07:45 And you just feel that you're a one-off. 7:07:49 Took one for the team. 7:07:50 That's what I would tell people. 7:07:53 And yeah, it's a lot. Speaker 13 — Lisa Watson
7:07:57 And this has been very helpful. Speaker 2 — MP Dean Allison
7:08:02 Thank you. 7:08:03 Thank you, Lisa. 7:08:03 Thank you very much. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
7:08:09 So our next witness is Robert Denesiuk. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:08:16 Robert, will you take the Bible in your right hand? 7:08:23 And did I pronounce your last name properly? 7:08:25 Denesiuk. 7:08:27 Denesiuk? 7:08:29 Denesiuk. 7:08:32 Robert Danisuk, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? Speaker 3 — Robert Denesiuk
7:08:41 I do. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:08:43 I just want to introduce you to the inquiry. 7:08:47 You're 56 years of age. 7:08:52 You have a pre-existing mental illness. 7:08:55 You have what's called schizoaffective disorder bipolar disorder. 7:09:03 which means that you can have both schizophrenic symptoms or bipolar symptoms or both at the same time. Speaker 3 — Robert Denesiuk
7:09:12 That's correct. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:09:15 And prior to what we're about to talk about, you were working half-time at what's called a RICA clubhouse. Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:09:24 That's correct. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:09:25 And you're working around 18 to 24 hours a week, and that's a place where people with mental illness can go and work, right? Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:09:32 Yeah, it's also the hangout kind of place. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:09:35 Yeah. 7:09:36 And your work was janitorial work, was what? Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:09:40 That's correct. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:09:41 Right. 7:09:43 But you had some diabetes, but you were in good health. Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:09:48 Yeah. Speaker 29 — Shawn Buckley
7:09:49 I was working around two weeks, and then all of a sudden I was falling for no reason. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:09:55 Well, we'll get into that in a sec. 7:09:57 So you get vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine. 7:10:02 And then now what you're talking about is about two weeks later, right? Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:10:06 Yeah, I was working. 7:10:09 And next thing I know, I was falling. 7:10:11 And I was supposed to work that day. 7:10:14 And I had to get put on a chair. 7:10:17 And they called for my mom to pick me up. 7:10:19 And I had two people hold on to me to get to the car. 7:10:24 So you're at work at that time, right? 7:10:27 I didn't work because I was falling on the floor. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:10:30 Right. 7:10:30 But I mean, but you're at, you're at the clubhouse. 7:10:34 And so are you just, are you walking? 7:10:38 Are you standing? 7:10:39 When is it that you, when you first fall? Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:10:42 I was just walking and I just, my feet would just give out. 7:10:48 Like it was just, I would be falling to the floor with no understanding why. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:10:54 Okay. 7:10:56 And then. 7:10:57 So you're taken to the hospital. 7:11:00 Do you go with your mom or do you go in an ambulance? Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:11:02 Well, actually, the first thing we did was we took me to my apartment. 7:11:10 I was on the recliner couch. 7:11:13 But I spent the night. 7:11:16 The next day I was paralyzed and I couldn't get off the couch. 7:11:22 And I had to call my mom to come. 7:11:25 And then we called the ambulance and they had to put me on a stretcher to the hospital. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:11:32 Right. 7:11:33 So you fall asleep in the, it's a reclining chair, right? 7:11:36 Like a lousy boy type thing? Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:11:38 Yeah, it's the only thing I could get onto at the time. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:11:42 Right. 7:11:43 So you fall asleep and you sleep the night, but in the morning you sleep. 7:11:49 You're basically paralyzed. 7:11:50 You can't move your legs, right? Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:11:52 Yeah, I couldn't move my right leg more than three inches in my last six inches. 7:11:57 And I ended up in an emergency at Columbus Valley Regional Hospital. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:12:03 I'm just going to slow you down again. 7:12:04 So how are you reacting to that inside? 7:12:09 Like, are you scared? 7:12:11 I didn't know what to think. Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:12:13 Like, it was like all of a sudden, like... 7:12:19 no one ever told me anything about the, the, um, dangers of the, uh, vaccine. 7:12:28 And, um, I didn't understand why it was, what was going on at all. 7:12:34 And, uh, it was, um, uh, actually no one knew at the time and went to the emergency and the 7:12:48 the emergency doctor had to phone Victoria to the neurologist and they diagnosed me with Guillain-Barré syndrome and I was in the hospital for a while and then they they were trying to get a bed at Royal Jubilee Hospital in Victoria first bed I have and 7:13:19 I remember the ambulance ride, it was no shocks. 7:13:28 Oh, really? 7:13:29 Yeah, so I felt every bump on the way to the door. 7:13:33 And and I they were they had like a safety pin and they had like a oscilloscope and 7:13:48 They were doing, I'm not sure what they were doing, but they were trying to get, see, with movement, they were telling me to move my legs. 7:14:04 I couldn't move them anymore. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:14:06 And I just back up. 7:14:07 So you're taken from Comox to Victoria. Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:14:11 Yeah, that's about a three-hour drive. 7:14:12 Right. 7:14:13 And you actually ended up, Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:14:15 You were in about three different hospitals, but you spent about six and a half months. 7:14:21 In the hospital. 7:14:22 In the hospital. 7:14:24 And what type of an experience was that, all of a sudden having to basically live in a hospital? Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:14:32 Well, in that time period, I had to relearn how to stand up. 7:14:40 I had to use the wheelchair. 7:14:45 And then from the wheelchair, when I went to Nanaimo in physiotherapy, I had to learn how to use the locker. 7:14:56 And it enhanced my prayer life, I could tell you that. 7:15:09 Because, you know, I just, I went, 7:15:15 in that time period, I went from 190 pounds to 130 pounds. 7:15:19 I had to, I, uh, I, I was weak and, uh, I had to gain weight and, um, I had friends, family, and preachers come down there and basically everybody thought I was going to be dead. 7:15:38 And, um, it's, you know, it just was the grace of God that, uh, 7:15:45 I'm not, you know. 7:15:47 And it's just, yeah, I had a personal trainer that giving up was not an answer. 7:16:04 And the people in the hospital gave up on me, but she wouldn't. 7:16:13 She pushed, yeah. 7:16:16 What do you mean the people in the hospital gave up on you? 7:16:21 Yeah, in Colorado Regional Hospital, they said that I didn't belong to go there, but Paula wouldn't take that as an answer. 7:16:32 She said, he's gone. 7:16:35 And she kept it going even when I was sick. 7:16:45 tough times just go into, like, you know, when it was a tough road to get back on your feet, she wouldn't take no as an answer. 7:17:01 And she got to go and, like, she sort of was like a sergeant major. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:17:10 Right. 7:17:11 Can you tell us about 7:17:14 How tough it was? Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:17:16 It was like they were rebuilding the hospital at the time, and they had a bunch of things in the hallway, and there were people in wheelchairs whizzing by, and I felt unstable on my feet on the walker. 7:17:35 And I was afraid of falling. Speaker 29 — Shawn Buckley
7:17:41 It wasn't an easy road. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:17:47 When people were thinking that you were going to die, were you afraid? Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:17:52 No. 7:17:53 No, I had faith in Jesus. 7:17:59 I've been through a lot in different times, like near-death experiences. 7:18:07 He was always there. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
7:18:12 He is always there. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:18:15 So you had to first learn to be able to stand. 7:18:21 And what was the name of this lady that wouldn't give up on you again? Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:18:25 Paula. 7:18:26 Paula. 7:18:26 I'm not sure of the last name. 7:18:28 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:18:28 But Paula, you were going to stand. 7:18:33 She wasn't going to take no for an answer, right? 7:18:35 No. 7:18:38 And then you were going to get in that wheelchair. 7:18:40 Sure. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
7:18:41 Yeah. 7:18:43 And then you were going to learn to use the walker. 7:18:48 And that took six and a half months. Speaker 13 — Robert Denesiuk
7:18:50 Yeah. Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:18:52 And it went, yeah, I just, I lost a ton of weight. 7:19:02 Then I gained it back gradually in that time period. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:19:08 Now you've done really well since then. Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:19:12 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:19:13 So, cause you, um, you're, you're walking a bit on your own. 7:19:18 Like you have days where you have to use a walker, but you have days where you're okay without a walker. Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:19:23 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:19:26 So, um, sometimes you fall and you need to go back to the hospital, but you're doing better, right? Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:19:32 Yeah. 7:19:33 I, I think I've been between four and six months without going back to the hospital. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:19:41 And you are back at work a little bit now, right? Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:19:44 Yeah. 7:19:46 I was starting to kind of wobble my legs, so I took a little time off, but I'm hoping to get back soon. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:19:56 Yeah. 7:19:56 And you can't work as much, but you're working a couple hours a week. Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:20:00 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:20:02 And you need a bar on the wall now for showering. Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:20:05 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:20:06 And you, you know, you couldn't crawl in or out of a, 7:20:10 have a bathtub, but the real issue for you is getting dressed, like doing things like putting socks on, right? Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:20:17 Yeah, I have a carriage that come in the morning and at night give me pills because sometimes I shake. 7:20:25 And yeah, so I just, but other than that, sometimes, like there was times I think, 7:20:38 Well, the last two years I've been working at the Salvation Army at the kettles, when kettle season's on. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:20:48 Right, in the Christmas season when it's kettle time, you do the kettles. Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:20:52 I sit on the walker and ring the bells. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:20:56 Right. 7:20:57 Now, you're not able to put socks on, right? 7:21:00 That's the big challenge? Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:21:02 Yeah, it is. 7:21:03 Well... 7:21:08 I could if I put my foot in the chair and hopefully not fall once. 7:21:13 Right. 7:21:13 With the balance, but I don't usually push it too far, but I did do it when I first came and I wanted breakfast. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:21:24 Right. 7:21:24 And that's why you have a carry come in. 7:21:27 It's largely to get you dressed. Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:21:29 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:21:30 Okay. 7:21:31 But now when you were in the hospital, so you, you, Speaker 29 — Shawn Buckley
7:21:36 You can't walk. You're hospitalized. Without telling you they gave you a second shot, right? Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:21:44 Yeah, well, they didn't tell me what the dangers were. You know, they just said, you know, they didn't really tell me any of the dangers with the vaccine until a friend of mine told me all the deaths and everything that happened. They said don't get another one, so... Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:22:07 Yeah, so you didn't want one, but they gave it to you without telling you. Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:22:11 Yeah, I didn't know what the dangers were when I had the second one. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:22:18 Robert, what's been the most difficult part of this whole experience? Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:22:23 Um... See, the second year, I made it to Christmas and... Speaker 13 — Robert Denesiuk
7:22:36 My dad passed away a month later. Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:22:44 And just after that, I got the COVID-19 virus and I lost 28 pounds in 10 days. Speaker 13 — Robert Denesiuk
7:23:06 And the vaccine didn't help anything about that. Speaker 7 — Robert Denesiuk
7:23:15 And my dad was there all through that. 7:23:30 He drove... 7:23:35 It's a Victoria [inaudible]. 7:23:37 when he had lung cancer. Speaker 13 — Robert Denesiuk
7:23:42 Never once complained. 7:23:54 My parents were there. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
7:24:15 Robert, you wanted to come and testify here. Speaker 13 — Shawn Buckley
7:24:24 Why was that important to you? Speaker 29 — Robert Denesiuk
7:24:29 To let people know that the vaccine is not safe. 7:24:41 And I feel that there should be compensation for the damages done with the evil drug. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
7:25:10 Robert, I want to thank you for coming. 7:25:12 I appreciate hearing your story and you talking about, was it your trainer that said don't give up? 7:25:21 Was that who said giving up was not an option? 7:25:26 Was that an answer? 7:25:29 I think that's a great message that we all need to hear. 7:25:33 And like I said, I really appreciate you taking the time to be here. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
7:25:48 And Robert, I also know you've had a long journey. 7:25:50 You had to come from Comox, British Columbia to be here. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:25:54 And we're really thankful you came. Speaker 13 — Shawn Buckley
7:26:02 So our next witness is Jasmine Comeau. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:26:09 I'm having a day with names. 7:26:11 Jasmine, do you promise 7:26:15 to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? 7:26:21 Or do you want to swear on the Bible? Speaker 29 — Shawn Buckley
7:26:22 On the Bible. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:26:23 Okay. 7:26:25 So take the Bible in your right hand. 7:26:29 Jasmine Comeau, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? 7:26:37 So help me God. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:26:38 Yes, I do. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:26:42 Now, 7:26:44 You're 22 now and you live in St. John. 7:26:47 Yeah. 7:26:49 But before the vaccine, you were 16. 7:26:53 You were in high school. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:26:54 Yeah, I was in high school. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:26:57 And you had no health problems. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:26:59 No, I was just a little bit overweight, but I was very active. 7:27:07 I love going outside. 7:27:08 I was always hanging out, making plans with my friends. Speaker 10 — Shawn Buckley
7:27:14 spending time with my family um me and my stepdad we love doing like adventures um we like to try out new things um he was my hiking buddy and you would hike and kayak and you were into soccer and volleyball and things like that i was into um Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:27:37 but I couldn't play much during the COVID pandemic because of the lockdowns. 7:27:44 But I love playing soccer and volleyball on my own time. 7:27:49 I love kayaking. 7:27:51 It's one of my favorite things to do. 7:27:53 It's very peaceful being on the water. 7:27:55 I was very... Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:27:59 I would say I was very outgoing. Speaker 13 — Shawn Buckley
7:28:05 Now... Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:28:09 On June 17, 2021, you have your first shot. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:28:17 Yeah. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:28:18 And then on September 20, and nothing really happened after your first shot. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:28:23 Just a little sore arm, but it wasn't bad. 7:28:29 I didn't have any reactions. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:28:33 On September 22nd, 2021, you have your second shot, a Pfizer shot. 7:28:38 Can you share with us what happened after that? Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:28:45 Can I share why I took it? Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:28:48 I'm sorry? Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:28:49 Can I share why? Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:28:50 Oh, you absolutely can share why you took it. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:28:54 I took my COVID vaccine because it was... Speaker 13 — Jasmine Comeau
7:29:03 It was mandatory in school. Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:29:14 I felt very pressured to take the COVID vaccine in order to do any school events or Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:29:32 to join sports. 7:29:34 I was planning to join the volleyball team in the wintertime. 7:29:39 I needed a vaccine proof. 7:29:41 I was also in the yearbook photography team taking pictures for the sport team. 7:29:49 And in order for me to continue taking pictures, I needed my second shot. 7:29:56 And without it, I wouldn't be able to continue. 7:30:02 So on September 22, 2021, I went, my mom took me to a vaccine clinic. 7:30:18 And I remember it was very scary. 7:30:23 That was the day it became mandatory in New Brunswick. 7:30:28 And there was a long line up outside of the clinic. 7:30:32 There were people crying because they were scared of losing their job. 7:30:36 There were kids scared, like they were crying, asking their mom, what are we doing here? 7:30:45 And so yeah, I went inside and I was told to sign a piece of paper. 7:30:55 I was rushed to sign the paper. 7:30:58 I don't know what it was. 7:31:00 I didn't have to. 7:31:01 time to read the paper. 7:31:04 Once I signed it, they said, go to this table and you'll get your vaccination. 7:31:12 So I went and sat at a table and I was never told any possible side effects. 7:31:25 I was only told I could have like a sore arm and maybe like a flu-like symptom. 7:31:31 for the next few days. 7:31:33 Um, but I was never told I could be severely injured and be in a wheelchair. 7:31:41 Um, as soon as I felt the injection going down, uh, going inside my arm, I felt the back of my neck going like very stiff. 7:31:56 And, um, 7:32:00 I was a bit like the solution going down my arm. 7:32:04 They felt very cold and heavy. 7:32:06 And after that, we were told to wait 15 minutes in the waiting area. 7:32:17 And I was with my mom and we were waiting. 7:32:20 And within like 10 minutes, I would say, I started having like really big headache and 7:32:30 some pins and I start feeling the tingling feeling at the bottom of both of my feet. 7:32:38 And so I told my mom about what I'm feeling because she's a nurse. 7:32:45 And I never felt like I didn't have any of those feelings with my first vaccine. 7:32:52 So I was a little concerned, you know, now. 7:32:55 So I told my mom about it. 7:32:58 And so she 7:33:01 She immediately told one of the staff worker about my symptoms. 7:33:07 And I was told to wait 10 more minutes. 7:33:10 So we waited more. 7:33:12 And I was also told like, if it gets worse, let them know again. 7:33:20 My symptoms were not like my headache and the tingly feeling. 7:33:24 It wasn't getting worse, but it wasn't getting any better. 7:33:29 And I already had a long day at school. 7:33:32 So I just told my mom, take me home. 7:33:34 I'll just take a Tylenol and try to sleep it off. Speaker 13 — Jasmine Comeau
7:33:38 So she took me home. Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:33:48 I know. 7:33:49 I went to sleep. 7:33:52 And the next day, I woke up with weakness in my legs. 7:34:02 And within five days, I couldn't feel my legs. Speaker 13 — Jasmine Comeau
7:34:15 I couldn't feel my legs. Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:34:19 I had sharp pain going up and down my spine. 7:34:30 So my mom 7:34:33 took me to the emergency hospital. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:34:39 And the hospital, I was surprised it wasn't busy. 7:34:44 I was seen immediately. 7:34:47 And the doctor asked what brought me here today. 7:34:54 And I explained my symptoms. 7:34:58 And I said it was soon after the COVID vaccine. 7:35:03 And he immediately said, no, it's probably just a flu. 7:35:10 Go home and just take more Tylenol and you'll be fine. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:35:14 So I just want to make sure we have this clear. 7:35:18 So you at that time can't feel your legs. 7:35:22 Are you able to stand? 7:35:28 So you're a 16-year-old high school student who can't stand. 7:35:33 You've also got this headache, pins and needles. 7:35:38 I guess you don't have those anymore. 7:35:39 You can't feel anything. 7:35:41 Is this from the waist down? 7:35:44 And the doctor suggests to you that it's a flu. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:35:48 Yeah. 7:35:50 He didn't do any tests. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:35:51 No blood work? 7:35:52 No. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:35:53 No, I don't have. 7:35:55 My mom spoke up. 7:35:58 And I'm so grateful she was there. Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:36:03 She spoke up and said, no, go do something else. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:36:10 She mentioned about Guillain-Barre syndrome, which it can happen from any vaccine. 7:36:20 And the doctor looked at her and said, how do you know about this? 7:36:26 How do you know those medical terms? 7:36:29 And my mom said, because I'm a nurse. 7:36:33 And as soon as she said that, it's like I was talking to different doctors. 7:36:39 He changed his mind. 7:36:42 He's like, okay, I'm going to go do this, this test. 7:36:46 He admitted me to the hospital that night. Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:36:52 He started treating me differently because my mom says she's a nurse. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:36:59 You're never able to walk normally again. 7:37:03 Four days after. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:37:04 It's been five years now, and I'm still having my left foot drags when I tried to walk. 7:37:19 After I got admitted to the hospital, the doctors gave me steroids, which I gained the feelings back. 7:37:32 And my right leg came back good. 7:37:36 But my left leg has been very weak. 7:37:39 It drags. Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:37:41 And I'm in extreme pain every day. 7:37:48 Like today, I'm in a lot of pain. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:37:53 Is it the whole leg that's painful? Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:37:56 Pardon? Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:37:57 Is it the entire leg that's painful? Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:38:00 It depends on the base. 7:38:04 Mostly it's the foot. 7:38:07 But if I do a lot of exercise, it will be the whole leg. 7:38:14 If it's pouring outside, I find the weather affects a lot. 7:38:21 Traveling affects a lot. 7:38:24 I can't even go see my grandma. 7:38:27 She lives three hours away from me. Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:38:31 And it takes me a whole day to recover when I go see her. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:38:44 So just getting in the car, having to sit in the car, visit, get back in the car, sit in the car, go back in the house, taking a full day to recover from that. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:38:56 A whole day, yeah. 7:38:57 And I have to take some painkillers. 7:39:00 which makes me very sleepy, and I don't like doing that. Speaker 13 — Jasmine Comeau
7:39:07 I don't like being in bed. Speaker 2 — Jasmine Comeau
7:39:16 I want to show... Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:39:30 two photos of when you're healthy, and then I want to show a photo of one of your leg seizures. 7:39:36 But we haven't talked about the leg seizures. 7:39:40 Talk about that before we prepare the video. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:39:44 I started having the leg tremors about in November, so like two months after receiving my vaccine. 7:39:57 It happens mostly during night times. 7:40:01 I don't get as often as it was before. 7:40:04 Before it was almost every night. 7:40:07 My leg would shake a lot. 7:40:09 And it feels like electric shocks going up and down. Speaker 10 — Shawn Buckley
7:40:16 And it's very painful. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:40:18 And, you know, sometimes it would last up to, like, 7:40:25 half an hour, sometimes even an hour. 7:40:28 The longest I've had was two hours. 7:40:31 And I don't get them as much anymore because I found a method to like, I'm getting under control. 7:40:43 I find heat and I find heat 7:40:51 And drinking, like just calming myself down, like taking deep breath helps. 7:40:56 But when it first started, I didn't know any methods. 7:41:02 So it was lasting for a long time. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:41:08 So David, can you pull up the first photo? 7:41:11 And this is a photo before your vaccine. 7:41:15 And who's that with you? Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:41:17 My sister. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:41:18 Okay. 7:41:19 And you guys are making a birdhouse or something. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:41:22 My stepdad built it. 7:41:24 And we decided to decorate it and paint it. 7:41:29 And we put it in our backyard. Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:41:32 We were so happy about it. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:41:37 And then, David, can you move to the next photo? 7:41:40 And this is you kayaking. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:41:42 Four days before I took my second vaccine. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:41:46 This is four days before your second vaccine. Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:41:50 I was so happy. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
7:41:56 And then, David, can you play the video of the leg seizure? 7:42:36 And then David, do you want to play the video of Jasmine learning to walk again? Speaker 21 — Jasmine Comeau
7:42:49 I should clarify, is it a groaning that is horrible, or is it just a little? Speaker 3 — Jasmine Comeau
7:42:53 And are you 17 in this video? Speaker 16 — Jasmine Comeau
7:42:56 Yeah. Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:42:56 In that video, I believe that was in January of 2022, I got admitted Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:43:17 to the hospital for physio rehab because there's my neurologist, my family doctor, and my pediatric doctor sent multiple referrals to a physio rehab center in New Brunswick called St. Cassidy. 7:43:40 And every one of the referral got denied. 7:43:44 And their reason was they don't deal with vaccine injuries. 7:43:48 So I, my private physio told me, my private physiotherapist told me I need intense, intense physio rehab five days a week. 7:43:59 And I couldn't receive it as static acid. 7:44:03 So the doctor at Miramichi Regional Hospital admitted me for three weeks of intense physio. 7:44:13 And I'm 7:44:14 very grateful because I learned how to take a few steps and I learned how to do some stairs with my cane because my bedroom was upstairs. Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:44:26 My parents had to, we had to make our dining room into a hospital room for me. 7:44:34 We had a hospital bed. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:44:35 We had, um, I had a, um, I don't know what it's called, like a commode to, um, 7:44:44 to use when I need to use a bathroom, because my bathroom wasn't even accessible for my wheelchair. 7:44:53 So I'm very grateful that I spent a few weeks in Osborne to learn how to do stairs, because I miss my bed. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:45:04 Now, you're still in high school when this happens, and you end up, obviously, that's disrupted. 7:45:11 Can you tell us how you finished high school and what that experience was like? Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:45:17 I actually failed my grade 12. 7:45:21 And that was my main reason why I took the back seat. 7:45:26 Was to just be able to join events, like school events with my friends, go to prom with them, graduate with them. 7:45:41 And due to having doctor's appointment and just being in a lot of pain, I couldn't even go to school full days. 7:45:53 I was going to school half days. 7:45:58 Due to missing a lot of assignments because of doctor's appointment and I couldn't be in school full days, 7:46:10 I filled my grade 12 years and I spent it mostly alone in the library because my classroom were not wheelchair accessible. 7:46:22 So I had to learn my own courses in the library by myself. Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:46:31 That was my last year of high school in the library all by myself. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
7:46:56 You did finish. Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:46:57 I did. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:46:59 And then you went on to college. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:47:02 I went to college. 7:47:07 I just finished a two-year program. 7:47:13 I just finished a two-year program in social service community worker because I really want to advocate for others. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:47:34 Did you miss a lot of days because you had appointments and sometimes you're just in too much pain to go? Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:47:41 College was really hard because 7:47:43 Because, like you said, I've been in a lot of pain. 7:47:49 And I'm very grateful. 7:47:51 My teachers were very understanding. 7:47:54 They allowed me to do my schoolwork at home on days where I couldn't make it to school. Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:48:02 And it was really hard, but I did it. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:48:06 Thank you. 7:48:13 For teenagers, their social life is usually the most important thing. 7:48:18 Can you share with us how this affected your social life and friendships? Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:48:24 I lost many friends because of this. 7:48:28 One of my friends told me she didn't know how to talk to me after being in a wheelchair. 7:48:37 I remember it. Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:48:43 High school, I was, you know, going down the hallway, and, like, we'd hear people laughing at me. 7:48:54 There goes the wheelchair girl. 7:49:04 I've been laughed at, and I've lost many friends. 7:49:14 It's been very hard to meet people and make friends. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:49:24 My sister has been, I've been mostly hanging out with my sister and her friends. 7:49:32 I don't really have any friends. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
7:49:44 You applied to the Vaccine Injury Support Program. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:49:47 Can you share with us what happened? Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:49:49 I applied it soon after I got injured. 7:49:55 I don't remember what day. 7:50:00 It's been a nightmare. 7:50:04 I've had 7:50:11 I don't remember. 7:50:12 I've lost count of how many case managers I've had. Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:50:18 I've had over six. 7:50:21 And it's so hard to reach out to them. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:50:29 I find it was really hard. 7:50:32 I've asked my mom to help me with the vaccine support program because it was very hard for me. 7:50:41 And they've asked for my medical records three times. 7:50:49 We've had to go to the hospital, like St. John Hospital and Ramsey Hospital, three different times to send my medical records to them. 7:51:01 And that was, we had to pay out of our money to have it shipped to the Vaccine Injury Support Program. Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:51:11 And then on February 2024, my mom came to me and told me I got declined. 7:51:29 She showed me the letter and it was due to lack of evidence and also due to Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:51:41 multiple of diagnosis because my doctors didn't know my doctors doesn't know how to help me so they've put depression as a diagnose they put anxiety as a diagnose they put um functional um like conversion disorder as a diagnose um Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:52:08 And I remember telling my mom that I don't want to live anymore. 7:52:28 And she was like, she told me no, we're going to appeal for it, we're going to keep fighting. 7:52:37 She told me I have so much to achieve and I'm so glad I have her. 7:52:51 It's been two years and I'm still waiting. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:52:57 We appealed two years ago and I'm still waiting for a new caseworker. 7:53:01 And I got asked to make a new account. 7:53:06 with the new program, the vaccine impact program. Speaker 13 — Jasmine Comeau
7:53:28 Jasmine, thanks for coming. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
7:53:33 I don't know how you see yourself, but I see you as a leader. 7:53:40 I see a very supportive family, right? 7:53:45 Supportive sister, right? 7:53:48 I see one tough cookie that's been through some stuff, right? 7:53:54 But is keeping fighting. 7:53:58 So you're taking an incredible step to be here today. 7:54:02 Put yourself out there. 7:54:05 But you know what you are. 7:54:06 You're an example now to others, to other young people. 7:54:10 You know, it's a shame that anything has happened, any of the witnesses here today, and especially our young people. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:54:17 And that's what I've been trying to do is spread more awareness for the kids who got injured. 7:54:24 You know, we heard this morning, Sean Hartman died when he was very young. Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:54:34 He was my age. 7:54:36 That could have been me. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:54:41 And that's what I've been trying to do is just spread more awareness about what the kids have been going through. 7:54:47 You know, school was very pressured. 7:54:52 I remember teachers just keep, they would ask us in class who got their vaccine and who haven't. 7:55:02 My school also had a vaccine clinic in the cafeteria. Speaker 7 — Jasmine Comeau
7:55:06 And school felt 7:55:12 It felt like a prison for me. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:55:15 And it's what I've been trying to do is just talk more about it. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
7:55:19 Well, we really feel that these four days is, we really hope and pray it's going to encourage more people to talk publicly about this, right? 7:55:30 We feel like the ceiling's been shattered and we should all be able to talk about our experiences and encourage other people to do it and 7:55:40 It's no fault of any of the people in here. 7:55:44 You were let down by the system. 7:55:45 You were let down by politicians. 7:55:48 You were let down by the medical community. 7:55:51 But you're here for a reason. 7:55:54 And so I just want to encourage you, as you lean on your family, to find that strength so that you can encourage other young people that may be going through the same thing. 7:56:08 So thank you so much for being here. Speaker 10 — Jasmine Comeau
7:56:10 Thank you for listening to me, Dean. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
7:56:13 And we wish you safe travels. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
7:56:33 So, Jasmine is our last witness. 7:56:38 Chairperson is allowing me to give some closing comments and then the chair is going to give some closing comments. 7:56:46 And I need to thank some people for enabling this inquiry to happen. 7:56:57 And the first person I need to thank is I need to thank our God. 7:57:02 This inquiry has a really unusual start 7:57:08 My wife, Teresa, and I were, we traveled to Ottawa last year on a different venture. 7:57:16 And we had an event on Parliament Hill on October 23rd. 7:57:22 And a mutual friend who is in the gallery said, oh, you guys need to stay and meet with MP Dean Allison. 7:57:30 And so we stayed till Monday and we met with MP Dean Allison, Teresa and I. 7:57:38 And, you know, we all got along well and had a nice visit. 7:57:43 It was just an initial thing. 7:57:45 And MP Allison had said, you know, I've been wanting to hold an inquiry just to listen to vaccine injured Canadians. 7:57:57 Nothing more than that, just listen. 7:57:59 And it was interesting because he would say things like, why can't I listen to Canadians? 7:58:08 What's wrong with listening to Canadians? 7:58:10 Which is telegraphing that he doesn't feel that it's possible politically for him to do that. 7:58:17 And Teresa and I, who have some experience in putting things like this on, had said, well, if you decide to do that, then we may be willing to help you. 7:58:30 Because it's a big commitment, as all the volunteers know, to put something like this on. 7:58:37 So that was that. 7:58:38 We parted ways. 7:58:40 And a couple of months later, the Holy Spirit was prompting Teresa to contact Dean and say, hey, do you want to do this? 7:58:48 Do you want to do this? 7:58:49 And so we started having conversations. 7:58:52 And in fact, you know, when I, a person that I've come to really appreciate, you know, we're on a Zoom call and just thought this was a terrible idea, right? 7:59:02 And 7:59:04 You know, but Dean was kind of excited about it, but we got to this point where we're on a call with Dean and Teresa and I, and MP Allison is explaining really why this can't happen, why we can't have this inquiry. 7:59:19 And so I stopped him and I just asked, well, will you go and pray about it? 7:59:24 Because the real issue isn't why we can't do this. 7:59:30 The real issue is this, are we supposed to be doing this? 7:59:33 Is this... 7:59:34 Is this what we're supposed to be doing? 7:59:37 And so Theresa and I thought that it was finished, that there was going to be no inquiry. 7:59:43 And then about 10 days later, we're coming, driving back to Alberta from BC and Dean contacts us and says, no, I think I'm supposed to do this regardless of the cost. 7:59:56 You see, you know, when you make a decision like this, you don't know what will follow. 8:00:00 How is his caucus going to respond? 8:00:02 Is he going to be kicked out of the party? 8:00:04 it was very reasonable for him to assume that the mainstream media would try to make him look like a monkey. 8:00:11 And even a year or two ago, that would have happened and it would have succeeded. 8:00:17 And then Teresa and I had to pray for a week and we had to meet with Dean's wife too. 8:00:23 She had to be on board and the four of us met a week later and just decided, no, we're supposed to do this. 8:00:30 Now, this is probably around May 7th, May 8th. 8:00:35 And we had to do this before Parliament returned or we wouldn't get a committee room. 8:00:41 And then you kind of got to back up. 8:00:43 So, okay, so we're this we. 8:00:46 And, well, okay, you've got to have a couple of press conferences. 8:00:48 People have to learn you exist even to apply. 8:00:52 And then you've got to organize. 8:00:54 So we picked June 4th to announce at a press conference in Parliament Hill. 8:01:01 So less than a month. 8:01:04 We had to start organizing volunteers. 8:01:06 We had to create a legal structure to collect and disperse funds. 8:01:11 We had to create a website. 8:01:13 I think the French website was probably finished about 4 a.m. the morning we held the press conference. 8:01:20 And we held the press conference. 8:01:21 And we don't know how the world's going to react. 8:01:23 But it absolutely resonated every step of the way God's gone before us in this. 8:01:29 Dean made a couple of posts after the press conference on Facebook 8:01:34 And at 24 hours had over a million views. 8:01:38 And it's just skyrocketed with every press conference. 8:01:42 This just started to resonate. 8:01:44 And I don't know where we are now, but I mean, I was told like we were seventh in the world, I think, trending globally a couple of days ago. 8:01:52 Like it's just been absolutely amazing. 8:01:55 And I'll say without meaningful mainstream media coverage, because there has been some, even if it's been negative. 8:02:04 Some's been positive and some has been negative, but for the first time, the issue of COVID-19 vaccine injury has been raised. 8:02:15 And so I'd just like to acknowledge the person first. 8:02:18 Thank my Lord that this happened because I fully believe that what we've all experienced today and yesterday and the day before and the day before is his presence. 8:02:30 I'd like to thank my wife, Teresa, who's 8:02:32 The main organizer, she's the only person in the world I know that could pull this off in such short time. 8:02:41 I'm in front of the camera and I mean, obviously I work hard to interview witnesses and prep them and help with the organization, but I'm a small part compared to her. 8:02:52 There are a large number of volunteers and I don't have time. 8:02:57 to thank them all but some some that that just came to mind this morning when i was quickly trying to decide what to say i and so if i miss you on on this list if you why did you miss me i'm sorry it's just you know i just jotted this down this morning so i'd like to thank rita and susan the two volunteers that sorted all the witnesses and um 8:03:23 Too often at meetings, one of them would just weep the whole meeting. 8:03:27 Learn not to ask how you're doing. 8:03:30 Because then the rest of the meeting, it'd just be weeping. 8:03:32 And the reason is, is we've experienced it here. 8:03:36 We've seen these people speak and we've all wept. 8:03:40 Can you imagine going through 1,400 of these stories? 8:03:45 I think that they have a long journey ahead of them. 8:03:53 Eric and Jason, Bonnie, David, Sherry, Miriam, Tracy, our Ottawa volunteer, Christine, and Peter. 8:04:06 Those are the ones that came to mind. 8:04:09 I know there's more, and forgive me for missing you. 8:04:12 This is September 11th. 8:04:16 It's kind of interesting because it's a day, you know, back the original September 11th. 8:04:22 most of us remember where we were. 8:04:25 I was eating breakfast at the Overlander Hotel in Williams Lake, British Columbia, rough little town in Northern BC because I had court that morning. 8:04:38 And the waitress comes up to me and hands me a phone and the person on the other end of the phone said, you have to get to a TV right now. 8:04:47 So I go up and I watched the plane 8:04:50 flying to the second tower. 8:04:54 And I think the first tower fell before I had to go to court. 8:04:57 And as I'm watching this, I knew that my world had changed. 8:05:06 I didn't know how it had changed, but I just had this awareness that things are now different going forward, that they're no longer the same. 8:05:15 And what I came to experience 8:05:19 from that day forward, was the public being managed in a new way with fear. 8:05:24 It had been a weapon against us for a long time, but it went up a few degrees. 8:05:33 The dial got turned up. 8:05:34 The fear dial got turned up. 8:05:35 And since then, I've watched my country and the United States and the rest of the world being managed with fear. 8:05:45 Here we are a quarter of a century later. 8:05:47 It's hard to believe, isn't it? 8:05:50 25 years later, that we're sitting here after four days of the Allison inquiry. 8:05:59 And again, I feel like my world has changed. 8:06:05 I feel that something's changed here over this last four days. 8:06:10 And what I think has changed is, is that the public is starting to reject being managed by fear. 8:06:19 It's okay for us to talk. 8:06:22 That it's okay for us to cast off this fear and division. 8:06:26 I really feel that God has done something here. 8:06:31 We have forgotten that we are storytellers, every single one of us. 8:06:38 It's the condition of being human. 8:06:40 We have this personal experience and we have to share our lives with others. 8:06:48 You know, it's why we have friendships. 8:06:50 Remember when you're teenagers and those close friendships and all you just wanted to do is hang out and talk. 8:06:58 You know, and we just want to be connected to other people. 8:07:02 We want to share our stories. 8:07:04 And there's really nothing more cruel and nothing more hateful than excluding people so that they cannot share their stories with us. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
8:07:17 which is what we've done. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
8:07:20 And, you know, we, we are a nation of storytellers. 8:07:24 We used to be so exceptionally friendly and helpful as I was just very quickly. 8:07:32 It was, I was being told what to share. 8:07:34 And I became mindful of my maternal great grandparents, like both my father's side came from Ireland and homesteaded in Saskatchewan. 8:07:48 sod house the whole thing and same on my mother's side um came from austrian hungary empire they're ukrainians and uh in saskatchewan there's this teeny i can't even call it a town anymore called krider but the it's which is just a a combination of a part of two names but my great grandfather was the dor and krider he was theodore lucic and um back then 8:08:18 we had community and we had family you know your barn burned down it really wasn't a worry because you know three weeks later the community will have gotten together and gotten the lumber and spent all day saturday and sunday building your barn and we shared stories and we took care of each other and you know i think it was dr mccullough that was talking about i mean part of the problem is is 8:08:49 the vaccine injured have to start taking responsibility for themselves. 8:08:55 But I think, and that's what we're doing here, is MP Allison has gotten the citizens together to organize a hearing themselves. 8:09:08 And some people say, well, why didn't government do it? 8:09:11 Would you really trust government to do it? 8:09:14 And it then kind of begs the question, why should government do it? 8:09:17 Why shouldn't citizens take the lead? 8:09:22 So why shouldn't citizens take the lead? 8:09:27 Why shouldn't we be responsible for ourselves? 8:09:30 Why should we trust public health authorities? 8:09:32 Why shouldn't we insist on informed consent? 8:09:36 If we're going to make sure that we are AEMs, 8:09:42 a nation of storytellers again. 8:09:46 It's going to fall on our shoulders. 8:09:50 Michael McNair touched me when he spoke on day two. 8:09:56 For those of you who weren't here, he's a former armed forces army. 8:10:04 And he was sharing his journey with us. 8:10:07 And, you know, if you had a transcript, 8:10:09 You didn't see his video and you had a transcript. 8:10:12 You would see him telling a story with words that were coherent and an accurate report of his journey. 8:10:22 And you would miss his entire testimony because it wasn't what he said. 8:10:30 It was how he said it. 8:10:33 He was tense. 8:10:36 He was loud. 8:10:38 It was almost like he was gritting his teeth and having to force the words out. 8:10:43 And it was one of the most precious testimonies and experiences I've ever had the honor of being a part of, because we all saw moral injury. 8:10:56 So we saw it, we felt it, we breathed it, we experienced it. 8:11:03 But you know what he said, loudly, 8:11:07 And through his teeth. 8:11:11 Is we are all in this together. 8:11:13 Do you remember him yelling that? 8:11:16 We're all in this together. Speaker 2 — Shawn Buckley
8:11:20 So let us all be in this together. 8:11:27 We're the ones that change the world. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
8:11:30 We're the ones that make a difference. 8:11:31 A small group of people, these podcasters along the wall, this small number of podcasters have set the world on fire over the last four days. 8:11:42 How is it possible that in this small committee room, we became the seventh largest trending thing on the internet in the world? 8:11:53 Because we got together and these brave witnesses took the stand 8:12:00 at great personal and mental cost and some financial cost to be here so that we could once again be a nation of storytellers. 8:12:13 And that's what the Allison Inquiry was always meant to be from the beginning, just listening. Speaker 13 — Shawn Buckley
8:12:22 And so my closing words are, 8:12:30 Let's listen. Speaker 1 — Shawn Buckley
8:12:31 Thank you, Sean. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
8:12:39 I do want to thank a few people before I end this with closing remarks. 8:12:45 We have a great group of people on the Hill that work behind the scenes normally. 8:12:51 That was volunteers here, and I'll thank the volunteers in a second, but we still have interpreters that were here all week. 8:12:57 Thank you. 8:12:58 so much they do they do a great job and they've been here uh you know for me 30 to 5 every day and uh thank you very much i do want to thank all the people here in the room and those that are listening at home we'll go ahead i forgot to thank mp dean ellison so Speaker 5 — MP Dean Allison
8:13:28 But I know, I just, I'm not safe. Speaker 3 — Shawn Buckley
8:13:31 He has such love for people, and he truly just wanted to listen. 8:13:38 And he didn't know where this would go. 8:13:40 He didn't know that, you know, that everyone would get behind him and defend him online and all of this. 8:13:47 But he just had the heart to listen. 8:13:48 I thank you, Dean. Speaker 1 — MP Dean Allison
8:13:51 So now I have to thank you. 8:13:52 No, I'm just teasing. 8:13:53 I was going to thank him anyways, okay? 8:13:54 It was in my notes. 8:13:56 You know, so listen, I do thank everyone in the room and, you know, the witnesses that took great pain. 8:14:01 Like I said, I can't say it enough. 8:14:02 You know, part of my job is to listen to people. 8:14:06 That's what I do in my office. 8:14:08 I listen to, you know, 10 or 12 people, whoever comes in, or they get a half an hour, and they tell me their stories. 8:14:14 And every one of their stories to that person is the most important story that they could be. 8:14:19 So if I can listen to people's stories privately, why can't we listen to people's stories publicly, right? 8:14:27 So that is really what this is about. 8:14:31 So to the witnesses, thank you. 8:14:33 Thank you for your stories. 8:14:34 To the expert witnesses for helping us, you know, give a little context, right? 8:14:39 We talked about this. 8:14:40 I said we have to have a little context of what's going on because if we don't have any context, then people won't know why people are hurt. 8:14:49 why they're injured. 8:14:50 And so to the witnesses, to the expert witnesses, thank you. 8:14:54 To the MPs that took time to come out, you know, this schedule was really around Sean and mine's schedule, right? 8:15:01 I mean, we picked a date that would work based on the fact I got caucus next week in BC. 8:15:06 We're going back to parliament the week after. 8:15:08 We can't get a room. 8:15:10 More than likely, we won't be able to get a room because there'll be committees back in these rooms in just two or three short weeks. 8:15:16 So I do want to, I do want to, 8:15:19 Mention that I'm grateful for the MPs that have come out. 8:15:22 I had a number of my colleagues reach out to me and say, Dean, we are so grateful for what you're doing. 8:15:27 We just can't make it. 8:15:28 Our schedules are jammed. 8:15:28 Like I said, everyone in Parliament, I tell people this all the time. 8:15:32 There's 343 members of Parliament. 8:15:35 There are 25 different committees. 8:15:36 Everyone's got a special something they work on. 8:15:41 And so, you know, why can't my special something be you guys? 8:15:44 Like, why could not that be the case? 8:15:47 And so that was really sort of the genesis behind having that conversation. 8:15:52 So I need to thank my wife, who's been very supportive. 8:15:55 She's been here helping out this week. 8:15:57 I want to thank Phil for my office. 8:15:59 Phil has helped coordinate everything from the parliamentary back end of stuff. 8:16:05 So I need to thank all those people. 8:16:06 So I do want to say a few words just as we close, though. 8:16:10 I really feel like the silence has been broken, right? 8:16:13 We wanted to give people permission to speak publicly. 8:16:18 And the only way we can do that is by starting to speak publicly. 8:16:23 I want to thank the independent media afterwards, but for a large part of these stories. 8:16:28 All right. 8:16:28 So mainstream is not telling our stories. 8:16:30 Guess what? 8:16:31 As I look around the room, there isn't one independent media that hasn't shared people's stories. 8:16:37 Thank you. 8:16:38 Thank you for what you do, because how else do we get it out? 8:16:41 We didn't get it out any other way. 8:16:43 And so I really believe that we can't go back to the way that things have been the last five years. 8:16:47 We can't go back to people suffering in silence because they're afraid or they won't be believed. 8:16:53 I think we gave enough context, whether people listen to it or not today, over the last four days to indicate why people shouldn't have to suffer in silence and how we've gotten to this place. 8:17:04 And Sean talked about it like that again. 8:17:06 But, you know, we should not accept the fact when people want to ridicule or dismiss you. 8:17:12 or say it's all in your head. 8:17:13 I mean, how many times do we hear witnesses say, they say it's in my head? 8:17:16 Oh man, I don't want to hear that. 8:17:20 That's very offensive to hear. 8:17:22 So that's what we've done, right? 8:17:23 We've done over the last four days, we've listened to people. 8:17:26 We've heard how people's health has changed dramatically and forever. 8:17:31 We've heard about the families and the support that they offer and how their families have been changed forever. 8:17:36 We've talked about, you know, people searching for answers. 8:17:39 We heard that many times, right? 8:17:40 Like, 8:17:41 I'm just trying to figure out what's going on. 8:17:43 So no matter what people think about COVID or the vaccines or public policy, compassion should never be controversial, right? 8:17:54 That should never be controversial. 8:17:55 So when some doctor online starts chirping us, 8:18:01 We can go back hard and say, like, you're not going to chirp us because we're talking about people and how they feel. 8:18:06 We're not talking about anything other than the fact that these individuals have been hurt and been injured. 8:18:12 And guess what? 8:18:13 It's the government that said you've been injured. 8:18:15 They've got a program. 8:18:17 Hasn't been run well, we heard, over the last four days. 8:18:20 But we knew that coming into this. 8:18:22 So where do we go from here? 8:18:24 First of all, I think we've got to keep talking. 8:18:26 We have shattered the ceiling of silence. 8:18:30 And so we need to encourage more, not private, hey, let's do private conversations. 8:18:35 We got to encourage more public discussion, right? 8:18:38 We can't shy away from that. 8:18:39 We can't back that. 8:18:41 And, you know, when our colleagues are mocked online or they're dismissed or unfairly characterized, I expect everybody to run to their defense and to support them. 8:18:52 When an MP does something good, I expect people to say, thank you, online, whatever, because sometimes it takes a little bit of a little bit of I don't even say guts. 8:19:02 When people don't understand, sometimes it's hard to know how to interact. 8:19:07 When you think about going to a funeral of a loved one that's passed and you don't know what to say and you don't know if you should be there and you don't know if they'll accept you for being. 8:19:15 That's kind of like what this is for people that don't understand the community. 8:19:19 So when people reach out, we need to encourage them. 8:19:21 We need to thank them. 8:19:23 It also means asking questions. 8:19:25 We can't stop asking questions. 8:19:27 That was said by almost every expert witness. 8:19:29 We have got to keep asking questions. 8:19:31 We've got to ask why. 8:19:32 We've got to ask how. 8:19:33 We've got to figure out where the evidence is, and we've got to keep going that. 8:19:36 So we also need to encourage legislators to step up, right? 8:19:41 And so I think we need to continue to, you know, to 8:19:44 to advocate on behalf of Canadians who are sick and injured and vulnerable, right? 8:19:48 And if we can do that for every other category, cancer, dementia, diabetes, we sure as heck can do that for those that are vaccine injured, right? 8:19:59 I think a lot of it is just people are ignorant. 8:20:01 I don't mean ignorant rude. 8:20:02 I mean ignorant. 8:20:02 They just don't understand what's happened. 8:20:05 And if you spend any time talking to you, as I have over the years, not this many at this amount of time, but you would understand what it is. 8:20:14 I also believe that it shouldn't be politically inconvenient to people, right? 8:20:18 So we need to challenge governments to be more accountable. 8:20:22 We need to keep pushing for better access to care. 8:20:26 We need to push for resources. 8:20:27 Dr. McCullough, the doctor, said it today. 8:20:29 We've got to encourage more resources for that dialogue and treatment. 8:20:34 We need transparent surveillance of reporting of adverse events, manned transport. 8:20:39 Parency and accountability are fundamental. 8:20:41 There's no reason why citizens cannot ask that of government regularly, consistently, all the time. 8:20:49 And I think that every Canadian has the right to know. 8:20:52 What's the evidence? 8:20:53 What's the limitations of the evidence? 8:20:56 What's changed as new evidence has emerged? 8:20:59 Dr. McCullough talked about today of studies that he did years ago or what he knew years ago and new evidence has come out to support that. 8:21:08 And because we're talking about 2019 or 2020 evidence, that's not acceptable. 8:21:15 And that's where we need to come in in terms of education and letting people know where they're at. 8:21:20 So I don't think people should ever think that questions are dangerous. 8:21:24 I think they should just be realized that it's part of this democratic process that we're all a part of. 8:21:30 We should be able to ask difficult questions of Health Canada. 8:21:32 How is it funded? 8:21:34 We heard some conversations today that Big Pharma is involved. 8:21:37 How are decisions made? 8:21:38 What safeguards exist against conflicts of interest? 8:21:41 How do adverse events are investigated? 8:21:44 Whether Canadians have sufficient access to the underlying evidence to make regulatory decisions? 8:21:49 These are all questions that were raised during this inquiry. 8:21:53 So governments, and I think we need to always have that underlying discussion around censorship. 8:22:00 We must continue to resist censorship and attempts to determine which voices of Canadians are permitted to hear, right? 8:22:07 Governments should never decide which journalists are legitimate based on whether the reporting is convenient to those in power. 8:22:15 And just in the last day, we're talking about a registry, right? 8:22:19 You guys all read that stuff. 8:22:21 Come on, give me a break. 8:22:23 You know, give me a break. 8:22:25 And that's why I do want to recognize independent journalists again and media organizations that are willing to listen, ask questions, and give people an opportunity to tell their stories. 8:22:34 You know, we're just doing some back of the napkin ideas. 8:22:40 And more analysis will happen in the coming days because that's how we're going to start to tell part of our story. 8:22:45 You know, I've been looking and trying to keep track on X in terms of the posts. 8:22:49 And new categories pop in and they pop out. 8:22:52 And we were looking at one from two days ago. 8:22:55 The best I can tell, there's probably been over 300,000 posts. 8:22:59 Think about that. 8:23:00 Over 300,000 posts that has happened just in the last four days on X. 8:23:07 That doesn't include, that's not views. 8:23:09 That's just posts. 8:23:10 Think about that. 8:23:11 And that is because of people in the room. 8:23:13 That is because of people telling their stories. 8:23:15 That is because of people that aren't here that are telling the stories as well. 8:23:19 And I think that's pretty impressive. 8:23:20 We just talked about some of the numbers as well, as you look at that. 8:23:25 And those numbers don't include Facebook, Instagram, or any kind of the streaming. 8:23:29 We're looking at that. 8:23:30 There's a possibility that we've got 10 to 12 million views through streaming just these few days. 8:23:37 And then on Facebook, Instagram, and stuff like that. 8:23:39 I can tell you from my own social media, just in the last week, we got almost 9 million views on 8:23:45 Facebook and Instagram and X and those kinds of things. 8:23:49 We got to keep pushing that out. 8:23:50 We have got to be able to share, clip, post, tell people and tell people to tell people, right? 8:24:00 This is what we got to do. 8:24:02 We got to share this information because sometimes it's not ignorance. 8:24:05 Once again, sometimes it's a lack of knowledge. 8:24:08 And we are the educators in the room. 8:24:10 It is your lived experience. 8:24:11 It's your life experience. 8:24:13 And do not let them take that away from you, that you should not be allowed to share it. 8:24:17 It is your experience. 8:24:18 And people need to understand. 8:24:20 And so they're not afraid. 8:24:22 And so as we look at that, and we'll do a better debrief on the numbers. 8:24:26 As I look at that, you know, that's somewhere over 20 million views. 8:24:30 Think about that. 8:24:31 First press conference, maybe we had a million plus views just on Facebook. 8:24:35 I'm not talking about streaming. 8:24:36 I'm not talking all this stuff. 8:24:37 This is an awareness tool, right? 8:24:39 But today, it could be north of 20 million. 8:24:43 That's pretty good, ladies and gentlemen. 8:24:45 It's a very, very good job. 8:24:46 And I want to give a round of applause for the independent media in the room, guys. 8:24:50 Yes, absolutely. 8:24:50 Absolutely. 8:24:57 So why can't we drive that? 8:24:59 Why can't we drive that to 20, 50 to 100 million views, right? 8:25:02 As we continue to reshare people's stories. 8:25:06 You know, a free society requires journalists to ask uncomfortable questions. 8:25:10 That's what I see happening. 8:25:12 But responsibility does not rest with the politicians or doctors or journalists. 8:25:16 It rests with the citizens as well. 8:25:18 So I think now more than ever, Canadians need to hear and help people tell their stories. 8:25:23 So listen to them. 8:25:25 and share their experiences. 8:25:27 Ask questions, demand evidence, and insist that our institutions treat every Canadian with dignity. 8:25:33 This inquiry was never intended to be the final word. 8:25:37 It was intended to begin a conversation that should have begun years ago. 8:25:42 And some of you told me that. 8:25:44 We should have started this ages ago. 8:25:46 But there still needs to be a serious examination of how the pandemic was handled. 8:25:50 what governments got right, what they got wrong, what evidence decisions were based upon, what harms occurred and what must be done differently in the future. 8:25:58 This examination should not be about revenge. 8:26:02 It should be about accountability, learning and ensuring that mistakes are not repeated. 8:26:08 Most importantly, we need to continue talking about these experiences because silence does not help people find answers. 8:26:17 Conversations lead to questions. 8:26:19 Questions lead to investigation. 8:26:22 And investigation leads to evidence. 8:26:25 And evidence can lead to a better treatment, better policy, and hopefully help for people who desperately need it. 8:26:33 To everyone who testified during this inquiry, thank you for your courage. 8:26:38 To everyone who applied to testify, but to whom we could not hear you during these four days, your story is 8:26:46 still matters. 8:26:48 To the families who stood beside someone who is suffering, thank you. 8:26:52 And to the Canadians watching who have been afraid to speak about what happened to them, you have permission to speak. 8:27:00 The silence has been broken. 8:27:03 Our responsibility now is to make sure it never is imposed again. 8:27:07 This inquiry may be ending today, but our work is not. 8:27:12 We are not done. 8:27:12 There is more work to do. 8:27:15 There are more questions to ask. 8:27:17 There are more stories to hear. 8:27:20 And there are Canadians who still need our help. 8:27:22 So we're going to keep listening. 8:27:25 We're going to keep asking questions. 8:27:27 We'll keep seeking answers. 8:27:30 And we will keep standing with those who have asked for far too long simply to be heard. Speaker 13 — MP Dean Allison
8:27:36 Thank you.